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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: trendal]
    #5885212 - 07/21/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Brief facts about the origin of the Palestinian Refugees

By Niv Nissenson, 18 Jan 2002

niv@nissenson.com

Student of History and Political Science at Tel-Aviv University

The land of Israel was virtually deserted when the first Jewish immigrants arrived, most of the places they settled were filled with swamps and infested with malaria. All of the lands that these brave pioneers settled were lawfully purchased from local Arab residents. The arrival of Jews in the Middle East with money caused many Arab from distant countries to come to Palestine in order to work.

It is a little known fact that many of the so-called 1948 refugees weren't actually born in Palestine .The United Nations definition of "Palestinian refugee" is as follows: "Palestine refugees are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict" This definition of a refugee also covers " the descendants of persons who became refugees in 1948."1 In contrast of the United Nations definition of a “normal” (everybody else) "refugee" which is as follows:” owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country."2 In an amazing definition a Palestinian refugee is vastly different than a "normal" refugee.

All the "Palestinians" dislocated in 1948 have not been resettled (like millions of real refugees around the world) in order to make a basis for pressure against Israel. The local Arab peoples were occupied for centuries by the Turks and had no national movement until the arrival of the British. In order for the Zionist movement to get the Balfour deceleration, local Jewish settlers in Palestine helped the allies in the first world war (the NILI underground). Sadly the British did not fulfill their promise and under Arab pressure they cut the Jewish immigration significantly. The Jewish inhabitants continued to prosper and expand by buying land for good money. No colonialism.

In 1947 there were 600,000 Jews is Palestine, The United Nations drafted a resolution dividing the land between the Arab and the Jews. The Jewish leadership accepted the U.N. proposal and the Arab rejected it. The Palestinians made no move in order to jump-start their own country in the remainder of the territory. When the British mandate was over the Jews declared independence and the formation of Israel (after nearly 2000 years in exile). The Palestinian didn't declare anything but war, along with the rest of the Arab world. During the war there were no organized deportation of the local Arab population, no acts of massacre by the Israeli side (it's important that we remember that we are talking about only 3 years after WW2 which we all know that the allies killed thousands of civilians). The local Arab inhabitants left their houses because of fear of Israeli reprisals furthermore they were asked to leave by their allies who promised them that after the victory they'll take their homes back along with the Jewish property (68% of the Arabs that left did so with ever encountering an Israeli soldier)3. The Arabs who didn't leave were not harmed and even received Israeli citizenship. The Israeli Arab people are the freest and prospering Arabs in the Middle East. After the war the Arabs deported the Jews that lived for centuries in their countries and confiscated their property (mainly in Iraq). As for the Palestinians in the West Bank, they were actually occupied by their brothers the Jordanians, They never asked them to form their own state in the west bank (important note the majority of the population of Jordan are in fact Palestinian, and I hear no problems with that).

Actually during the time of the Balfour declaration Jordan was a part of Palestine and a part of the declaration. So in fact the land was spilt and 2/3 were given to the Arabs and a 1/3 to the Jews. Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East. Israel is surrounded by countries that are all military dictatorships with totalitaric regimes. That's the truth.

Sources:

1. http://www.un.org/unrwa/index.html (The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East UNRWA)- Palestine Refugee-

2. http://www.unhcr.ch/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/home (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees UNHCR) –The “Normal” defenition for refugee-

3. Peters Joan “From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict over Palestine” Hebrew release:
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1988 (Regarding the leaving of the Arabs in 1948 war)

1 The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees

http://www.netanyahu.org/brieffacabor.html

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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started ... [Re: MAIA]
    #5885229 - 07/21/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Based on MIAI's logic, we should restore Nazi Germany and the WWII Japanese government since we illegally invaded those countries and changed their governments. Islam is far worse than Nazism or the WWII Japanese. We have a moral obligation to invade all Islamic theocracies, kill all Islamic terrorists and the Islamic leaders and make their countries into democracies with freedom of religion and all the other western freedoms free people deserve.

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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5885249 - 07/21/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Jews lived in Palestine from around 1200 BC-135 AD. Islam isn't created until the 7th century AD. Yeah I'd say Jews calling it their home is fairly accurate.




