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We Do Not Need This Many People
#5891255 - 07/23/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We need to see a major population reduction in order for this planet to survive and our quality of life to continue. We do not need billions of people on this planet, and this planet cannot support billions of people on this planet. Work with bacteria cultures demonstrates that there is a population explosion just before the bacteria consumes all of its resources. What happens after that? 
If we start bringing meaning and purpose within ourselves, that meaning and purpose will not continue to be spread out agansit the thinnest margin possible. I see no point in amassing huge populations on this planet - what are we striving for with such effort?
We should exist in balance with our planet and its renewable resources. Who cares if we are not so technologically advanced that we can destroy stars that will collide with us? The last frontier is about to become completely owned by the government, who will be monitoring and tracking everything. Is such complexity necessary? Screw it! Where will you go to express a free thought without fear of retaliation? Where can we go to simply be?
/rant. 
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891270 - 07/23/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Overpopulation Myths Is the earth becoming overpopulated? It is not a question of the human population outstripping resources, since food production continues to exceed population growth and non-renewable resources become more plentiful each year as new sources are found.
Even in sheer numbers, though, there is growing evidence that the world's population is heading toward stability.
* The growth rate of the world's population appears to have peaked around 1970, when the annual rate of growth was 2.09 percent.
* By 1980, annual population growth was down to 1.73 percent, and by 1990 to 1.7 percent.
* By 1995, the annual increase had slowed even more to 1.5 percent.
What is sometimes meant by overpopulation is overcrowding, or too great a population density. However, population density varies widely. Much of the world's land surface is empty, and many countries with dense populations have a higher standard of living than less crowded countries.
* In 1992, the population of Hong Kong City was approximately 247,501 per square mile, while in New York City it was 11,480 per square mile, and in Houston 7,512.
* If the entire population of the world were put into the land area of Texas, each person would have an area equal to the floor space of a typical U.S. home and the population density of Texas would be about the same as Paris, France.
* In 1988, China had a population of 409 people per square mile and gross domestic product per capita of $320, while Hong Kong, with a population density more than 450 times greater, had a per capita GDP of $8,260.
One reason people are crowded together in cities is because it makes possible many more exchanges and greater specialization of labor, thus increasing living standards.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891334 - 07/23/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Where will you go to express a free thought without fear of retaliation? Where can we go to simply be?
Uh... the mountains? That would be pretty fun 
Grow a big ass beard and build a house out of sticks. Or maybe, roll up patches of grass into bricks and make a house with those. That would be so cool
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Work with bacteria cultures demonstrates that there is a population explosion just before the bacteria consumes all of its resources. What happens after that?
We move on to another planet
Seriously though, I think we will eventually realize that the planet cant support us and we will adapt. If you look at other studies on population curves, you see that after the peak, there is a recession. After which, a stable balance is found. So I think that before we are able to live in harmony with our selves and our planet, there will be a great population loss due to some unforeseen cause.
I think first we have to realize that life has been around a long ass time before we came along. So obviously, there exists enough natural resources to maintain a stable eco-system.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: spud]
#5891336 - 07/23/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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spud said: Is the earth becoming overpopulated? It is not a question of the human population outstripping resources, since food production continues to exceed population growth and non-renewable resources become more plentiful each year as new sources are found.
Food production continues to exceed population growth because food production nowadays depends entirely upon oil. Non-renewable resources become more plentiful each year as new sources are found? Any substantiation for this? The outlook on oil production looks rather grim, and I am not aware of anything that can replace oil and its role as direct support for billions of lives - perhaps cannabis, but I don't see it being produced as such.
One also wonders that, if food production exceeds population growth, then we must be wasting a ton of food, right? I mean, I've noticed that not everyone is living in a cornucopia of dinner oppurtunities... our production of food exceeds population growth, we just don't distribute it to that population? 
It must be amazing, you know, that we keep finding more and more sources for non-renewable resources on this planet. Perhaps oil is infinite? I'm sorry, but it is necessary for you to substantiate this to some degree.
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Even in sheer numbers, though, there is growing evidence that the world's population is heading toward stability.
Great, we need it. Of course, then there is the glaring question of how this stable population of the world will continue to exist and prosper, even as we must make a radical shift in the way our civilization operates when we can no longer rely on oil as we have. It would seem to be an issue that we should be actively working on in this moment... planning ahead and forecasting... not preparing ourselves to fight for the remaining oil. Is this happening?
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What is sometimes meant by overpopulation is overcrowding, or too great a population density. However, population density varies widely. Much of the world's land surface is empty, and many countries with dense populations have a higher standard of living than less crowded countries.
Yes, much of the world's land surface is empty, and much of the world's land surface is not exactly paradise. The desert and the tundra cover much of the land surface on Earth and are empty, but I don't see anyone moving there anytime soon...
