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OfflineTheFish
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Bulk substrate spawning attempts.
    #5896597 - 07/25/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'll just throw my situation out there looking for a solution/opinion.

I've attempted spawning to manure on two seperate occasions. Each spawn was 3 quarts to 5lbs in individual containers. 4 of these containers were made on both occasions and I basically crumbled my cakes into individual grains (I'm using rye), and intermixed it evenly with the manure. I then lightly covered these with foil and poked holes for air exchange.

I placed my first four into my incubator and three days later I had signs of green mold and some areas of cobweb on the surface. This was my first attempt at pasturizing manure, and I deemed it to be too wet to begin with. I decided to attempt using tenn stud in the same situation with the same spawn rate, except this time, I didn't place them into the incubator. After 5-7 days, I had minor signs of growth, but little to none after a few days. I figured that I may have birthed my cakes slightly too early, hence the poor progress.

I find myself back around again, getting ready to spawn well developed cakes with the same ratio as before into more of mike's poo.

Should I use the incubator to promote growth, or can that easily introduce contams in such an enclosed area? I like to use slightly more spawn to promote quick colonization, but can there really be "too much spawn"? I'm thinking about using 10lbs and spawning half of it outback where I live, so would I just dig a hole, apply a soaker hose, spawn poo and rye and cover with moist verm?

Any opinions are welcome and appreciated. I now understand how much failure it may take to successfully find my hand at this.


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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: TheFish]
    #5896619 - 07/25/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No incubator, hpoo creates its own heat. On average it's 10 degrees warmer than the room it's in.

So if your incubator was at 84 degrees, your hpoo was at 94, etc etc


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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: TheFish]
    #5896621 - 07/25/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Any opinions are welcome and appreciated.

Touch not that which is unclean, wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy. Be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord.

Make thyself clean for nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of God.

e.g. Don't use shit.


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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: TheFish]
    #5896666 - 07/25/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Please explain "rye cakes"?



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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5897557 - 07/25/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Rye cakes i.e. colonized grains.

Any one else?


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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: TheFish]
    #5897831 - 07/25/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When you say "cakes" it sounds like you're using PF tek with rye flour in place of BRF.  So you're using colonized whole rye berries, right?

When you mix the spawn into the poo, make sure to turn off the air conditioner and fans or whatever else is in the area and wait 10 or 15 minutes.  Then spray Oust in the air and wait 5 or 10 minutes.

Put on a hat (to cover your hair) and face mask, and then only breathe through your nose while you're working.  Wipe down the containers you're using with alcohol and empty all your colonized rye (except for about a pint) into a big ziplock bag, then close the bag and break up the rye.

Mix the spawn into the poo and pour the finished product into the casing tray.  Then pour your remaining pint of colonized rye that I mentioned earlier into the ziplock, break it up, and pour it on top of the casing tray.  It doesn't have to cover it all like a blanket, it just needs to be kind of spread around so it's not all in one place.  It just helps the top colonize first thus helping to create a bit of a contam barrier.

Wipe down the foil with alcohol and then put it over the container and poke holes in the foil.  (I like to cover the foil with a clean paper towel to keep dust off of it.)  Then put the container in a dark place, preferably a closet, cabinet, or something with little air movement.

BTW, I like to have a spray bottle full of alcohol so it's easier/quicker to cover things in alcohol and then wipe them down.  You might want to give your hands a few sprays and rub them together to work the alcohol in their well.  The "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" spray bottles work really nicely.  They're small and they spray a very fine mist.

When pasteurizing your poo, it only needs to get up to 150 degrees for 1 to 2 hours inside (if using the styrofoam cooler method, get the water up to 170 or 175 MAX before pouring it in there).  This kills off less of the good stuff, than get the poo to 160 to 175 inside.  Oh yeah, and it's better to have the finished (pasteurized) poo a bit too dry than a bit too wet.

You also might want to try a monotub next time (with the same cleanliness procedure above) instead of a casing tray(s); they're less work, less difficult, and harder to screw up than the trays IMO. :thumbup:


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Re: Bulk substrate spawning attempts. [Re: TheFish]
    #5897886 - 07/25/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I like to use a bowler hat, like Alex from "A Clockwork Orange" BTW.  It makes me feel more sophisticated.  Oh, and you might want to put on some music before you begin working; I find that it helps me concentrate and makes the process less stressful.

(I got the music tip from WIZOLZ.  He meant it as a joke, but I found that it really helps.) :grin:


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