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We Need To Produce Again
    #5889311 - 07/22/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is plainly evident to all that Western Civilization is more concerned with being consumers right now than producing stuff, inn'it? Technology has greatly improved the ability we have to accomplish tasks, by automating processes that no longer require the time and effort on our part to accomplish them.

For example, I washed a load of laundry earlier today, and as the water is gushing in and the soap bubbles rising, and as I am tossing in clothing, I think to myself of how much more preferable this is than if I were washing them in a metal tub, by hand, and how much time it is saving me.

The problem, perhaps, is that we have been so overly concerned with freeing up our resources, such as time and effort, that the strive has become unconscious, and exists as the heartbeat of our society. What are we doing with that extra time and energy? Why did we want that time in the first place?

I think we end up consuming, eh? I'm trying to get into the habit of planning and preparing my own meals, as opposed to buying frozen pizza, fast food, and all of the waste that comes with it (lack of nutrition, trash and refuse from packaging and such, lack of experience).....

Personally, I appreciate technology and all that it provides us, and yet I think we originally strived to develop technology so that we would not be so caught up in the struggle to accomplish basic processes necessary for our survival in order for us to become more aware of the overall experience. Sure, one could exchange an hour of time for five minutes worth of effort to cook a frozen pizza, but why? The experience of preparing one's own meal and the clockwork of taking care of the dishes and etc. can be quite a fufilling experience, and it will provide more nutrition and benefit to you anyways.

Ya'll feeling this, niggas? :smirk:

I'm going to go cook some Tuna Helper. :lol: Hey, I have no money and have to make due with what I have, and its a start from Mc Donald's and Jack's pizza. :lol: I can't wait until I'm at least cooking the pasta and preparing the sauces and meats myself, perhaps even making my own noodles? I look forward to really bringing a center back into my kitchen and all it represents. :thumbup:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889333 - 07/22/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I know the feelings.. You know what I used to like? Elbow noodles w/ tomato soup... W/ water or w/ out.. It's my grown up spaghetti o's lol no. it's cheap easy and quick and even when I am not broke.. Its still my favorite :smile:

Back to the subject. It's funny b/c I was just having this discussion w/ my other... Why is it society is constantly trying to get something for nothing.. more for less... not quality quantity... how can I make more money.. greed greed greed. Then they get to the top have the house the car money and everything they want.. yet work 24/7 and never go on their private lake and enjoy there satellite TV? Is it they enjoy work that much and the extra material things are a reward?

All we do is keep inventing ways to allow ourselves to be lazy. I want to push a button and get exactly what I want... THE EASY BUTTON DOESN'T EXIST. And what gets me.. these people.. I want to have a dish washer so I don't just do the dishes as they are made and rinse them off so bacteria aren't fraternizing in my sink... I want to load them in a cabinet so I can push a button and it cleans.. meanwhile I load old dishes into my sink so all the bacteria can play in water and get me and my pets/ children sick.. Laziness..> And then I am going to complain about being fat.. even though I bought the rider lawn mower instead of the push one... And when I am hungry I drive to McDonald's Instead of cooking here.... But I can blame society for my fat/ laziness... that's easier than realizing I am lazy and making excuses and not taking responsibility because I refuse to admit I make decisions... I decided what mower, and where to eat.. That is why I am fat.. Not because MC Donald's is greasy... UGH>. sorry I used to be like that... sore subject :frown:


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889334 - 07/22/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also, look at how specialized everything is. Instead of a person buying the stuff to make noodles, the seeds for plants to grow herbs, obtaining some milk, fresh vegetables, etc., we now have a company with a plant in this part of the country making the "sauce packet" with the noodles being produced by robots in this factory with it all being packaged in this assembly line. The person simply throws the shit together in some water and throws away the package for everything, the one for the noodles themselves, and then the one with the sauce packet inside of it. :lol:

Perhaps if we brought more balance into our lives and in our homes, society would not become so complex to the point where no one has a sense of meaning or purpose?