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891347 - 07/23/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was simply citing the National Center for Policy Analysis. They tend to know their shit
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891359 - 07/23/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We need to see a major population reduction in order for this planet to survive and our quality of life to continue
Good news! WWIII is right around the corner. All those nukes could be just what we need for a major population reduction.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5891372 - 07/23/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quoiyaien said: Seriously though, I think we will eventually realize that the planet cant support us and we will adapt. If you look at other studies on population curves, you see that after the peak, there is a recession. After which, a stable balance is found. So I think that before we are able to live in harmony with our selves and our planet, there will be a great population loss due to some unforeseen cause.
Precisely. The less amount of oil there is, the more expensive it is to extract, and the more demand there is for the remaining oil. In the meantime, civilization continues to require more and more oil in order to support itself. No doubt, if we are not aware of the necessity of completely restructuring our civilization, how it acts, and how it supports itself, there will great loss of life, as traditional means of supporting life that do not depend on oil will not be able to support life.
The fact that certain areas have denser populations will ensure more loss of population. The area itself is not supporting that dense population, the resources necessary to do so are transported in. Large scale food production has never occured without oil, it has always been dependant on machinery, which, to build, requires oil, and, to operate, requires oil, and even more chemical fertilizers and pesticides, which, you can surely bet, require oil. You cannot grow vegetables on concrete. 
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I think first we have to realize that life has been around a long ass time before we came along. So obviously, there exists enough natural resources to maintain a stable eco-system.
Certainly, and I am one to think that less people will be supported by these natural resources. Human life should be quality, not quantity. The fact that we have expanded this far to a pulse that does not consciously recognize exactly how limited this expansion can be in its present form is sobering, and it, quite possibly, will become incredibly sobering, if we do not take crucial, necessary steps to completely reconstruct our civilization.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: spud]
#5891388 - 07/23/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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spud said: I was simply citing the National Center for Policy Analysis. They tend to know their shit
Then I am sure that they have cited their reasoning to proclaim that we have a plethora of available, non-renewable resources, or their insight into the notion that, while this population exists and it is more dense here and here, it is greatly possible that it is a temporary population supported by temporary resources. 
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5891393 - 07/23/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: Good news! WWIII is right around the corner. All those nukes could be just what we need for a major population reduction.
Quite possible, and one only wonders what the strategic deployment of forces by multiple countries and organizations in once central location could possibly be for. 
Oh, that's right, democracy and terrorism, silly me. 
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891405 - 07/23/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder if the oil companies are working on a substitute? Either that, or they're holding out on hydrogen technology until all the oil dries up. I sure as hell hope that the people in charge arent total fucking jackasses in regards to the potentially problematic nature of this situation. 
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891424 - 07/23/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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spud said: I was simply citing the National Center for Policy Analysis. They tend to know their shit
Then I am sure that they have cited their reasoning to proclaim that we have a plethora of available, non-renewable resources, or their insight into the notion that, while this population exists and it is more dense here and here, it is greatly possible that it is a temporary population supported by temporary resources. 
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Source: Jim Peron, "Exploding Population Myths," Fraser Forum, October 1995, Fraser Institute, 2nd Floor, 626 Bute Street, Vancouver, B. C., V6E 3M1, (604) 688-0221.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891430 - 07/23/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quite possible, and one only wonders what the strategic deployment of forces by multiple countries and organizations in once central location could possibly be for.
Oh, that's right, democracy and terrorism, silly me.
The real terror begins after martial law is declared as a "necessary" response to a "terrorist" attack.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5891461 - 07/23/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out my response to you in my other active thread. We are the ones who have created this, out of simple choices we make in our every day life. We need to start making those choices before this structure will ensure we can no longer make them.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5891500 - 07/23/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The structure is a facade, just like 9/10s of an iceberg is under water and the rest can't be seen.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5892022 - 07/23/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You think too many people live here and you want us to leave?
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5892159 - 07/23/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The planet can easily sustain us all if only we use the information that is available to us. If we switch to better policies, business strategies, and technologies that are already available, sustainability could easily be accomplished. I'm actually reading about it right now, called Natural Capitalism, by Paul Hawken and Amory Lovins. Furthermore, I should point out that fertility rates tend to drop or even out as the standard of living rises, so ending third world poverty would go a long way towards stabilizing the world population.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: Silversoul]
#5892248 - 07/23/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think we will be capable of achieving a rather seamless transition, or are we going to suffer on a considerable level? What do you think needs to change? What are the initial steps we must take?
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5892299 - 07/23/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We need not even need..
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5892317 - 07/23/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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All it takes is people to have one child. I think that isn't much to ask. One child per family and the problem is fixed within a couple of decades.
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Re: We Do Not Need This Many People [Re: fireworks_god]
#5892487 - 07/23/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Do you think we will be capable of achieving a rather seamless transition, or are we going to suffer on a considerable level? What do you think needs to change? What are the initial steps we must take?
 Peace.
I do think it will take somewhat of a crisis for many people to wake up. However, things are gradually changing already. More and more businesses are starting to learn that energy and resource efficiency is more profitable than simple plundering. I can't really say what "initial steps" we must take, because they're already being taken. However, there remains much to be done, much of which involves the rest of the world catching up to some the paradigms that are already being made.
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