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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5892671 - 07/23/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to sound cynical but I think diseases likes cancer and AIDS, although very depressing is a nature's population control. In Medieval times when there was an overpopulation famine or plague would take place and take care of the overpopulation.


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5892799 - 07/23/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i dunno if anyone touched on this but there is a better reason for population reduction.
which is that since there is no known nessesity for creating life, it is irresponsible, and immoral to subject innocence to suffering.


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5893049 - 07/24/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All populations of beasts, have their blooming periods and then they have there withering periods...Humans will be no different. All ready there has been several mass die offs of humans...BUT........If you are willing to be the first.......

Have your Balls removed......... Start a eunuch revolution. :thumbup:


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5893478 - 07/24/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They can start by making birth control free and handing it out to anyone who is interested >_<


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5893984 - 07/24/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:


We should exist in balance with our planet and its renewable resources. Who cares if we are not so technologically advanced that we can destroy stars that will collide with us? :lol: The last frontier is about to become completely owned by the government, who will be monitoring and tracking everything. Is such complexity necessary? Screw it! Where will you go to express a free thought without fear of retaliation? Where can we go to simply be?






uhhhh...  it seems to me there is a basic conflict here.  You say we need to employ self-control in order to keep from needlessly expending all of our resources, but then you say you want freedom? 

the only way to reduce the population is through some kind of fascist plan to intervene in human nature.  So how can we be free AND survive?  Obviously there must be some kind of compromise, but SOMEONE'S rights are going to have to get trampled. 

So who should be the one to draw the short straw and take one for the team?  A bunch of indigenous peoples who a) don't really contribute much to the problem and b) have been getting trampled for years

OR

a bunch of rich white people who waste vast amounts of resources listening to heavy metal and complaining on the internet to their stoner buddies about how we need to kill some people in order to keep the party going? 

:rofl:


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5894035 - 07/24/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have to agree with you...
Birth Control Pills should be manditory for every woman :smile:

lol jk!!!!

I do think that dumb people multiply (reproduce) at an alarming rate though.


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5894058 - 07/24/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
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fireworks_god said:


We should exist in balance with our planet and its renewable resources. Who cares if we are not so technologically advanced that we can destroy stars that will collide with us? :lol: The last frontier is about to become completely owned by the government, who will be monitoring and tracking everything. Is such complexity necessary? Screw it! Where will you go to express a free thought without fear of retaliation? Where can we go to simply be?






uhhhh...  it seems to me there is a basic conflict here.  You say we need to employ self-control in order to keep from needlessly expending all of our resources, but then you say you want freedom? 

the only way to reduce the population is through some kind of fascist plan to intervene in human nature.  So how can we be free AND survive?  Obviously there must be some kind of compromise, but SOMEONE'S rights are going to have to get trampled. 

So who should be the one to draw the short straw and take one for the team?  A bunch of indigenous peoples who a) don't really contribute much to the problem and b) have been getting trampled for years

OR

a bunch of rich white people who waste vast amounts of resources listening to heavy metal and complaining on the internet to their stoner buddies about how we need to kill some people in order to keep the party going? 

:rofl:




I don't see freedom and self control being in direct conflict.

Right now I am free to drink a bottle of everclear but I have the self control to say, Its barley noon and I got shit to do today and oh yeah, everclear tastes like shit.  :thumbup:


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: Sexychick]
    #5894071 - 07/24/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do think that dumb people multiply (reproduce) at an alarming rate though.

I know what you mean, its like they want to have kids, but its not really suitable conditions, some kids have kids far too young, and alot of it has to do with birth contol,

and then you hear so lame execuse, well it makes me emotional, or gives me cramps, thats your reason why you accidently got pregant, give it up, a birth of child after the fact I guess should be considered a special event but still that doesn't justify your stupid actions, maybe it would've been a wiser choice to actually wait a little while, or some these dumasses have kids because they need somebody to cling to, its living breathing cabbage patch doll, that gives them company, its a joke sometimes how certain circumstances playout


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5894078 - 07/24/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
So who should be the one to draw the short straw and take one for the team?  A bunch of indigenous peoples who a) don't really contribute much to the problem and b) have been getting trampled for years

OR

a bunch of rich white people who waste vast amounts of resources listening to heavy metal and complaining on the internet to their stoner buddies about how we need to kill some people in order to keep the party going? 

:rofl:



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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: capliberty]
    #5894117 - 07/24/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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capliberty said:
and then you hear so lame execuse, well it makes me emotional, or gives me cramps, thats your reason why you accidently got pregant, give it up, a birth of child after the fact I guess should be considered a special event but still that doesn't justify your stupid actions, maybe it would've been a wiser choice to actually wait a little while, or some these dumasses have kids because they need somebody to cling to, its living breathing cabbage patch doll, that gives them company, its a joke sometimes how certain circumstances playout




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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5894259 - 07/24/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Meanwhile wave goodbye to the 'germans'. We have a negative population growth for us, while our amount of people in our country rises. Foreign 'inhabitation'.
We have 'forgotten' to reproduce. It seems, we are self-extincting ourselves by our best.
:bye:


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5894308 - 07/24/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
Meanwhile wave goodbye to the 'germans'. We have a negative population growth for us, while our amount of people in our country rises. Foreign 'inhabitation'.
We have 'forgotten' to reproduce. It seems, we are self-extincting ourselves by our best.
:bye:



Actually, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about.  Germany and various other European countries have reached a standard of living high enough that most people feel safe with just one child, or two at most, leading to either zero population growth or negative population growth.  If the rest of the world had the standard of living enjoyed by the average European, most people would not be having 10 kids.