Its simple, we need to give ourselves purpose, right in our immediate lives - the way we experience reality. We should start providing for ourselves and utilize technology to simply assist us. I think that, in finding this simple balance in our every day life, cooking one's own food and enjoying every minute of it, a center will develop, a practice that directly benefits oneself and one's family for the enjoyment of oneself and one's family. Perhaps a lot of the complex specialization will ease back a bit, and we won't be so out of control everywhere all the fucking time? :grin:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889343 - 07/22/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep... How can I get this done with the least amount of effort? Laziness...>>>> all laziness... But not only is it laziness but also attachment to material things... Why is it important to make machines that make me these boxes of noodles and sauce? Is it the simple concept of I can pick up a box and make it? I don't have to pick up the noodles and cook them and pick up a second box to make the sauce? Boxes upon boxes of processed shit... In all our cub bards.. why?? because we are lazy... I am lazy too. I make the box of noodles even though I can make them homemade w/ flour eggs n milk. But how far do we take it? Do we need to grow our wheat to make our flour? What point is technology OK to take advantage of? Do I need to use fire to cook and not my store? I never ends.. The never ending circle of FUCK! ?*?*


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889363 - 07/22/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, personally, I wouldn't even mind having a dishwasher. I enjoy doing dishes, for the most part, and I used to do it as a teenager for money, but not having to exert so much effort will give me more time and energy to focus on preparing a meal, enjoying the meal and its preperation, even planning future meals or shopping for the ingredients. Less strain on my wrists, and the oppurtunity to bring more focus and awareness into the art of life. More time for guitar playing as well. :grin:

But that's just it, I don't think many people really have a constructive, meaningful, routine activity that provides for oneself in such a necessary way as giving oneself nutrition and something to gnaw on that they are consciously performing... drawing a line that exclaims "This is one activity that I could delegate to technology and society, something that I need not concern myself with, but can yet still reap the benefits of it, but I am not going to, because I enjoy performing the process myself, and enjoy the fufillment I derive from turning a basic activity into living, aware art.".

We certainly do not need to do everything ourselves, but we need to have a center. At work, I am looking forward to working with the associate that was just hired on for my department - I will be able to instill within him an understanding of my department as a system, what the system performs, what processes are carried out to produce the system, and the role that he will play in that. That way, regardless of what he does in the department, or in the store as a whole, will be with an exact understanding of what is being accomplished by doing so. Thus, he will play a more effective role in furthering the system.

Working with someone in such a manner will then alleviate time and effort of my own that were previously required to perform those processes, leaving myself to focus on aspects of the system that only I am responsible for - staying in-stock, ensuring the proper execution of the inventory system, planning and forecasting and acting accordingly, etc.

Technology enables us to pursue a higher task, a function of increased importance, a more enlightened, higher path, but without that center, the awareness of the exact nature of this, then one is simply floating aimlessly, which is not beneficial with such a complex, mesh network of interaction supporting oneself, now is it? :mushroom2:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889383 - 07/23/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"At work, I am looking forward to working with the associate that was just hired on for my department - I will be able to instill within him an understanding of my department as a system, what the system performs, what processes are carried out to produce the system, and the role that he will play in that. That way, regardless of what he does in the department, or in the store as a whole, will be with an exact understanding of what is being accomplished by doing so. Thus, he will play a more effective role in furthering the system."

Interesting...at the places I have always worked I told new hires that they were fucked, that nobody gives a shit, and to abandon all hope at the front door. Maybe your on to something here.


