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I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? *DELETED*
    #5892279 - 07/23/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: SeaDour]
    #5892303 - 07/23/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd say it was the amphetamines you were taking. They can often lead to mania and or psychosis.

As far as memory loss, that's fairly standard. I mean what exactly do you expect to remember if you sat there staring at a bunch of crazy complex visuals for 6 hours?

That said, there is one potential thing I can think might have happened. They might have laced the shrooms with a "high enhancer", probably welbutrin. That can make the trip much more powerful and different. It also leads to feeling much more disoriented and lost even in familiar territory. If you give a more detailed description of the trip I can try to confirm or deny that possibility. Make some comparisons between that trip and others you have had.

Then again there are plenty of other reasons the trip might have been different or not well remembered.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: SeaDour]
    #5892305 - 07/23/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

1) wrong forum
2) scales are sensitive maybe they didnt want you shaking the car around causing things to mismeasure
3) some friends if you can't trust them
4) 3.5 is a moderatly high dose and you pretty much describe a mushroom trip.  any psychedelic experience has much to do with whats on your mind and the setting you trip in.  starting out paranoid is not a good idea.
5) psychedelic drugs can bring out underlying mental illness.  i saw a friend recently hospitalized and was diagnosed with schizophrenia after her first time trying mushrooms, and she only ate 2g.
6) its not smart to mix stimulants with psychedelics, especially when the prescription was new and you weren't used to it, and you didn't know what to expect from the mushrooms.
7) whenever taking a new or unknown substance, start small.  don't chug down an eight of mushrooms without having any idea how they will effect you.

if anything you learned some valuable lessons.  don't ingest anything from anybody you can't trust unconditionally.  don't mix things.  don't attempt a psychedelic experience if you aren't in the correct mindset. 

and most importantly, make posts like this in the psychedelic experience forum in the future. :smile:  im sure it will be moved for you.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: SeaDour]
    #5892311 - 07/23/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this will (should be) moved to the experiences forum.

doesn't sound to me like your shit was laced...what do you think it was laced with? keep in mind you are bi-polar, were high on pot, and were popping adderalls.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: esdfsfd]
    #5893719 - 07/24/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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esdfsfd said:
keep in mind you are bi-polar, were high on pot, and were popping adderalls.




2 out of the 3 times i hippie-flipped this happened... a "complete psychotic breakdown"... the later, and worst, involved lots of weed, 2 nights of mushrooms w/ extacy, the second night adderall (partied from thur - saturday mid-day) , and about 2 small lines of tweak throughout the whole thing (free from the dealer of the other stuff. here! im your friend! have a free line of tweak that im giving you out of the kindness of my heart! yea right). Anyway. Peoples' mouths move and you cant hear\understand what they are saying... vague memory, and it felt like b/c i couldn't understand them (plus they were looking at me weird cuz i was trippin out) that they MUST all be teaming together against me somehow in some plot.

This happened the first and third (last) time i hippie-flipped. It has, since then, happened about 3 times JUST ON WEED!!!! (There is a term for this condition, its called "cannabis psychosis", acute psychosis induced by a large amount of THC, that lasts usually until the user comes down\goes to bed) However, i noticed when i stopped using cocaine like i was (a 20 in a night, about once every 2-3 months), that side effect was reduced. However now, if i quit smoking for a period, then start again, the first time i get high again i get hit with almost-psychotic paranoia and social delusion.

Your friends were probably shorting you, or giving you more then 3.5 to trip you out, but prolly were not cutting it. They were prolly being shady about you being in the car cause they wanted all the caps and were gonna give you the powder, lol.  :tongue2:

Dont do stimulants! They FUCK up your head! And yes, adderall IS tweak, and tweak IS the devil.  :mushroom2: :sun:

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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5893866 - 07/24/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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creamcorn said:
1) wrong forum
2) scales are sensitive maybe they didn't want you shaking the car around causing things to mismeasure
3) some friends if you can't trust them
4) 3.5 is a moderatly high dose and you pretty much describe a mushroom trip.  any psychedelic experience has much to do with whats on your mind and the setting you trip in.  starting out paranoid is not a good idea.
5) psychedelic drugs can bring out underlying mental illness.  i saw a friend recently hospitalized and was diagnosed with schizophrenia after her first time trying mushrooms, and she only ate 2g.
6) its not smart to mix stimulants with psychedelics, especially when the prescription was new and you weren't used to it, and you didn't know what to expect from the mushrooms.
7) whenever taking a new or unknown substance, start small.  don't chug down an eight of mushrooms without having any idea how they will effect you.

if anything you learned some valuable lessons.  don't ingest anything from anybody you can't trust unconditionally.  don't mix things.  don't attempt a psychedelic experience if you aren't in the correct mindset. 

and most importantly, make posts like this in the psychedelic experience forum in the future. :smile:  im sure it will be moved for you.


i agree with everything said in the above quote. you are eating psychedelic mushrooms; things are going to happen or seem to happen that don't normally happen. what the did you expect to happen?