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5894938 - 07/24/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
uhhhh...  it seems to me there is a basic conflict here.




It seems to me that perhaps your assessment does not reflect the presented material that you are apparently misinterpreting. :shrug:

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  You say we need to employ self-control in order to keep from needlessly expending all of our resources, but then you say you want freedom?




I don't recall referring to self-control in the slightest. Perhaps you could reproduce my statement that did allude to self-control?

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the only way to reduce the population is through some kind of fascist plan to intervene in human nature.




Nature will reduce population on its own. For example, if a certain amount of the population is dependant upon oil for their suvival, as the majority of the population assuredly is, and adequate preperations are not in place for a transition from one resource to another, then that amount of the population will not survive.

Hhhhm... makes sense. :shocked:

Another effective manner in which to reduce the population levels, one which does not rely on facsicm, is to simply not reproduce.  :eek:

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So how can we be free AND survive?  Obviously there must be some kind of compromise, but SOMEONE'S rights are going to have to get trampled.




Only in your skewed concept of how population reduction would occur. Are fascists behind every closet door, my friend? :smirk:

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So who should be the one to draw the short straw and take one for the team?  A bunch of indigenous peoples who a) don't really contribute much to the problem and b) have been getting trampled for years




You've constructed your little strawman and now you are ripping it to shreds, great, you must be very proud of your great ability to defeat straw.  :congrats: 

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a bunch of rich white people who waste vast amounts of resources listening to heavy metal and complaining on the internet to their stoner buddies about how we need to kill some people in order to keep the party going? 




So, let us see here... you've contributed nothing pertaining to this discussion. You've blatantly accused the person presenting a topic for discussion as a fascist in a subtle manner, by declaring "Oh, you are saying that we must do this (wasn't saying we must do this), well, that is fascism, you're a waste of resources who wants to kill people to sustain yourself". Clever trolling, but it certainly doesn't go unnoticed. :lol: If you were worth the time, I'd troll you in return ten-fold, but I simply acknowledge that, at best probability, you are simply someone who has no constructive outlet in life, trying to be cool on the internet with your balls in your hand. :lol:

But then, I do not know you, and am not in a position to propose analysis of your personality. Of course, I have on interest whatsoever in knowing you, so I guess that just prevents the oppurtunity from ever arising... :frown:

Or, perhaps I am assuming too much of you, and you are simply do not have basic reading comprehension abilities, and have a wild imagination with which you jump to baseless conclusions? Either one isn't exactly a pretty picture. :smirk:

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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: Silversoul]
    #5894957 - 07/24/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
pwned




:lol:

I know, right? He certainly called me on that one, omg!

Hey Silversoul, you're a fascist, because like, by saying "pwned", like, only fascists say that, yo. :nonono:

No, when you say that, you are actually saying that, but the only way to do that is to do this, which is fascist to do so!  :eek:

See, and then, after typing all of this stuff up, it makes it look like it was an actual response to what you said, and then I can laugh at you and you're like totally pwned, man. :thumbup:

I think certain individuals need to adjust their medication, or start taking it again... I think the proportion of schizophrenic whackjobs to actual contributors is a bit alarming, hopefully it is not reflective of mushrooms themselves...

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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5895463 - 07/24/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Right on fireworks god


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5895818 - 07/24/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

how do you plan to reduce the population?  ask people nicely?  :lol:


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5897149 - 07/25/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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We need to see a major population reduction in order for this planet to survive and our quality of life to continue. We do not need billions of people on this planet, and this planet cannot support billions of people on this planet.





i havent read this whole thread but i just wanted to say that the world is not over populated, not even close. we studied this topic in my environmental science class last year and it was generally agreed upon by the leading researchers that the earth would have no problem supporting 10 billion people. i'd like to know how you reached the conclusion that the earth couldn't support a population in the billions when it has done so for the past 200 years, even with considerably less than optimal allocation of resources. also, how did determine the number of people we "need"?


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5897153 - 07/25/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As I stated in the first post, my plan for action is for individuals to bring purpose and meaning within themselves. That is all I stated on the matter, and that is all I intend to. I never once proposed or implied any sort of plan for population reduction. You have mockingly proposed fascist plans for population control, I have not, and frankly, it does not surprise me that you have. :shrug:

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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5897247 - 07/25/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Work with bacteria cultures demonstrates that there is a population explosion just before the bacteria consumes all of its resources.




Don't ya just love it when someone compares a single-celled virus to a human?
How can you rationally, make this kind of comparison?

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If we start bringing meaning and purpose within ourselves, that meaning and purpose will not continue to be spread out against the thinnest margin possible.




?what?

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I see no point in amassing huge populations on this planet - what are we striving for with such effort?




People like to live with other people.......thats why people gather in these large cities.

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We should exist in balance with our planet and its renewable resources.




Now we are getting to the real reason for this post......renewable resources.....
(over-population is a myth......another scare tactic, or form of fear-mongering)

Did you know that the human race is working toward that goal of balance?
There are people trying to make ethanol, that will safely run in a car. It wont be long before they can make oil (that will work in your car) from corn.

Just because it isn't main-stream yet, doesn't mean that it won't be main-stream in the future.

Try to see past the mistakes of humanity and look at the good that mankind is trying to do.
If you focus on the negative, that's all you'll be able to see.


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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5897248 - 07/25/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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