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889391 - 07/23/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome answer. That's kind of the lines I was thinking. I use technology to my advantage when I see it fit. I try not to use technology to my advantage when I come to things that help me gain weight... Part of how I lost a small child worth of weight.. But My entire goal and how I use technology is to make me money. I make money so I am stable. Then I can spend time doing things I like and learning about things I enjoy. I am on a constant path of fixing everything. I find something and I have to make it better. People, and everything in general. That is why my last night was spent talking to a bum with no hope. I gave him a new perspective. I always find my self wanting to help everyone and make everything better. I think they should have a syndrome name for this... oh yeah.. LOL its OCD and being a perfectionist. Well at least I make other's lives better. :smile:


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889427 - 07/23/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It seems that some people have no clear or realized purpose for living and try to fill this void, or escape it, by devoting themselves to accumulating all sorts of neat shit and watching television in their spare time.

Usually, these people seem very unhappy and I don't think this is a coincidence. If you act like a mindless zombie, you're probably going to feel like one. If you eat shitty food constantly, you'll probably feel shitty (eventually). I don't know why people fall into these unfulfilling habits. Maybe they don't realize they could be happier if they just tried?


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5889440 - 07/23/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

life is simple

do what you want


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5889448 - 07/23/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What is your purpose? I live to live and try to help others while doing what I want.

Actually I find that for the first time now that I have giving up the attempts to find happiness and try to be happy I am happier. I make positive decisions and take responsibility for my actions. This give me a sense of intelligence and worth. Allowing your true self to be and letting go of the constant need to try to do things is hard. After you let go of trying to do everything, and always thinking about what/ how to talk you will be happier. Once I stopped always trying to think about how to say this and think of how to do that life became easier. I put trust in myself and my knowledge. I don't sit her and think about what I am going to type. I think and the thoughts move my fingers. I don't think about how I am going to grow mushrooms. I know I am going to do it and my mind/ body allow me to do it and do it well.. Think about it. How much time do you think about how to do this or say that? At least 30-45 seconds before you speak you sit there thinking about what to say... Add up how many times you talk... OK thats just how much time you spending thinking about what to say.. not actually saying anything. Half the time if found myself saying things that still didn't make any sense.. "why cant i just f*^@*ing think and talk and not sit her and get frustrated?" Once I realized I could let that go. I slept. Woke up and was able to talk.. Weird but true.


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5889906 - 07/23/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I'm at home I eat simple stuff like milkshakes (using soy milk), bread and fruits and vegetables. I eat rice a lot too.

I agree that cooking for yourself very good dishes can be rewarding (and much better than store bought). But it can be a bit overwhelming, for me at least. I end up making a huge mess with tons of dishes to clean.

The only thing I make nowadays is pie, which seems to be worth the effort cleaning up afterwards.

But for your other point that people are basically speeding down the roads and running yellow light with nowhere to go... just to get more consuming done. I agree with you whole heartedly on that.

I see way too many people willing to try some new product or watch tv than to go for a hike or do something that's essentially free. Like enjoying someone else's company or playing sports, swimming, shit like that.

PS - If you can make a good pizza you will become insanely popular with all your friends.


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5890089 - 07/23/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

From my experience a person can only be truly productive if they are working for themselves in a venture that when finished has created something of meaningful value that wasn't there before they started.

Working at Wal-Mart, while it pays the bills, is not being productive. Everything about Wal-Mart and all the other stores that sell all the cheap Chinese etc. goods is truly counterproductive to everyone. To pay basically slave labor wages to somebody in Asia and burn all that fuel in shipping costs for materials and finished products back and forth from China so that someone in the U.S. can be out of a high paying manufacturing job and have to settle for minimum wages at Wal-Mart where they become part of the consumer/credit card/debt situation is counterproductive.

Real productivity is doing things like gardening where one is personally involved and resources are produced and not wasted. Compare growing some beautiful fresh lettuce or vine ripened tomatoes in your garden versus buying some wilted storebought lettuce that a diesel truck drove up from Mexico or some rock hard tasteless hot house tomatoes grown in some factory in Canada and driven to your store by yet another truck.

Still, how many of us can afford to buy the land and resources required to raise enough food when many of us are struggling to make payments on that new Hyundai that we need to drive to work at Wal-Mart? Precious few. People routinely get trapped in situations where they become part of the consumption "machine" and therefore perpetuate the problem. The bigger the companies driving the machine, such as Wal-Mart, the bigger the problem becomes.


