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OfflineEreignis
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Who here is a yogi?
    #5883986 - 07/21/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm curious how many of the shroomery posters practice yoga regularly. I do every morning from 6 to 8, and am pretty well convinced that it's the best way to train the mind and body. I do both raja and hatha yoga. (Hatha yoga is what most people in the West think of as yoga - it's the asanas, the postures, which are meant to cultivate the body and fully develop the human body's latent potential for flexibility, strength, and balance. Hatha means "force". Raja yoga is not taught very much in the West in my experience. Raja means king, the king of yoga. It's the spiritual side of yoga, and it consists of meditation to awaken the mind and sharpen the senses, followed by asanas which are meant to be performed in a meditative state).

Who here has tried yoga? Practices a lot? Who thinks of yoga as a purely physical discipline? Does anyone combine practice with tripping?


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: Ereignis]
    #5884039 - 07/21/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would like to start a routine similar to yours, but maybe start with something like 30 minutes a day, and work my way up to say an hour. Maybe 30 minutes of sitting meditation followed by 30 minutes of asanas and such.

The only problem is, for the asanas, I have no idea where to begin. I realise I could learn them on a website, or in a book, but it seems like I would do things wrong.

Where did you learn? Also, how do you feel after your daily practice?


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: Ereignis]
    #5884060 - 07/21/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really think that yoga is necessary to being a yogi

it just helps a little


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5884147 - 07/21/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do not do asanas other than meditation/sitting. Yoga is not just asanas, but they are a part of yoga. Yoga is a way of life, not just the time you spend doing postures or meditation. It is for every moment.

I practice daily meditation and japa (repetition of mantra) with a mala.


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: thatiAM]
    #5884168 - 07/21/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I begin each day with at least 30 minutes of sun salutations to awaken my body and mind.... I also spent at least another half hour each evening before I go to bed going through a set of postures leading to a deep state of relaxation.... at which point I typically remain in my corpse pose for a while in a state of meditation.... I find that by doing yoga my body feels much more healthy and more importantly aligned..... it also helps to bring clarity and concentration to my mind
I have done some yoga practice while in a psychedelic state.... it is always a very beautiful experience.... I tend to prefer to do postures where I can make somewhat of a circular path for the energy to flow through my body..... its amazing to close your eyes and envision yourself simply as this energy flowing through your body.... mmmmmmmm yoga


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: ShattrdHarlequin]
    #5885187 - 07/21/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
I don't really think that yoga is necessary to being a yogi

it just helps a little



this is a word play

yoga is something akin to "yoke of God" or "yoking God" or "Unison with God"

so yes, yoga is. hatha yoga? or raja... or.... the other ones that I don't really recall because I don't know much about them? No... there's a lot of variety.

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I do hatha as far as I know, except that sometimes we will do meditation mixed in with it (sitting or corpse pose meditation).
it's somewhere around 40-60 mins a day, except fridays and the weekend.

sometimes I do it on my own.

my biggest challenge is in the legs, my hamstrings are very unflexible and i can't do toe/touching, full sun salutations, standing forward fold, etc....

but i'm working on it.

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does anyone have tips for how to have the most "stamina" to prepare for going into yoga? There are days where I amaze myself at my endurace and days that I feel like I'm about to collapse in exhaustion trying to keep up with the pace of things. and generally it's a mixture of both.

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as for, hatha spiritual or physical? Both..... it depends on what state of mind I'm in.... how much I'm paying attention, and a lot of things. generally it's mainly physical for me. my very first class brought me to tears and left me feeling amazingly good for 3 hours afterward though. i felt my breath in complete unison and surrender to this girl next to me, and it was so beautiful and healing.

now, i might feel a ton of energy, moments of exchange or near telepathy with the instructor, but it doesn't seem as humbling and surrender inducing I guess. I think the thing is, because it's taught to college students... that a lot of them kind of want a workout. I think the instructor takes it spiritually though, but often times gives us more of a workout than a meditation session.

btw I'm falling in love with her kind of... and our minds seem to merge on a consistant level, but I can't really read things from her, it's more the other way around.


