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Yes or No?
#5889076 - 07/22/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you?
I think that gods (and Christian God) are formed from fables and the uneducated trying to figure things out. That's just my opinion...
What if there are God(s) that can be explained by science? Are they still Gods if the "miracles" they preform isn't magic?
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5889389 - 07/23/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is way more complicated than what you might suppose.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5889395 - 07/23/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some things lie outside of our reason.
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No I believe when you die ur in the dirt
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the dirt is after death and before life.
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Mythology and Most Early religions were used to explain scientific events (moon and sun setting, seasons) that they could not explain. Later it was a way for governments (people in power) to prevent chaos in their society and give people a reason to live/ die.
The one's that focus on people and spirituality as a whole (indigenous cultures and Buddhism) and bettering one's self and their community are the religions that have lasted. Even though they are Not really the same as Religions but are ways of thinking and being spiritual to me.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: malarki]
#5892865 - 07/23/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes there is to way too much involved with life as we know it for it all to be just a huge accident. It's statistically impossible. So even if you can explain and convince yourself to believe that every form of life has evolved from proteins in primordial ooze that were exposed to lightning, thus creating the first single cell life form (that is the current theory), how did lightning come about, or the particles that created the "big boom", atheism is a joke IMOP, an easy way to avoid pondering the things we can never know. It goes against the actual laws of science it supposedly holds true to. Take the laws of thermo dynamics; the law of entropy states that all systems decay or break down over time, not evolve. It takes every bit as much faith to believe there is no god as it does to believe there is
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5893516 - 07/24/06 04:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that our sience is not yet evolved enough to explain god.
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capliberty said: No I believe when you die ur in the dirt
Why? What made you come to that preclusion?
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5893522 - 07/24/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I don't need to believe, I know." -Carl Jung
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5893612 - 07/24/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I believe in God. There was a time in my 20,s, when I stopped, but have come back to believe. If I didnt I would have given up hope many years ago.
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Triplexiosis said: I think that our sience is not yet evolved enough to explain god.
I don't think science will ever evolve enough to explain god. If there was a systematically clean way of explaining the events that go on then there wouldn't be faith in anything. If science proved something then we could anticipate the works of "divinity".
What once people thought God or a dragon was angry and sent fireballs down to burn a village, now we can see a meteor shower and can reasonably explain it.
Though, if you meet the love of your life through a series of "too good to be true" events and I guess you could analyse it. How reasonable would that analysis be?
You could be lost wandering around a good bit of your life and just happen to come across something that would change your whole perspective of everything around you. This happened to me and I don't believe in religion but I do believe in god or that there is a god or a spirit of certain aspects of life. I have no idea and if I try to work against them, they will do me in. Then again it could be all in my head. I could have a standard of understanding things around me and anything that pertains to nature and just comes out clean and crisp is the truth while those who talk with a assertiveness and, while may be natural liers, you can sense there's something amiss. Even if you go through with it and are scammed, you know there was something wrong, even though subtle.
Anyways, you'd go crazy trying to explain god, but I believe if you know yourself and where you came from and what makes you what you are today then that's more than any religion can offer. If the glove fits, wear it... Don't fight yourself. Social norms and books like the bible, taken literally, are not healthy for you to just to conform to a norm.
Find a way to be free, because we are certainly not with the way today's society affects us.
We didn't come out of a concrete jungle. We didn't have cars to get around. We didn't get fruit in the middle of January or almonds in july just like that. Those are all seasonal and served a purpose for the season they were cropped. Nature takes care of us and while we take advantage of nature... and it's sad.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5895003 - 07/24/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should never rely on science for the explanation of something that only can be explained by experience. Once people turn to themself they will find the answeres they are looking for. Do not let others guid you, let them inspire you. You hold all the answers.
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twelvelookslikeu said: You should never rely on science for the explanation of something that only can be explained by experience.
Such would then only apply to one's personal experience, and nothing more. Beliefs pertaining to one's personal experience are great, but the moment that belief is made to also pertain to anything beyond one's experience, as beliefs in god often are, then the belief is entirely baseless and irrelevant.
Sure, feel whatever the hell you want, and tell yourself that it is God, but the moment you say that God caused this to happen or whatever, fuck you, you're wrong, you have no substantation for that baseless assertion.
And that is how it works. 
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i have no idea
i won't until i do.
unfortunately this complicates my life. i guess i should just trust what i've been shown or told.
i.e. we are all GOD.... it was such a fleeting experience, but I did ask for it, and did receive it.
also apparently sleep is a good way to tap into your higher consciousness.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: leery11]
#5895285 - 07/24/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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WOW! Well let me correct myself its not all in experience it also involves alot of faith. Wait fuck this! Every time I try to say something on this fucking forum I get someone who wants to start an argument. Is that all you people do is sit around and wait for someone to say something that goes against what you believe and rat them out. You know what the truth is know one knows shit haha. Neither do I.