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5890240 - 07/23/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i love cooking. almost every meal i eat is something that i've prepared.
and pretty much what you've said is what i say to myself.

'i could put this pizza in the oven and be just as full without cooking anything'
'yeah, but what are you going to do with the spare time you gain from beign lazy?'
'i dunno...watch tv?'
'that's what i thought...get your ass in the kitchen'


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5890803 - 07/23/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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adjust said:
But for your other point that people are basically speeding down the roads and running yellow light with nowhere to go... just to get more consuming done. I agree with you whole heartedly on that.




I speed down the road and occasionally run yellow lights in a fantastic manner, but not so as to get more consuming done, but simply to save more time for other things. :grin: I'm not rushing home to consume the television or anything. :lol:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5890836 - 07/23/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In the future you will not have to cook you will have a robot that cooks for you. Robots will take care of all the work and the main people who are behind it all will be programmers.


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5890905 - 07/23/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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From my experience a person can only be truly productive if they are working for themselves in a venture that when finished has created something of meaningful value that wasn't there before they started.




Well, if we wish to get technical, one is productive whenever one is engaged in activity in which one is involved in creating goods or services.

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Working at Wal-Mart, while it pays the bills, is not being productive.




Exerting effort to perform processes and accomplish tasks is being productive. :wink:

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  Everything about Wal-Mart and all the other stores that sell all the cheap Chinese etc. goods is truly counterproductive to everyone.




Even Mc Donald's is productive, it produces something, no? What is being discussed here is the consuming done by individuals, who have delegated producing their own meal to a company such as Mc Donald's. Personally, I have come to the point at which I am consciously striving to be more productive, to accomplish more things myself, and to play an increased role in occurences around me, directly as the result of being employed. I've been given the oppurtunity to be responsible for shit that I would not be just by sitting at home, and I have learned a lot about myself, others, and life itself by seizing this oppurtunity and applying myself. I'm growing and developing because of this. The thought of such an oppurtunity being truly counterproductive to everything and everyone is truly baffling. :wtf:

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  To pay basically slave labor wages to somebody in Asia and burn all that fuel in shipping costs for materials and finished products back and forth from China so that someone in the U.S. can be out of a high paying manufacturing job and have to settle for minimum wages at Wal-Mart where they become part of the consumer/credit card/debt situation is counterproductive.




Take it up with the government and its laws that govern free trade. Surely a company will take advantage of a productive oppurtunity when it is available - if that oppurtunity should not be available, then it is the responsibility of the government to make adjustments in its laws, which means it is the responsibility of the individuals to prompt their government to do so.

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Real productivity is doing things like gardening where one is personally involved and resources are produced and not wasted.  Compare growing some beautiful fresh lettuce or vine ripened tomatoes in your garden versus buying some wilted storebought lettuce that a diesel truck drove up from Mexico or some rock hard tasteless hot house tomatoes grown in some factory in Canada and driven to your store by yet another truck.




No, real productivity is scrubbing one's clothes for hours in a steel tub. "Real" productivity is walking for hours and hours. "Real" productivity is chopping one's own wood for fuel.

Specialization of tasks and applying technology in that specialization has no inherent, negative attributes. We could sit here and debate what "true" productivity is - while we are at it, do you pluck your own chickens? :smirk:

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Still, how many of us can afford to buy the land and resources required to raise enough food when many of us are struggling to make payments on that new Hyundai that we need to drive to work at Wal-Mart?  Precious few.  People routinely get trapped in situations where they become part of the consumption "machine" and therefore perpetuate the problem.  The bigger the companies driving the machine, such as Wal-Mart, the bigger the problem becomes.




