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Harmonic_Order
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You believe that stuff about imprinting?
#5885058 - 07/21/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a copy of Psychedelic Prayers here, a book by Leary that maps out how to turn yourself into a Taoist using psychedelic drugs. I wonder: who believes that you can use LSD, shrooms or cactus to "imprint higher spirituality?" Imprinting, you remember, means like what happens when you hatch a chicken egg yourself. The chick sees you as its mother. That happens because it never knew another, and you stood right there while it hatched. Tim Leary taught that heroic doses of LSD, shrooms, or mescaline could infantilize you temporarily, and that in the properly-prepared setting, with theraputic support, you could rearrange your life. All of a sudden. He did that with convicted felons in prison, just turned their lives around all of a sudden. And it kept them out of prison, which prison itself can't promise to do, even today. He also wrote manuals, many of them still in print, for how to use drugs to beneficially and dramatically reshape your future. So I want to know, who believes in that? Why or why not?
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Yeah, I can totally see where he wanted to go with that.
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That's brainwashing. Sounds like Charles Manson to me.
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Not really sure I know enough about it to say yes or no.
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LiveByFreedom
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Harmonic_Order]
#5885238 - 07/21/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What leary meant by imprinting i believe is how experiences are imprinted into your brain, i like to think of it as programming. Such as the language you use, all of your habits that have been imprinted into your 'self' since you were a child.
When somebody come's up to you and asks "how are you doing?", you probably have a few set phrases to tell the person, such as "good", "all right", or "okay". It's because you're said such things your whole life, and it's literally been imprinted into your everyday self.
So, you right now consist of all the programming you've had since birth, all of your thoughts.
When you eat high doses of psychedelics your ego, your programmed self is obliterated, dead. This allows for higher consciousness experiences to be imprinted into your brain. The ego death allows your language barriers to break down, completely sometimes i believe.
Have you much experience with psychedelics? Ever eaten what you believe to be a high dose of mushrooms, lsd, whatever, and had your 'ego' die? I can explain it better if you have.
I recommend reading Robert Anton Wilsons trilogy Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1-3, he has a lot to say about this subject.
I don't really know what to say about leary atm.
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LiveByFreedom
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
#5885248 - 07/21/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, you can "undo yourself" without psychedelics, with meditation.
When you've undone your daily programming (which i can see takes many years, but can happen for an indefinite amount of time, instantly with psychedelics) it allows for you to take action, seemingly have free will.
Leary's experiments with the convicts shows this a great deal, have you read much about it?
If you're an angry person all day, every day it gets harder and harder to not get more angry. If you're happy, joyful, humurous all day every day it gets easier and easier to be happier and joyous all day. Therefore if you use energized meditation every day, or use the insight you recieve during psychedelic experiences every day (which should be turned into energized meditation), you can undo your self.
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Harmonic_Order]
#5885316 - 07/21/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Leary is an overrated fool.
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Le_Canard
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Adden]
#5885356 - 07/21/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
S_2 said: Leary is an overrated fool.
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Harmonic_Order
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Le_Canard]
#5891309 - 07/23/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Le boompe
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absolute zero
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Harmonic_Order]
#5891514 - 07/23/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting concept... I really don't know too much about Leary other than general knowledge, but this concept is pretty interesting...
I know I've changed in a few specific ways following realizations I've come to while under the influence of psychedelics.
Feasbible or not, it sounds like an interesting read
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HELLA_TIGHT
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Re: You believe that stuff about imprinting? [Re: Harmonic_Order]
#5891588 - 07/23/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe that the use of psychedelic drugs can teach you many things about the world around you, and how to experience it in different ways. For example, the first time I tripped, I realized how everything is connected, everything we do will create a reaction. They can (sometimes quite forcefully) teach you to stop being self centered.
There are all kinds of lessons that can be taught using psychedelics. Using them "spiritually" doesn't seem right to me, I think spirituality is meant to be pursued while sober.
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