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Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland
    #5894414 - 07/24/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shroomerites: In Switzerland the Sacred Mushroom Church has psilocybian mushrooms as their holy sacrament, and seek recognition as an official religion, who considers the Mushroom to be their sacrament and guide.

They consider it as part of their mission to supply spiritual seekers around the world with psychedelic mushrooms. And this they have been doing, sending portions of Psilocybian mushrooms to whoever donated to their Church, worldwide, led by their leader, Pastor David.

In a nasty turn of events this has led to Pastor David being arrested, and jailed, for drug charges.

There is an online petition for his release, which anyone in the world can sign. You can find it here at freedavid.org and your privacy is guaranteed.

Please look into this church and their psychedelic mission. If you truly believe Pastor David should be released, and the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland be given legitimacy, please sign the petition today.

We, as a vast psychedelic community, can make a difference.
Please sign the petition now.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5894543 - 07/24/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what do you expect to happen to a guy publicly sending shrooms to everyone that gives him "donations"


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 2859558484]
    #5894556 - 07/24/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

His religion should be given as much credit as any other, I am definately signing.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Phishe]
    #5895433 - 07/24/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

His system of beleif is just as valid as any of the other hundreds out there.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5895512 - 07/24/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

wow i read about this Church years ago, it made me please to see that he wasn't being stamped down but it was only a matter of time.

i'll definately sign.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5895652 - 07/24/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well it seems that this guy is simply  selling mushrooms.  I'm a member of the transcendental church of human enlightenment that sold a sacrament called spice (2C-I).  This doesn't make what they did legal, in fact I believe they were shut down.

Furthermore it seems bad form for a mod to be posting obvious directions and sources to obtain psilocybin mushrooms, not that I mind sources :smile:.

The man was dealing drugs under the guise of religion, an old trick.  If he didn't want to go to jail he should have done this somewhere where it was legal.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5896059 - 07/24/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I signed it. I hope this guy gets out of this legal mess.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: DrGeek]
    #5896113 - 07/24/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Do you all believe that Wiccan_Seeker would post a link to a petition to release a man using religion explicitly as a means to sell shrooms? I don't for a second, and I will sign the petition  :thumbup:(although I will still check this church out to make 100% sure, as I would do any situation regardless of who is posting it).

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5897123 - 07/25/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so he just sent shrooms to whoever donated? Basically he's just a drug dealer with a different view on things. He ships drugs to places where it's illegal. Glad he had good intentions though, but he didn't  really think it trough. So much for a 'religion'. :smirk:

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5897552 - 07/25/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what's wrong with selling mushrooms through a church?

nothing. that's why you should sign.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: leery11]
    #5897828 - 07/25/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and it starts....


seriously though there needs to be a movement

free dave!


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: why_not_me]
    #5897956 - 07/25/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We are the movement, too bad the 80's had to happen and crush everyone's spirit. The 90's kids gotta do it.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5898242 - 07/25/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Glad he had good intentions though, but he didn't really think it trough. So much for a 'religion'.




He saw it as his religious duty. Now I think that is honorable. The donations were made to the fund of his church, and the goals they set for themselves are in my view honorable, they seek not to gain, but rather they want to share in the wealth of psychedelic mushrooms.
Bles him for trying, now to get him freed.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5899144 - 07/25/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He did something illegal, this is what happens when you break the law whether or not the law is stupid. I think they should change the law, but until they do that he did break the law, and if you break the law you goto jail. It isn't like he didn't know what was going to happen. I would like to see everyone charged with drug offensed freed, but not just this guy. Why should he be singled out, there are people who have been in prison for most of their lives on drug charges, I would rather see them get out of jail then this guy, though I would like them all to get out of jail, its not like hes doing a life bid. I also doubt even if a billion people signed that he would get freed.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5899268 - 07/25/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5900666 - 07/26/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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Glad he had good intentions though, but he didn't really think it trough. So much for a 'religion'.




He saw it as his religious duty. Now I think that is honorable. The donations were made to the fund of his church, and the goals they set for themselves are in my view honorable, they seek not to gain, but rather they want to share in the wealth of psychedelic mushrooms.
Bles him for trying, now to get him freed.



So if I see it as my religious duty to give meth to everyone who donated to my meth-church it would be ok too? Ofcoarse not.