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
Apparently it troubles you that others hold different viewpoints than your own, and are willing to address different aspects of your own viewpoints in manners that they deem necessary?
Its called engaging in discussion; this is not the fluffy forum. Your assessment of the situation probably reveals more about yourself than what is actually occuring. I guess I can't blame you for not realizing what forum you were posting in before you did so, though, right? 
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i'm not arguing with you dude. not sure who that's directed at.
to me i just.... faith in what? The Christians don't seem to be conducting themselves like enlightened beings would, whereas the Budhists and Taoists are much more "Christ-like" to me.
faith ? Well, why? I would like Jesus to be real, But I'd also like for us to all be manifestations of God, capable of accessing our own divinity by going inward, and I'd prefer the God who doesn't have a torture chamber in his basement... eh? Those Christian authors sure have written some evil things... don't see how it can possibly work that way in such a vengeant manner.
of course they will argue well no he loves you, you do it to yourself? Well I dunno.
agnosis
a state of not knowing. I don't think many of us know anything, so what can you do?
if Jesus reads this then please set me straight. I've prayed a lot and keep being led away from you dude.....
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: leery11]
#5895365 - 07/24/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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leery11 said: to me i just.... faith in what?
No, dude, fuck this! Don't converse!
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huh? converse? with whom?
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: leery11]
#5895368 - 07/24/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone. Didn't you read this thread? Everyone only wants to argue, and we sit around waiting for people to "rat them out". Duh.
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Yea your right I didnt read that. Sorry. I just don't understand why people can ever actually take a moment and think about what someone is trying to say. That is what I think is wrong with the people today. They dont have enough of an open mind. They are so narrow minded that they cant help but act they way they do. The get a sort of high when they are in an argument with someone trying to prove who is right that they blind themself to what the other person is trying to say. This is what happened with Jesus. And yes you can blame me cuz yea I didn't read the thing.
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HAhaha you guys must have got really fired up from what i said cuz you guys kept going on about that one in like 4 more post while i was typing one haha. No it wanst directed to you leery
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twelvelookslikeu said: I just don't understand why people can ever actually take a moment and think about what someone is trying to say.
How do you know exactly how much time people are spending thinking about what others are expressing?
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And yes you can blame me cuz yea I didn't read the thing.
So, ultimately, then, you never took a moment to read, let alone think about what others were trying to say? 
Loosen up and have a sense of humor, its not that bad here. We have the license to disagree with others, to propose alternate points of view, to express similarities and differences in perspective. This is not a negative thing, it is entirely beneficial to the development of those who can maintain themselves.
Ideas need to be exchanged in such a manner.
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twelvelookslikeu said: HAhaha you guys must have got really fired up from what i said cuz you guys kept going on about that one in like 4 more post while i was typing one haha. No it wanst directed to you leery
You are just an incredibly slow poster, and we always have to laugh it up when someone expresses being upset with the way this forum is designed to run. 
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I did have a sense of humor I wrote "Haha"
When i was saying that people don't think long enough about what others are expressing I wasn't meaning here on the forum. I said People not people on this forum. Yea I guess arguing is kinda fun.
Yep I just shit my pants so you guys can start arguing about what it smells like.
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twelvelookslikeu said: When i was saying that people don't think long enough about what others are expressing I wasn't meaning here on the forum. I said People not people on this forum.
Then, you just mentioned it, completely out of the blue? You certainly do not seem to make a lot of sense.
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Yea maybe I should stop. Im not very good at saying anything. Im serious im not being sarcastic.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: theuser]
#5895456 - 07/24/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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twelvelookslikeu said:They get a sort of high when they are in an argument with someone
And he spoke and his word was law for it was truth.
This is a fascinating phenomenon of the forums(all forums). People who post on forums frequently are often unsocial, which is why they are on a forum and not out in the world (i.e. Me). Being alone leads to ego-inflation due to lack of competing opinions. Large ego makes a person look at other people and their ideas as "needing correction" because otherwise they must deflate to make room for everyone else. Thus, you are in for a hell of a smack down for even the smallest deviation, even and especially among drug users.
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Your in for a big one Terillius! I see it comming! But your soo right!
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twelvelookslikeu said: You should never rely on science for the explanation of something that only can be explained by experience. Once people turn to themself they will find the answeres they are looking for. Do not let others guid you, let them inspire you. You hold all the answers.
Amen.
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Re: Yes or No? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5898962 - 07/25/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hrm, pretty even poll. Interesting
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