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chems in substrate?
    #5895578 - 07/24/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was reading this post http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5561260/an/0/page/0 and I got to thinking about how other chems (drugs rather than straight tryptamine) would react if added to the substrate-- possibly 100mgs of one of the 2c-Xs or tma6? If I try this (if noone has any idea I'll prolly go for it) do you think theres a chance it would react badly and kill the spores or create poisonous shrooms? or maybe I should use a tryptamine like miprocin (if it would be more likely to get sucked into the shrooms)

thoughts?


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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: prurigro]
    #5895602 - 07/24/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do believe that mushrooms process most chemicals turning them into what they need, and getting rid of what they dont.

There's two analogies I can come up with, both are applicable.

1) a man smokes 3 bowls, gets high, then sweats/pisses the toxins out.

2) a man eats a toddler who took 30 doses of acid 30 days ago, doesn't get high.

In the first scenario, the man is the mycellium

in the second scenario, the toddler is matured mushroom.


I'm just blowing smoke and mirrors out of my asshole, but both of those make sense to me... the life cycle of a mushroom is so short that I can't imagine any sort of toxin or drug staying in it's system long enough it to still be there when the mushroom is matured... they probably metabolize things rather quickly.


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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5895649 - 07/24/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

apparently MiPT and DiPT can be added to the substrate to create miprocin or iprocin (4-ho-mipt or 4-ho-dipt) in the mushrooms- this is according to a friend of mine whose pretty read up in this sort of thing- I dont think the mushrooms would metabolize the chems in either case, but I guess I could ask if people think they'd either a) take it up at all (more complicated chemicals), b) just have both the chem in question and psilocybin/psilocin in the mushrooms, or c) create some chemical hybrid like the MiPT and DiPT experiments


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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5895661 - 07/24/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's all bogus. Nobody has shown even the slightest increase in potency from adding anything to a substrate. I have no problems with research and applaud all efforts, but they should not be stating such things as triptamines or anything else increase potency when the evidence shows otherwise. What is bound to happen is somebody will come up with something usefull and nobody will believe it because of all the previous false hype.
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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5896005 - 07/24/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

can i see the proof where it dosnt work?link?


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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5896018 - 07/24/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if you need proof other than doing it and feeling a noticable difference, than why would it matter in the first place? The consensus is, if adding anything to a substrate would increase potency, it would be SO minute, that it would be impossible for a person to notice the difference.

So here's my recommendation for increasing potency of mushrooms or making them better...

USE A MASTER CULTURE.


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Re: chems in substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5896737 - 07/25/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Nobody has shown even the slightest increase in potency from adding anything to a substrate.

The relationship of carbon and nitrogen nutrition of Psilocybe baeocystis to the production of psilocybin and its analogs.
Lloydia. 1969 Mar;32(1):66-71.
Leung AY, Paul AG.

A Successful Dream: Increasing the Potency of P. Cubensis

page 280 in TIHKAL

Tryptamine Cubensis


> they should not be stating such things as triptamines or anything else increase potency when the evidence shows otherwise.

What evidence is that RR? Seems to me that the evidence indicates that mushies will 4-hydroxylate many chems.


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