Sure shrooms are a different drug and I like it that he wanted to share in it. But this is just the wrong way to do it (I wish it wasn't, but with current laws it is, even though we might all disagree with them). The free spore rings do a great job around the world and it's completely legal. Now if he were to give away spores to everyone who donated that would be smart :thumbup:

If he actually thought it trough and wanted this church of his to succeed he could have done two things:
1. send out spores like I suggested above
2. don't send out shrooms but have a distributer/grower of the holy goods in every country so he woulnd't have to send drugs across borders.

I don't blame him for trying, but I blame him for being stupid, so therefor I'm not going to bless him for trying.

Now that I think of it, I should have been his sidekick. Maybe then things would have turned out different, or I would be in jail too :lol:

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5900991 - 07/26/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there's nothing stupid about his actions; he would be well aware that this day could have come at any time. sure his mission was to share the psychedelic experience with as many others as possible which is what has got him in trouble, but i think ultimately what he is trying to do is contribute to altering the general perception of psychedelics for the sake of the future. he's taking on the big guys head on, not something i'm brave enough to do, so i'll support him in what ever small ways i can.

"don't send out shrooms but have a distributer/grower of the holy goods in every country so he woulnd't have to send drugs across borders."

if i remember correctly he mentions on the site that he is looking for worldwide distributors


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5901270 - 07/26/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So if I see it as my religious duty to give meth to everyone who donated to my meth-church it would be ok too? Ofcoarse not.




Thats a matter of personal beliefs. I know of no meth churches, but of many psychedelic churches. Perhaps Pastor David is right and is the catchall phrase "drugs" a misnomer. Perhaps psychedelics literally stand apart from the usual recreational drugs.

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If he actually thought it trough




I believe he has thought it through. Perhaps martyring himself to steer his church head-on into full confrontation with the Law was his plan all along, and then until now it works perfectly.

When a big shroom grower in holland was sued by the government, he countersued and faced the state head on. He won, and we have legal fresh shrooms to thank for it. Sometimes, even if you are the oppressed, you must face a mightier foe head on.

Its trying to please the law thats consistently not working, so his approach might be right. I hope to God he is right. He'll have the precedent of another EU nation (us) with legal shrooms, on his side.

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1. send out spores like I suggested above




From what I gather from the site theres an elaborate network of indoor and outdoor cultivation. And the world has great sporevendors already, like the Free Spore Rings.

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2. don't send out shrooms but have a distributer/grower of the holy goods in every country so he woulnd't have to send drugs across borders.




This is mostly what they did.

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But this is just the wrong way to do it




Perhaps not. It sure is different, but he knew what hje was getting into, and right now he needs our support, win or lose.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5901919 - 07/26/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Apparrently so many shroomerites bought mushrooms that the sacred mushroom church of switzerland has shut down.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5902052 - 07/26/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

most shroomerites don't buy their mushrooms  :naughty:


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: SuperD]
    #5902228 - 07/26/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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most shroomerites don't buy their mushrooms  :naughty:





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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: SuperD]
    #5902618 - 07/26/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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most shroomerites don't buy their mushrooms  :naughty:




Now why on earth would we buy shrooms? :dancing:

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Shrm420]
    #5902968 - 07/26/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Psycadelics have been used religiously for thousands of years by thousands of cultures. Petition signed.
To all you people that disagree with our outrage over his arrest, what are you doing to change these laws?

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: SuperD]
    #5904029 - 07/27/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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most shroomerites don't buy their mushrooms  :naughty:




of course not, that's why we're all here ;-)

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5904361 - 07/27/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i signed


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5904376 - 07/27/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've seen these 'sign to get *** free' things more often. Desn anyone know if it actually worked sometimes?

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5904535 - 07/27/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I've seen these 'sign to get *** free' things more often. Desn anyone know if it actually worked sometimes?




It depends on how easily you can persuade yourself into thinking such things.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5904590 - 07/27/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It will not do anything to help...like anyone cares about some internet drug kids signing a petition.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Organic]
    #5904811 - 07/27/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It will not do anything to help...like anyone cares about some internet drug kids signing a petition.



:thumbup:
I agree - also I've always felt mixed feelings about the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland - it would have been better for them to promote information about mushrooms, including guidelines on how to grow them or where to pick them rather than sending them to people who donate (which is basically selling drugs to anyone prepared to pay really).

Shame that the guy got busted, but not really a surprise - he really didn't think it through.