p.s. what the hell would you "lace" mushrooms with anyway??? hallucinating is the furthest from reality that you can get really.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5894222 - 07/24/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

definately not laced man, as somoeone esle already said, u ate an 8th of mushrooms. what do u expect man? u tripped out. and yes adderal is the devil


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5894317 - 07/24/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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what the hell would you "lace" mushrooms with anyway??? hallucinating is the furthest from reality that you can get really




PCP but I think you would know the difference.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: LedHead]
    #5894468 - 07/24/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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LedHead said:
definately not laced man, as somoeone esle already said, u ate an 8th of mushrooms. what do u expect man? u tripped out. and yes adderal is the devil




what he said


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: GirlNinja]
    #5894588 - 07/24/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

One thing I didn't see here mentioned at all with all of this talk about trust and honesty, is the fact that it is quite normal for bad or ill intentioned people to have bad trips while on mushrooms. This is usually a sure fire way to discover the truth about certain individuals and how they really are. This is a fact that is written about in many anthropological papers on many entheogens. There is a great documentary out there on the Huichol Indians of Mexico who use peyote and cleanse themselves mentally before the trip revealing all of their secrets to one another to avoid the very issue of bad trips. In the video they even show the Indians who lied having the bad trips and discussing why they had the bad trips when they came down - admitting that it was because of their lying and dishonesty. I whole heartedly agree. Entheogens help people to face their issues. With proper use we don't need psychologists...or their chemical drugs.

I've smoked cannabis for years and have read most of the studies on it and have been very close friends with Jack Herer for 15 years. I don't know that I'd agree with "Cannabis Psychosis". Nor do I believe in Cannabis causing paranoia. It is the surrounding circumstances such as its illegality and the people you are with - as well as not being a regular user. Doing shrooms with anything than other entheogens is just dumb. Cannabis is safe. Mushrooms are a sacrament and should be treated as such. Don't use them with alcohol, speed!, cocaine (unless it's raw coca leaf as the shamans use), etc. Do them in the proper set and setting.

Another issue here. It sounds to me based on the description of your trip that you were on the verge of a full blown out of body or "religious experience." If you have not had one before, they can be frightening. I took mushrooms a couple hundred times before I had a full blown and figured out why they were used by shamans throughout the world for religious experiences for thousands of years - and as we discuss in our book, are the very foundation of the world's religions. The small doses for colors and partying are in reality a stupid reason for doing them. As Terence McKenna always said, 5 to 7 grams in silent darkness and LET GO.

Entheogens bring up the shit you have buried in deep in your mind, things you've suppressed. I don't believe in entheogens giving bad trips. I believe the user doesn't let go and gets his/her ass beat. Here is an article I wrote about this a few years ago. http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/experiencial.html
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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: GnosticMedia]
    #5894613 - 07/24/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't sound like the mushrooms were laced. .

Sounds to me like it was the speed. . I took 90mg once in the morning and drank a lot of coffee for work, and later that night when I was at my girlfriend's place I started to get very manic and break down. Amphetamines are known to cause psychosis, mania, manic depression, and bi-polar behavior. I would definitely say that it was the adderall you took.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: Ashland]
    #5894905 - 07/24/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like mushrooms to me.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: GnosticMedia]
    #5894930 - 07/24/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have fought the sacrement many times.I have still
gotten the message on some occasions.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: 905]
    #5894945 - 07/24/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just sounds like a strong mushroom trip to me. I've had similar before where the comeup seems to happen near instantly.

Strong trip + Adderall, but nothing was laced IMO.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: kaniz]
    #5898211 - 07/25/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Noone could tell you if they were laced, as its impossible to know from the discription. It sounds like they probally weren't, but its not possible to tell for sure. Also, taking adderall and mushrooms can potentially be a bad mix, though some people probally like this mixture, you didn't have enough experience with either drug by itself, let alone mixing it. Next time take less and don't mix drugs. Even weed and mushrooms can give some people a bad trip, just chalk this trip up to experience and don't make the same mistake.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #13004643 - 08/04/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I just logged into this forum because I am in need of a little advice -

I have read up on what everybody believes had happened to the shrooms in the first story, but I remember that this thread's starter mentioned she didn't remember anything after a certain point if not for bits and pieces.

Interestingly enough, today one of my friends decided it was going to be her first time eating shrooms.  I have done them twice before myself and figured I could help 'babysit' and chill out with her all day.  So we did and it was all good, up until about an hour later.  I know she was definetly tripping face without a doubt and in an absolute blissful state.  I could also tell that she was totally wrapped up in her own little world.  Nothing anyone said or did phased her, and she kept screaming and repeating different phrases that had nothing to do with anything at all, but happy nonetheless.  She was jus started to get completely outrageous.