Please, being alive implies being a part of society and its infastructure. One starts with one's position in life and the situation that one is, and then one begins to make change from that. One has to accept reality for what it is and work towards making change that is relative to oneself. I believe basic ingredients are available to us to make our meals, and I even believe we have the oppurtunity to grow our own vegetables, if we wish to do so. Perhaps other people have decided that, while they may enjoy reaping the benefits from growing their own garden, they simply prefer to concentrate on other things. :shrug:

The fact remains that, even if one was entirely "off the grid", one is still paying taxes, and so they are still contributing to this "consumption machine", eh? I am promoting a gradual, subtle change that will eventually bring us to a point where we are mostly off the grid. If I start preparing my own meals, and that person over there does as well, check it out, that is less business that Mc Donald's is getting, they will adjust and play a lesser role in society. Great!

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5891292 - 07/23/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The Tostitos Chips Bag said:
Or perhaps its the chance to connect with people you care about over a taste you love.

For these reasons and more, TOSTITOS Tortilla chips help make everyday occasions a little more special.




Please, there are plenty of beneficial oppurtunities to connect with others and share moments with them than to buy your fucking shit. :lol:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5891312 - 07/23/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Even McDonald's is productive, it produces something, no?

Sure, even if McDonald's produces "food" that increases your risk of heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure and strokes, it still is productive. The last McBiscuit with Sausage and Egg I ate sure produced a lot of discomfort in my belly. Cooking the sausage might have helped.

Making cigarettes is productive for the tobacco companies, their employees and stockholders, while being counterproductive to the smokers who are addicted and later die of lung cancer.

Making bombs is productive for the defense companies, their employees and stockholders, and perhaps valuable to the countries who drop them, but counterproductive to the civilians of Lebanon, Iraq, etc. who are getting them dropped on them.

Specialization of tasks and applying technology in that specialization has no inherent, negative attributes. We could sit here and debate what "true" productivity is - while we are at it, do you pluck your own chickens?

I disagree. The specialization of tasks makes people more dependent on others to survive. Also, specialists by definition are more narrow minded than generalists are. Specialists tend to not see the forest and the approaching bear because they are focusing on the bark of a specific tree. I view both the dependency and tunnel vision as negatives due to specialization.

I don't have any chickens to pluck yet but raising some chickens for fresh eggs and meat is in my plans. It won't be productive moneywise or timewise because the cost of chickens, feed, shelter, and taking care of them will far exceed the cost and be more work than driving to the supermarket to buy some two week old hormone infested white eggs or the "meat" they sell as "chicken".


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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5891436 - 07/23/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with all of your points that you have expressed. I was once interested in raising chickens as a child and we had a few. Also, the cost of raising chickens shouldn't be that exorbitant, even if it is a little more than simply buying the eggs, but they are apples and oranges and cannot be compared (for reasons that you have stated). Simply grow some corn as well, that will offset the cost of chicken feed, and the real way of looking at it is this: the money you are spending on feed is money you are spending on your feed. :lol:

My point regarding these companies and such was that they are technically producing, regardless of what is being produced. They are simply taking advantage of the oppurtunity to produce for someone that will not - they arose naturally and as the result of our choice.

I am proclaiming that, if we all begin to make the choice to produce more ourselves, especially in ways that benefit ourselves in a more aware experience, ways that offer more fufillment, then that oppurtunity will not be there for others to be counterproductive. I am saying that, if we want to take a step back to a time in which we are satisfied and are not pushing all of our own oppurtunties to others, so we can stop this fucking madness, then we can just assume responsibility for taking care of more stuff of our own. :shrug:

We give them all of our power over us by giving them our power. We've created a complex architecture as a means to support ourself by making the decision to not support ourself. Thus, we are dependant to that structure, and others who govern that structure thus have power over us.

They can't force us to buy a product, but believe that they are working to the point at which they can. We are human beings, not a system that profits from human beings. As human beings, we are the ones making the choice of what we are. Eh? :cool:

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Re: We Need To Produce Again [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5891452 - 07/23/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The problem with choice is that to many people that means whether they will eat at McDonald's or Burger King, and what TV show they will watch when they get home.  :grin:


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