It's actually to the detriment of an attempt to get people to take psychedelic drug use seriously as an acceptable activity.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: theorganicdomino]
    #5905397 - 07/27/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You all presume that the man didn't intend to get busted. But it is very clear that this church doesn't care who sees their intentions (as it is so blatantly obvious) or what people think of them.
I believe that David is something of a martyr who is trying to create a paradigm shift (which utterly failed, but god bless his soul for trying).
And, seriously guys, you who say "he shouldn't have been doing it in the first place because it's illegal to sell illegal drugs and that's stupid!"... I don't believe that BS. You might as well be saying "You shouldn't do mushrooms because they're illegal."

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Organic]
    #5905693 - 07/27/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Organic said:
It will not do anything to help...like anyone cares about some internet drug kids signing a petition.



then why bother signing it?

Quote:

StroFun said:
Quote:

stefan said:
I've seen these 'sign to get *** free' things more often. Desn anyone know if it actually worked sometimes?




It depends on how easily you can persuade yourself into thinking such things.



you make no sense at all

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #5909230 - 07/28/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah this may be a publicity stunt in the Madonna/Britney spears sort of way of doing whatever the fuck it takes to get noticed.

And the guy who posted above right whether or not it's harsh.

No1 will take a petition from shroomery seriously as 1) it supports "drugs" 2) it's not a serious "mushroom awareness" site.

But on the other hand, by signing a petition you acknowledge the problem and have one more person to spread a "message".


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5912481 - 07/29/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well I wish him the best of luck, and I agree that it is a step in the right direction, but this is more like a letter of support. People are showing their support, its not going to get him free, but it will at least show him that he has people that think like him, and hopefully it will make him feel better. Still though, mushrooms are so fucking easy to grow yourself. Anyone with common sense and a closet can grow them, its a hell of a lot easier then cooking meth or growing weed. I also think that I am going to start a church called "The Church of the Poppy" and I'm going to start taking donations and sending people various opiates. I'll boobytrap my house with exploding dildos and a semen cannon so the pigs can't get me.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5912516 - 07/29/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We don't need Pastor David, but Pastor David needs us.
Do the right thing :thumbup:


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5912733 - 07/29/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just received an email saying the Pastor has just began a hunger strike.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: AislingGheal]
    #5913136 - 07/29/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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the Pastor has just began a hunger strike.




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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5913194 - 07/29/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.freedavid.org/
Help free David!

David HAS indeed gone on a hunger strike as of July 26th


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5914798 - 07/30/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have signed. This man is a great man and should be released from prison. Teonanacatl bless you David.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Arnstein]
    #5922260 - 08/01/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I signed the petition a good while ago.And as stated by an earlier poster he actually did send out the mushrooms from growers within your home country according to his site(not sure if the disclaimer applied to all country's though".

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5928008 - 08/03/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Signed


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #5929454 - 08/03/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They can lock you in a room, but they can never kill your beliefs. People who hold psychoactives as sacred are the Jews of the modern era. We're being persecuted, hunted down like dogs, in some cases even killed. For what? Believing that maybe you can become a better person through expanding your mind? Growing a plant? Enjoying a plant?

Thats one reason why I always keep my cool whenever there are cops around. I fully accepted there's a chance that I might go to jail a long time ago. I will do what I know is right, and what I believe is right. Fuck them for depriving me of my freedoms, but they can never change my mind.

They didn't make him change his, and they never will. Signed.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: wiggles]
    #5942571 - 08/07/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think he did anything wrong and no one has anyright to dis the guy, i mean some churches give out bibles and in someparts of the world that is illegal He has his own faith who are you to judge the man. I think everyone has the right to freedom of religion, and no man has the right to persecute him for what he believes. He wanted to spread his religion, most of the world is ignorat to the magical spritual powers of the mushrooms, most of the world considers them a narcotic and something wrong something illegal, he just wanted people to know the truth about them, and i think he did nothing wrong. He is a good man, i say they should free him. We should all sign!

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #5957161 - 08/12/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i signed it


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: xxxchristian69]
    #5987736 - 08/22/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what an intense first thread to come back to on my return to the shroomery...

obviously, someone like him, who did nothing 'morally wrong' shouldn't go to jail. jails should be reserved for those who need to be locked up, and far away from the rest of us. the jail system is one that is 'good enough' to hold people through until something comes about that makes us change the system.

sure, drug laws are dumb.....but do you really want some skeeby guy selling meth to little kids around schools? ya, mushrooms are way different and shouldn't be grouped under the umbrella term "drugs".