She screamed louder than ever, continued to repeat these phrases that made sense to her in her own world.  I really just wanted her to calm the eff down and tried everything until she got really violent with myself and our other friends.  The screaming and the insane phrases just took over everything for a while.. we almost didn't know what to do with her, because this girl was clearly not fit to be in the public eye.  After about 2 hours we settled the situation in our own little way.  I knew that the effects would wear away and she would slowly but surely come back to Earth, which she did after another two hours in which she calmed down but continued to babble on.

The real reason I did post this tonight was because I can honestly say that I was more worried for her than I ever thought possible.  She just wasn't herself at all, and no matter what anyone said or did I could tell that she would tune everyone out completely and continue to frolic.  She showed no self control whatsoever and her behavior was truly scary and in my opinion slightly psychotic - physical force was not solving the problem because she genuinely had no idea where she was.  And I'm sure that when I talk to her tomorrow she will have no recollection of what happened the day before, and why in the world are there so many nasty, blotchy bruises up and down her legs.


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: confusedpillpopper]
    #13004742 - 08/04/10 11:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I just logged into this forum because I am in need of a little advice -

I have read up on what everybody believes had happened to the shrooms in the first story, but I remember that this thread's starter mentioned she didn't remember anything after a certain point if not for bits and pieces.

Interestingly enough, today one of my friends decided it was going to be her first time eating shrooms.  I have done them twice before myself and figured I could help 'babysit' and chill out with her all day.  So we did and it was all good, up until about an hour later.  I know she was definetly tripping face without a doubt and in an absolute blissful state.  I could also tell that she was totally wrapped up in her own little world.  Nothing anyone said or did phased her, and she kept screaming and repeating different phrases that had nothing to do with anything at all, but happy nonetheless.  She was jus started to get completely outrageous.

She screamed louder than ever, continued to repeat these phrases that made sense to her in her own world.  I really just wanted her to calm the eff down and tried everything until she got really violent with myself and our other friends.  The screaming and the insane phrases just took over everything for a while.. we almost didn't know what to do with her, because this girl was clearly not fit to be in the public eye.  After about 2 hours we settled the situation in our own little way.  I knew that the effects would wear away and she would slowly but surely come back to Earth, which she did after another two hours in which she calmed down but continued to babble on.

The real reason I did post this tonight was because I can honestly say that I was more worried for her than I ever thought possible.  She just wasn't herself at all, and no matter what anyone said or did I could tell that she would tune everyone out completely and continue to frolic.  She showed no self control whatsoever and her behavior was truly scary and in my opinion slightly psychotic - physical force was not solving the problem because she genuinely had no idea where she was.  And I'm sure that when I talk to her tomorrow she will have no recollection of what happened the day before, and why in the world are there so many nasty, blotchy bruises up and down her legs.



Sometimes things like this will happen. You have to be ready for anything. Usually this is the result of insane high dosing, but some people are very sensitive, and the funny thing about mushrooms is, everybody thinks they should eat a whole eighth their first time. I don't know if that is what your friend did, but it certainly sounds like it.
The first time I encountered a friend in this state, it was pretty scary for me as well. They need time and care from friends. If she had been prepared, your friend would have probably spent that trip lying down, eyes closed, having an epic journey. But unprepared, a strong psychedelic experience is entirely overwhelming, and first timers are unpredictable with those doses, as they will probably try to resist. Even experienced trippers are unpredictable with large doses... Your friend might be very sensitive to psilocybin. The mushrooms might be very potent. This might be the first show of an underlying mental illness. But probably not. I have seen a few level-headed people go completely backwards like your friend. Usually all it takes is a few hours.


Edit: OP, your shrooms weren't laced, at least I really doubt it. They are psychedelic mushrooms, those effects sound about right for eating an eighth of them while on amphetamine.


Edited by drr (08/04/10 11:32 PM)


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: confusedpillpopper]
    #13004767 - 08/04/10 11:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

it happens to the best of us, sometimes you just gotta let it just take its course and chill .. Smoke weed and listen to soothing music such as reggae :rastamon:


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: SouthernGulfStyle]
    #13004791 - 08/04/10 11:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I cbf reading all the obove. But why would someone lace shrooms?
I mean, if there shrooms then they'd have no need to.

What were they thinking? Im gonna get these people extra high for no extra cost, and not the high they want either. hehehe


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Re: I think my shrooms were laced...help in confirming this? [Re: drr]
    #13004807 - 08/04/10 11:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yea sounds like a form of psychosis. if you had more adderal lying around.. i.e. in ur car, backpack or pockets w/e then you could have taken them while you blacked out and then that way.. youd be over dosing on an amp therefore causing yourself to go into psychosis.

or..

your poped ur adderal and taken the shrooms.. they could possibly even strenghten the effect of the amp because nobody knows exactly what happens chemically in your brain when on mushrooms yet so they could even be working on the same receptors for all we know creating an amplification effect of the adderal youve taken bringing you into a psychosis. kind of like LSD, ive read that it enables the release of epinephren or norepinephren or w/e chemical that causes you to go into addrenaline mode. what do you think would happen if you take an adderal and LSD, its possibly going to release twice as much addrenaline. who knows :shrug:


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