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 wunperf
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 Absinthe 
#5895146 - 07/24/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Absinthe is legal in the US? Since when?
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Re: Absinthe [Re: wunperf]
#5895165 - 07/24/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Absinthe [Re: wunperf]
#5895170 - 07/24/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the U.S., traditional Absinthe is illegal to sell for human consumption because it contains the chemical thujone which is banned by the FDA for use in foods but allowed in some herbs known to contain thujone (Title 21, Chapter 1, Part 172.510). Some types of absinthe are sold in the U.S. which contain no thujone and other absinthes are imported into the U.S. despite FDA regulations.
A second legal issue with absinthe is that it is illegal in the United States to distill alcohol (even for personal consumption) without paying special taxes, filing paperwork & requesting a license from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. We haven't researched exactly what is involved in this process, but it seems quite complex and impractical. Some absinthe recipes call for distilling the product and some do not. So, technically a distilled absinthe could be illegal if made without a license. It is also illegal to sell any alcohol for human consumption without a license.
It is likely legal in the US to produce absinthe for one's personal use using commercially available distilled liquor and infusing one's own herbs into the alcohol, although any thujone-containing drinks are illegal to sell or distribute.
Q: I recently found some sites on the net selling real absinthe (has wormwood in it) from Spain & Portugal. I talked to someone on irc who said they had gotten some. Is it legal for me to buy real absinthe from Europe?
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A: First, if you haven't already, check out the Absinthe Law Vault
As with most laws in the US, the answer is muddied by a set of interlocking rules and regulations and no way for individuals to ask in-depth questions from the agencies who are in charge. The FDA is the US government agency that has controls on the use of wormwood and other thujone-containing plants as additives in food and alcohol.
The FDA has the power to ban for human consumption foods and supplements which are 'known harmful'. It has a list of food additives in Title 21, Volume 3, chapter I, Part 172.510 "Food Additives Permitted for Direct Addition to To Food For Human Consumption, Subpart F Flavoring Agents and related substances". In that section, it states that "Wormwood (Aretemisia spp.)" may be added to food only if the resulting product is "thujone free".
I wasn't able to find a strict definition of what "thujone free" means. Testing of this sort is done with cutoff levels: there's no way to test if something is 'free' of a chemical, you can only test to see if there is enough to detect using a particular test. In 1979 the WHO (World Health Organization) set allowable thujone level of "0.5 ppm in food and beverages, 10 ppm in alcoholic beverages containing more than 25% alcohol, 5 ppm in alcoholic beverages containing less than 25% alcohol, and 35 ppm in bitters (Galli et al., 1984)." (see http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/absinthe/absinthe_info3.shtml). Unfortunately, the FDA measures 'thujone free' by some standard not published with the law: "...determined by using the method (or, in other than alcoholic beverages, a suitable adaptation thereof) in section 9.129 of the ``Official Methods of Analysis of the Association of Official Analytical Chemists,'' 13th Ed. (1980)".
Whatever the exact cutoff level, its going to be very very low. So, clearly absinthe with wormwood is not allowed for sale for human consumption in the US.
The next question is whether it is allowed for sale into the US from another country. I looked through the FDA's importation rules and they were very clear. "These laws apply equally to domestic and imported products... All imported products are required to meet the same standards as domestic goods."(see the FDA's Import Export Introduction)
This is what we would expect. So I think we've established that the FDA believes that it is illegal to sell thujone containing drinking liquor inside the US and it is illegal to sell it into the United States from another country.
But as far as I know, the FDA's rules don't allow them to prosecute buyers of unapproved foods & drugs, only the sellers. Unfortunately we don't know anyone who is an expert in this area of law nor anyone at the FDA willing to answer our questions.
So, the situation, as I understand it:
It is illegal to sell thujone containing absinthe in the US for human consumption.
It is illegal for someone outside the US to sell thujone containing absinthe to someone inside the US.
It is not illegal to purchase thujone containing absinthe for personal use in the US.
It is not illegal to purchase thujone containing absinthe for personal use from outside the United States
Thujone containing absinthe can be seized by US customs (if it appears to be for human consumption).
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 EndlessNameless
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Re: Absinthe [Re: tocuhe]
#5895236 - 07/24/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe it is legal to posses but not to purchase. My friend bought a large bottle while in Rome and had no problems bringing it back into the United States. Although it wasn't officially checked in as importing alcohol, airport security didn't mention anything.
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