BUT, let's say we make mushrooms legal. next the lsd guys will want their own church and legalization of their holy substance. k, why not, lsd is harmless and can give insight into one's self and the environment around him.

then as time goes on, the harmless drugs are legalized while meth and crack remain illegal, since we dont want our little kids running around all hopped up on shit.

at some point, it is inevitable that someone will want a meth church, like someone above posted. or a crack church, whatever. my point is that legalizing drug laws is a slippery slope and if you want something legalized then you gotta make any substance legal to manufacture, purchase, and consume.

i dont think this would cause too much of a problem and am completely ok with it BUT those of you that would like to free david must accept this.

i'm not sure whether to sign or not. mostly because my buddies that are in jail for weed charges didn't have petitions and i didn't do anything about that.

and besides, how much signatures does it really take to free someone from jail?


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: keefboy]
    #5987963 - 08/22/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that is silly reasoning.

look. all drugs should be legal. why. SO SKETCHY GUYS AREN'T SELLING THEM TO KIDS!

!lol!

now look, kids can get fake IDs if they want beer, or they can get their older friends to buy it for them, or their parents, but you know what? I don't care if you're 12 years old you can get any illegal drug you want at the drop of the hat, and generally there are dealers set up for the main ones by the time you hit high school..... (and you can be 13-14-15 in HS)

Meth labs blowing up and poisoning people. Cut and impure products. Gangs killing each other and kids and innocents in their crossfires. Terrorists and militaries making money peddling drugs.

The most dangerous shit about hard drugs is the black market crime, not the hard drugs themselves. Legal or illegal they exist man, so there's no reason NOT to legalize them.

you know what. maybe if we let people use cannabis and shrooms legally, no one would have worked so hard to peddle meth into societies underbelly, maybe if we never started prohibition ever, the drug "problem" would be a lot more minor than it is now, because we would love addicts and give them support instead of making them paranoid and throwing them in jail. and because there wouldn't BE sketchy people peddling on corners and shooting up each other and robbing customers and pushing unclean merch, because there wouldn't be a black market.

sure, it's a scary prospect now to legalize and sell and regulate everything, but it's the only way to truely curb the damage we are doing simply because of the fact that t hey are illegal and create huge windows of crime for black market thugs.

and guess what. terrorists are fucking rich as hell off opium, richer than they could get from oil or anything.

i straight up guarantee, drugs are free money to ANYONE who has any evil intent at all, the easiest way to make a quick buck..... easier than selling guns. easier than working a regular job and being a member of society.

remember al capone? Now we have thousands of capones.

legalize it all not because it's dangerous, or because its safe, but because the drug war is unsafe (and who are we to say you can't use substances? hmm.)

but since i'm living in the real world, legalize cannabis and probably shrooms, definitely peyote. decriminalize all everything else.

also would super potent heroin exist if we kept opium legal, wouldn't people just use opium instead and not feel a need to maximize profit by maximizing potency? I mean part of making illegal drugs is either maximizing addictive properties, or ensuring super absurd and easy levels of ingestion and distribution. it's easier to sell a product who has tiny dosage units than it is to push poppies to people and stuff.

that's why LSD mainly ended up with blotters instead of sugar cubes.

but if you keep the opium dens legal and restrict the amounts an individual can buy at once, they run a hard time ODing if they have to go and sit and smoke it in a ritual way you know?


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: stefan]
    #6008496 - 08/29/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've signed. Do these online petitions ever REALLY work?


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #6042536 - 09/08/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: leafing]
    #6042552 - 09/08/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

but it's a good opportunity to rant about your little philosophy about making a difference ... but the harsh reality is you're not going to why do you tonk the 60's were pretty much a failure .. and one might argue that it promoted 'free thought' and other such over repeated phrases... but so does a lot of other crap that doesn't leave you looking stupid with a flower in your hand. note when i say failure of the 60's the context I'm that in is the idiots who really thought they were going to change the world nilly willy I'm not saying it was a tiny step but shit takes time.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: leafing]
    #6049297 - 09/11/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He is facing extradition to the US, WTF? C'mon now nationalism has led to being world police... impeach that bastard

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: StroFun]
    #6089185 - 09/22/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow. This guy really should have thought things through hehe...But i guess his idea was valid.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: dmtryptamine]
    #6092426 - 09/23/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow. This guy really should have thought things through hehe...But i guess his idea was valid.




