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Droz
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Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves?
#5890814 - 07/23/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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To think that when our children reach their adulthood should they take it from there or should parenting always be done no matter what age. Even as a little kid I wasn't guided that much I did it on my own.
Should children be left alone to grow on their own?
Peace, Droz
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5890986 - 07/23/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It really doesn't matter. I don't think it's worth raising children anymore. I think we just all should stop and wait to see what will happen in this century.
I certainly don't plan on having kids right now, because I don't know wheather this world has a safe future, or a future at all.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5891416 - 07/23/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I think they need to make theyr own decisions and choose their own path in life. What parents can do is tech them not to fear life, adventuresa or getting hurt by making them understand that this is something normal and nothing should mutilate their souls or minds. It's an ability that most parents don't have right now and because of that many problems that shouldn't be there occur. Let me give you an exapmle. One child wants to meet friends, hang out, go somewhere. Parents get scared because of what could happen, if something goes wrong or the kid does something "stupid" and they become so overprotective or dominant that bring he child into blur and transimt the fear fever to him. Later in life any decisions that he'll have to take will be done through the lens of fear or take the example and have to many controll issues due to that incertitude. So yes, what parents can do is give them a certain education and teach them stuff they think can kids will need in life, but not interfear in their choises.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#5892605 - 07/23/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Droz - What happens, when you leave your child to find themselves in a world riddled with inforced regime of media, religious and political manipulated circuiting?? Who else is there to piece together the empty fragments of the childs mind? Give them talents, give them skills, hope, dreams, beliefs, virtues, education, wisdom, peace, and spirit? Obviously it's too much for just parents, people all over have unique talents and abilities, but I definately believe we should all help our children and other's children build a safe place in this world. Parents need to be involved, they need to guide their intrests and shape their behavior or else they might get distracted towards less fufilling endevours. It's the primary lessons that last.
MushroomTrip - Thats wise thinking indeed...Yet, there are so many forms of transmitting fear though, other then the expression of personal idocincric fears and behavior reflecting. Abuse can ring through generations... It almost seems that moments of hurt and pain play a more dominant role in the childs development then say the positive side of the spectrum, so it's being carefull with their development and if you can prevent somthing from happening, a parent should introvene.
One thing I remember reading about parenting would be "Never place expectations over a child they will never reach..." = Bad results.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5892809 - 07/23/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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im just copying my reply to another post into this one. the topic was slightly differnt, but my point of view is ecompassing enough.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: BleaK]
#5893120 - 07/24/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah we need mass population control,
I don't care if that sounds selfish,
actually in one generation the population American has increased by 1/3 meaning it rose from 200,000,000 to 300,000,000 in one generation, to me thats a rapid spike to occur from one generation of people,
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5894263 - 07/24/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We all learn from two major sources. Our own experiences and the experiences of others. What we perceive as right from wrong or what we feel is best, etc. Comes from watching others around us. Parents are the first line of learning. We always learn from them even if we only observe.
I don't think there is any real choice to your question. Unless a human is completely raised in a closed box....Your question is pointless. The world is as it is and we live in it.
Besides the 20 years it takes a child to become an adult is not enough time for any real changes in the world. Real change takes decades if not centuries.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5894338 - 07/24/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Both. Build a world for and with us, for and with our children.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5897288 - 07/25/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Droz said: To think that when our children reach their adulthood should they take it from there or should parenting always be done no matter what age. Even as a little kid I wasn't guided that much I did it on my own.
Should children be left alone to grow on their own?
Peace, Droz
That would depend on how you view parenting.
IMO being a parent, is more like a guide, than a manager.
Show the child the basics then let him/her figure it out on their own. If they need assistance, I'm there for them, but I wont intervene (unless it is dangerous). There has to be some house rules though, and punishment for breaking them. This teaches them about responsibility. Suffering the consequences of being irresponsible, is not taught to children much these days. 
Other than that, I see parenting as a fairly non-intrusive job.
The best way to learn is by doing.
By parenting this way, I will always be a parent to my children, no matter how old they get......not a over-lord, but a guide through their life....sharing what Ive learned.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: Droz]
#5897811 - 07/25/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you completely underestimate the effect of 'modeling,' of 'social learning theory' on your own development. One needn't copy everything one's parents do, one can reject a good deal of obnoxious parental influence. Some of it is hard-wired, some of it is nurture. Kids who get hit come to understand that hitting is a way of expressing that you don't like something. It is modeled behavior. No one at home taught the kid to go to school and hit other kids, it's just what he learned through experience. The same is true of kids whose parents can apologize to them. Those kids understand apology as normal.
Miami has lots of socially low-class uneducated transient people. Class is complicated but the 'personality' of the city is one of harshness, rudeness and violence. This translates into driving behaviors. You don't give the finger to people while driving here. People do not honk their horns at one another. There is so much road rage coming from emotion-dominated cultures that have not been encultured with self-restraint, plus the ease of obtaining hand guns, that it's fearful and dangerous to express even ordinary anger without possibly receiving back pathologically inordinate anger. I give you the finger and you shoot me! Miami. This kind of stuff is learned behavior and ignorant people do not want to 'learn' new more culturally acceptable behaviors. That would mean self-development - the beginnings of transcendence.
Bottom line: Actively Parent [verb] Your Children! Twenty years of working with adolescents from over a hundred nations in Miami is behind this statement. Take it or leave it, but you're either part of the problem or part of the solution.
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Re: Is it better to build a world for our children or let our children build it themselves? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5898786 - 07/25/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said: Bottom line: Actively Parent [verb] Your Children!
and, ideally, other people's children. Being a parent is a lot of work for just one or two people. Just because you don't have your own kids doesn't make exempt from the responsibility of trying to improve humanity.
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