It's not like Arabs magically came into existence in the 7th century. But anyway, I don't see any point in lamenting over an unmoveable past. Historically both Jews and Arabs haved lived in the Holy Land, and even if there was an element of criminality in the original Israeli nationalist movement, the later generations should not be held accountable - and that goes for Israel too, who has ardently since day one refused to even romance the 1967 threshold.


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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: Basilides]
    #5886958 - 07/22/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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for Israel too, who has ardently since day one refused to even romance the 1967 threshold.




I would say that that is not quite correct. They gave the Sinai back to Egypt, they left Lebanon, and just recently created a new nation in the Gaza strip, (I wonder why they didn't just give it back to Egypt. Could it possibly be that Egypt wasn't interested in repatriating these assholes?) with ongoing discussions regarding the West Bank. They seem to have no interest in giving the Golan Heights back to the Iranian puppet Syria, and I don't blame them. So your characterization is rather counterfactual.


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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5887899 - 07/22/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm talking about pre-1967 Jerusalem. This is a stupid religious conflict afterall.


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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: Basilides]
    #5888229 - 07/22/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
I'm talking about pre-1967 Jerusalem. This is a stupid religious conflict afterall.






From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)
There are two types of Jihad against the Kuffar

1- Offensive Jihad
2- Defensive Jihad

1- Offensive Jihad is when the Muslims launch an offensive attack. If this attack is on the Kuffar who have previously received the message of Islam, then to call them towards Islam before commencement of the attack is considered preferable.

However, if the message of Islam has not reached them, then the Kuffar will be invited towards Islam. If they reject this true faith, then they will have to pay Jizyah (Kufr tax). If they refuse to submit to the payment of Jizyah then the Muslims are to fight against them. With this type of Jihad the Kuffar who plot against the Muslims are repelled and their hearts are filled with fear, so that they do not succeed in their plans.

The offensive Jihad is Fardh Kifayah, the purpose of which is to ensure the Kuffar remain terrorised and away from mischief, thereby, allowing the message of Islam to be conveyed without any obstructions.

If one group of Muslims fulfil this obligation then it will be sufficient on behalf of all Muslims, but if there are no Muslims fulfilling this obligation then everyone is considered sinful.

It is stated in Fatawa Shami: It is required of the Imam (leader) of the Muslims to dispatch the army routinely once or twice a year towards the Kufr countries. It is also the duty of the Muslim public to assist the Imam in this noble cause. If the Imam does not send an army, then he will considered sinful.

The majority of Jihad undertaken at the time of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was within the category of offensive Jihad.

The Quran has called upon the Muslims to undertake the offensive Jihad and when this obligation is satisfactorily fulfilled there would be no apparent need for the defensive Jihad.

When Muslims neglect this important obligation then they are subjected to the defensive Jihad and this has become, with regret, widely common in our time.


http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: Luddite]
    #5888238 - 07/22/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Read more here.

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html


Also, don't forget that fundamentalist muslims believe the only guarantee they get to go to heaven is dying in jihad.



The book Islam and Terrorism by Mark Gabriel:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0884198...glance&n=283155

Some pages from Mark Gabriel's book (need Adobe Acrobat Reader):


http://home.ripway.com/2005-6/328030/Mark%20Gabriel/Chapter4.pdf 206KB

http://home.ripway.com/2005-6/328030/Mark%20Gabriel/Chapter5.pdf 124KB

http://home.ripway.com/2005-6/328030/Mark%20Gabriel/DeceitChapter6.pdf 101KB

http://home.ripway.com/2005-6/328030/Mark%20Gabriel/MuslimPastorCh7.pdf 100MB

http://home.ripway.com/2005-6/328030/Mark%20Gabriel/3StagesJihadCh11.pdf 88MB



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Re: Chronological events of the "Invasion" of Palestine by the immigrant Jews - How it all started . [Re: Luddite]
    #5888928 - 07/22/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Actually the two types of Jihad is the inner struggle with one's self to avoid teptation; the other is the protection of Islam as a whole.

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