I'm sure he thought it through just fine. You can't change law without going to court. i.e. Do something to get you into court and validate your actions on record.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: shymanta]
    #6097269 - 09/24/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: PaintballAds]
    #6105219 - 09/26/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so r mushrooms their "god" or do they just use mushrooms to help them see the way to a "god or gods"


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: toolband420]
    #6115477 - 09/29/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms are the equivalent to the bread and wine in catholicism, if im not mistaken, but i'm a liberal so who knows!

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: wiggles]
    #6164780 - 10/13/06 03:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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They can lock you in a room, but they can never kill your beliefs. People who hold psychoactives as sacred are the Jews of the modern era. We're being persecuted, hunted down like dogs, in some cases even killed. For what? Believing that maybe you can become a better person through expanding your mind? Growing a plant? Enjoying a plant?




mushrooms aren't a plant.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #6191679 - 10/20/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i have signed the petition and have sent it to 40 other people and told them to forward ti to every one they know. i hope we can make a difference. -brandon, twiztid091286

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: twiztid091286]
    #6206749 - 10/24/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Damnit, I used to be on David's newsletter for current events news... I'll spread the word about the petition.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: the_phoenix]
    #6248600 - 11/04/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hahaha, he sounds like a fuckin retard, did he seriously think he would get away with it? Weather the intentions were for good or not, he was bound to get cought. That would be cool though If there was a religion where we could all use shrooms in peace for the spiritul aspect, and it be legal.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: euphoricpoison]
    #6252823 - 11/06/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Any word on his latest status?

I'm assuming he's still in jail

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: junglejuice]
    #6252841 - 11/06/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Firefox can't find the server at www.freedavid.org.




:crazy: that sounds bad..


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: wiggles]
    #6361921 - 12/12/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wait a minute so your telling me the US government went over and got this guy from another country?.... and fuck the world police thats like if i was in Amsterdam and selling seeds of cannibis cup winners and the US trys to shut me down... wtf? please inform me...


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: KangKoopa]
    #6368658 - 12/14/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The US tried to do the same with a Canadian dude selling seeds, wants him extradited.

Seems like the US is trying to impart its will all over the world, no matter the context.

Don't do drugs! Except for the drugs rushed to market by the FDA via payola, of course. Those are fine.

Prozac has driven more people insanely psychotic than pot or mushrooms ever will, but hey, it's "legal". So it must be okay.

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Re: Free P David f the Sac Mush Church of Switz [Re: mrEdude]
    #6372647 - 12/15/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

passitbobbie

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Re: Free P David f the Sac Mush Church of Switz [Re: laughingdog]
    #6382494 - 12/18/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

signed :wink:

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Re: Free P David f the Sac Mush Church of Switz [Re: mopsss]
    #6389850 - 12/20/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Going to jail for using a what is called God Flesh. God put it here for us... to be used...


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #6432562 - 01/06/07 08:25 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know how I feel about it... Don't get me wrong I love Mushrooms, but I mean think about it. If a heroin addict wanted to do heroin lawfully with his posse of junkies, all they would have to do is create a religion about how they get they're fix.

And we all obviously know heroin isn't a good drug. So technically if they allowed this guy to get away with it, there would be absolutely nothing stopping any other drug addict with the same intentions.

Granted mushrooms and heroin are to comparisons that have no relative features of one another. But you understand the point I'm trying to make.

Not to mention, this guys is distributing mushrooms for "Donations"? That sounds like a minor drug lord to me. I'm not dissing on the guy, more power to him, he got away with it for awhile. But like any crime you commit, it's only a matter of time before law enforcement catches on, and catches up.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 12Gau6e]
    #6461895 - 01/15/07 11:41 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how I feel about it... Don't get me wrong I love Mushrooms, but I mean think about it. If a heroin addict wanted to do heroin lawfully with his posse of junkies, all they would have to do is create a religion about how they get they're fix.

And we all obviously know heroin isn't a good drug. So technically if they allowed this guy to get away with it, there would be absolutely nothing stopping any other drug addict with the same intentions.

Granted mushrooms and heroin are to comparisons that have no relative features of one another. But you understand the point I'm trying to make.

Not to mention, this guys is distributing mushrooms for "Donations"? That sounds like a minor drug lord to me. I'm not dissing on the guy, more power to him, he got away with it for awhile. But like any crime you commit, it's only a matter of time before law enforcement catches on, and catches up.




Please spare me of your prejudice.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: StroFun]
    #6477467 - 01/19/07 05:02 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I signed. I think its stupid that they arrested him even t hough its' illegal.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: hpi]
    #6480004 - 01/20/07 02:10 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, who cares if heroin addicts want to start a church and do heroin all the time. It's not really anyone else's right to tell anyone what to do with their life or their body. If they wanna do heroin fine, I wouldn't but that doesn't make it wrong, just wrong for me.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #6481461 - 01/21/07 12:38 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Does anyone have any information on how i could start a sect, my own church under the Sacred Mushroom Church?

I wish to pastor a Sacred Mushroom Church of my own, here in the U.S.

Having multiple churches strenghtens its legitimacy.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #6484457 - 01/22/07 01:50 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

while this case is a tragedy for this socalled pastor and his family i think the wisdom we all can learn from this case is simply do not trade illegal items with usa, no cannabis seeds or mushrooms or anything else, its simply not worth it. I dont think this man is going to be released. but if he gets sent to usa i hope there will at least be some debate on this. noone in eu should risk facing us prisons as long as they are not in usa and break laws there.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: elsig]
    #6490263 - 01/23/07 06:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"The tyranny and the bullshit's gone on too long.
You old fuckin' shrivs who blocked it's legalization,
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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 12Gau6e]
    #6492535 - 01/24/07 12:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how I feel about it... Don't get me wrong I love Mushrooms, but I mean think about it. If a heroin addict wanted to do heroin lawfully with his posse of junkies, all they would have to do is create a religion about how they get they're fix.

And we all obviously know heroin isn't a good drug. So technically if they allowed this guy to get away with it, there would be absolutely nothing stopping any other drug addict with the same intentions.

Granted mushrooms and heroin are to comparisons that have no relative features of one another. But you understand the point I'm trying to make.

Not to mention, this guys is distributing mushrooms for "Donations"? That sounds like a minor drug lord to me. I'm not dissing on the guy, more power to him, he got away with it for awhile. But like any crime you commit, it's only a matter of time before law enforcement catches on, and catches up.




you have to be kidding me. Let people do meth, heroin, crack, and what ever they want. I personally don't care what people do to their own body. Let adults choose what they want to do with their own body. It's your right to get lung cancer, sclerosis of the liver, die from an OD.

I really don't know enough about pastor david or his church to form an opinion. Does anyone what size donations he asked for and what quantity he sent out? Where the money went to? Was he wealthy because of his "missionary work"


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: xhooliganx]
    #6515155 - 01/31/07 01:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I fail to understand how anyone belonging to this community can speak negatively in regards to this, though some may have sound points you're missing the bigger picture. I'm sure he knew damn well what he was doing and is little more than unsurprised about how it's played out so far. There are many people diligently engaged in this argument and they see that this man is creating the waves that promise more potential for change than the tiny ripples put out by some random self-proclaimed shroomerite such as myself bitching of the illegality of psilocybin mushrooms.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: mrEdude]
    #6592777 - 02/21/07 05:43 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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mrEdude said:
The US tried to do the same with a Canadian dude selling seeds, wants him extradited.

Seems like the US is trying to impart its will all over the world, no matter the context.

Don't do drugs! Except for the drugs rushed to market by the FDA via payola, of course. Those are fine.

Prozac has driven more people insanely psychotic than pot or mushrooms ever will, but hey, it's "legal". So it must be okay.




Yeah, Marc Emery. And on that note, FREE MARC EMERY! \m/


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: AlCapwn]
    #6611125 - 02/25/07 11:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's silly for anyone to hide behind the guise of religion to make their drug of choice 'acceptable'. We do drugs to for our own self-pleasure, period. God is perfectly capable of speaking to us without the 'help' of mind altering drugs... it's just that we prefer listening to the drugs... perhaps some drug was the forbidden fruit that has haunted us since Eden.

If he were just a drug dealer, I could respect that... but he's a fraud and his fate will be what it will.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #6611157 - 02/26/07 12:14 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright, who cares if heroin addicts want to start a church and do heroin all the time. It's not really anyone else's right to tell anyone what to do with their life or their body. If they wanna do heroin fine, I wouldn't but that doesn't make it wrong, just wrong for me.




You wouldn't say that if you knew someone on heroin or crack... they ruin lives, which ruin families, which ruin communities... we all pay the price.

I don't think we can force help on people. But there are people battling addiction that really do want to stop...it's harder than you think.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: hazeblaze]
    #6647669 - 03/08/07 01:51 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think there should be MORE psychedelic religions. The more the better. This gives us power. I think.. I hope.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #6647992 - 03/08/07 07:46 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Shroomerites, the Swiss authorities seem not to take any action to change their course. Unfortunately it'll be best to unsticky this thread, but feel free to post in it and bring it back up.

It's sad how the lawmakers lack vision in their application of freedom of religion.
Pastor David - we wish you the best, and that your strength may never leave you.


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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #6647999 - 03/08/07 07:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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It's sad how the lawmakers lack vision in their application of freedom of religion.





Religion is free when the government agrees with it... thats pretty much the way it is all over the entire planet.

Its moments like these when I ponder the possibility of living on a remote island and having a sea plane to get me where I need to go. I know the perfect place I would go, its just making that final decision on giving up the "things" I have to create the life I want where I am truly free.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
    #6648000 - 03/08/07 07:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what did you expect? that they would release him? he sold illegal drugs and even exportted them to usa, he should have known better. i really dont see any diffrence in this case and other people who get busted for sale , ive been to jail myself for sale of cannabis. as a atheist i dont think priest should be treated any diffrent than the next person.

allthough i think mushroom should have been legal and what not , we dont live in a dream world.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: shriek]
    #6648032 - 03/08/07 08:00 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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allthough i think mushroom should have been legal and what not , we dont live in a dream world.




So people should just be content instead of trying to make change in the world we live?

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: dedjam]
    #6648039 - 03/08/07 08:03 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

starting a church and sell illegal mushrooms is not the way to go about that. its not trying to change the world its a sure way to end up in jail .

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: shriek]
    #6648045 - 03/08/07 08:06 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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starting a church and sell illegal mushrooms is not the way to go about that. its not trying to change the world its a sure way to end up in jail .




Im all for changing things the legal way. Im certainly not about religion.

Still, the majority of people who have made great changes in this world, have done so by going against the laws and ending up in jail. If people didnt break the laws, there would be no need for them to be changed.

Sometimes you have to do what you believe in to make a change...you just have to be willing to accept the consequences.

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Re: Free Pastor David of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: dedjam]
    #6648069 - 03/08/07 08:14 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah in some cases you need to break laws, but doing it like this guy has done it was a retardet way to try to make changes, i agree what you are saying. but you need to be smart about it.
will the world change any because of pastor david? i think not
its not even a hot political issue in any country.
will anyone remember pastor david in 5 years? very few i think.¨
will he win anything by beein in jail? likely not
i mean there is a world of diffrence between beeing pastor david in jail for selling mushrooms and lets say nelson mandela.

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Pastor David is free and I interviewed him [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #8322379 - 04/24/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hello and Namaste,

In the meantime, Pastor David is free. Meaning he is out of prison, but his case will go on for a few more years. He and his lawyers are fighting for the right of the individual; basically for religious freedom.

I have interviewed him, unfortunately in German language,
maybe you could read it with babelfish, or some other translation program. At any rate, see how he looks like, and 2 photos from ancient religious texts/fabric which shows mushroom rituals:

Pastor David Schlesinger über Psilocybin, Christentum und Jesus Christus

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Re: Pastor David is free and I interviewed him [Re: ultrafeel]
    #8322399 - 04/24/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm glad to hear is out of jail.


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Re: Pastor David is free and I interviewed him [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8325985 - 04/25/08 04:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The fact that hes religious is enough to warrant sending him to jail


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Dont get me wrong he is a funny guy, just not a great actor. Smoke some bud and watch the movie, weed helps me pick out shitty acting. [/quote]

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Re: Pastor David is free and I interviewed him [Re: AScannerDarkly]
    #8326199 - 04/25/08 08:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How so?


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Re: Pastor David is free and I interviewed him [Re: ultrafeel]
    #8748005 - 08/09/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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ultrafeel said:
In the meantime, Pastor David is free. Meaning he is out of prison, but his case will go on for a few more years. He and his lawyers are fighting for the right of the individual; basically for religious freedom.

I have interviewed him, unfortunately in German language,
maybe you could read it...




After visiting his latest website, I am rather upset with this 'Pastor Dave' fellow.  In my view he and people like him are a large part of the problem.

His views (I decline to give the link but you can find it via the link on ultrafeel's post in this thread) seem nothing short of delusional.  He's leading people astray.

Here is the problem:  Dave has apparently, in taking mushrooms, encountered, perhaps like some people in this forum, an uncanny and remarkable experience of the sheer joy associated with physical existence -- with our status as living beings, as organisms.  It is an experience beyond words. 

What happens, though, is that a person has this experience -- a "high" -- but then, after, their mind descends or return back to their usual thought patterns -- the patterns produced by our upbringing, social conditioning, personal distortions, etc.  In Dave's case, when this happens, he constructs around his core 'mystical' experience a bizarre set of extraneous beliefs that are completely false.  That is the difference between a prophet and a madman or 'cultist'.

The true situation, in my opinion, can be outlined fairly clearly -- at least to those ready to hear it -- and for this we may refer to an esoteric alchemical symbol of the kind which the 'Pastor' so badly misinterprets on his website:

This old image comes from a sequence of 10 or 11 images that comprise what is called the Rosarium Philosophorum, or the Rosary of the Philosophers.  The psychologist Carl Jung, who wrote extensively about alchemy, had a lot to say about these images.



To vastly oversimplify, what this image symbolizes is something like the following:

  • Human consciousness has two 'elements' -- a solar/male/spiritual consciousness, and a lunar/female/material consciousness.  Or we might even consider these two separate consciousnesses.

  • The solar/male consciousness is more closely associated with, among other things, higher, abstract wisdom, reasoning, mathematics, etc.

  • The lunar/female consciousness is more closely associated with the sheer experience of material being, of feeling, the "palpability" of material existence.

  • What is sought is a union or "alchemical marriage" of these two consciousnesses.  This union produces or promotes a superior level of awareness or functioning; spiritual salvation, etc.

The problem with modern (versus indigenous) culture is that only solar/male consciousness is valued.  Lunar/female consciousness exists but is marginalized, even repressed. 

One characteristic effect of mushrooms seems to be to reawaken or reassert the lunar/female consciousness.  That's what happens when one is suddenly struck with the realization "I'm Alive!!" and all that implies.  Dave seems to describe having had that experience.

For the unsophisticated, this experience may produce a rejection of all beliefs and acculturation associated solar/male consciousness.  Rejected is anything associated with "patriarchal" society:  traditions, traditional religions, institutions, logic, science.  All these things are seen as as bad.  You see that overreaction a lot these days.

However that attitude is completely inconsistent with the idea of the "alchemical marriage" described above.  Yes, we definitely want to bring the lunar/female element back from the margins.  But the point is to *integrate* it with the solar/male principle.  We don't want to switch from one extreme to the other -- from an exclusively rational culture to an exclusively 'feeling' one; we want both elements united.

This is where 'Pastor Dave' fails.  He has no respect for intellectual tradition.  He tosses it all aside, and then, inevitably, constructs a new one; but, lacking a grounding in tradition, it becomes the product of his own ego and fantasies.

He cavalierly dismisses all Christian teachings as 'distorted' -- when, in fact, one doubts he has any more than a passing acquaintance with what those teachings actually are.  We are to trust that he, 'Pastor Dave', and only he, knows the true meaning of Christianity -- and all of the renowned Christian mystics of ages past, Meister Eckhart, St. Teresa, Jacob Boehme, and many others -- who expressed profound mystical views *and* held onto traditional Christian doctrines, are to be ignored.

The truth is that Dave probably doesn't have a clue who these people are, and is too busy selling his "holy fleece" (a term which despite it's pretentious name has no historical or traditional precedent) to bother with them.

All this makes it difficult if not impossible for responsible people who are trying to gain social tolerance for religious and/or psychotherapeutic use of psychedelic substances.  Never mind someone like Huston Smith, who has, quietly, over the course of a long and distinguished career, argued for the religious potential of psychedelic substances; someone like 'Pastor Dave' comes along with his stunts and grabs the headlines, virtually forcing law enforcement agencies to get involved.

You'd think, after spending several months in jail, he would have learned his lesson.  Instead, he seems determined now to get amanita muscaria banned.

--wjames

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