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: leery11]
    #5885300 - 07/21/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would but I need a yoga routine, anyone know where i can get one from?


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getting a yoga routine.... [Re: Rahie]
    #5887073 - 07/22/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well guys, I think it's great that some people here want to try yoga. I will mention that there are a lot of do-it-yourself yoga websites and many offer suggestions for starting yoga at home. Even the meditation website in my signature has a subsection with a recommended beginner's yoga routine (though I don't think it's a very good one). I am deliberately refraining from finding the links for you because I think that kind of research should be done of one's own volition and as an indication that one is willing to expend time and effort on the yogi's project. Yoga is a lot of work! Yoga is not easy! Yoga is not really meant to be dabbled in, either. The yogi takes as his goal the complete cultivation of his natural talents. This process is a lifelong process requiring great discipline and some sacrifice. The yogi builds his discipline because he accepts that, as nice as it would be to have a quick way to perfect self mastery, no such way exists. Accepting that the path is long and difficult, the yogi travels along patiently, with lips parted in a half smile, content in the sight he has of the true path, and at peace.

I might be coming across as a curmudgeon, but I personally will not recommend starting at home. Yoga is a difficult and subtle discipline. The difference between a strong, powerful pose and a weak pose that will bring no improvement and possible damage can be as small as the difference between having your heels down or up, your knees in to your chest or out, your hips twisted and lifted or not. It's very hard to see from a picture all of the subtle details of a pose that make it powerful. Futhermore, I have never met a person who can't work harder if he encouraged by another, especially a high-energy master. What we want is hard work. Hard work is the Way - there is no easy way. If you want to do one good thing for yourself this year, find a guru in your area. If you can't find a master teacher, find an expert instead. Consider the number of years he or she has been teaching, and when you go to class, look at the expertise of his students. Good teachers, that, through expertise and careful attention, are able to show their students a path to faster improvement, tend to attract dedicated and expert disciples. The expertise of the teacher is very important, for a master yogi who knows the way will always be dedicated to true teaching.

If you are poor and cannot afford instruction, I first ask, How poor are you? And, what is the value of the cost of the class versus the value of perfect health and self mastery? If you still feel that you are unable to afford classes, then the next alternative is to get a DVD and practice with the DVD. If you chose this route, I also recommend one book which will teach you a lot about yoga and most of Hatha's asanas: B.K.S. Iyengar's "Light on Yoga". The book, which should be studied conscienscously, meticulously, and with an open heart, includes a course of study which will take a student from baseline unhealthiness to near perfect mastery of the body. To master all 286 poses might take three to twelve years of disciplined practice, depending on the intensity of your training, but the reward it offers is incomparable.

To all who walk the path, Namaste, I bow to you.


Edit: Also, I acknowledge the above poster who reminds us that yoga is a way of life. Nevertheless, I think that realization is one that must be built internally, personally, and over time. You don't just accept that yoga is a way of life. You start with practice, which includes daily meditation, and you build your view, your life view, in the practice. The realization comes through self-reflection and not through mere words. Such philosophical pattering is a sham view, a sham life. Everything starts with practice, and returns to practice. Practice, practice, practice. Practice will set you free, not mere talking.

PPS To the one who said that a yogi does not need practice, please look above. Practice is everything. Practice is what makes the words go deep. Practice. Practice. Practice.


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Edited by Ereignis (07/22/06 09:57 AM)


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: leery11]
    #5887162 - 07/22/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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leery11 said:

my biggest challenge is in the legs, my hamstrings are very unflexible and i can't do toe/touching, full sun salutations, standing forward fold, etc....

but i'm working on it.

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does anyone have tips for how to have the most "stamina" to prepare for going into yoga? There are days where I amaze myself at my endurace and days that I feel like I'm about to collapse in exhaustion trying to keep up with the pace of things. and generally it's a mixture of both.





Don't worry, everyone has a problem with the hamstrings at first. This is because the hamstrings (and you will soon find, the glutes), are muscles which have vastly greater latent range of motion than we ever have occasion to use in daily life. This tightness is exacerbated by many common exercises including running and squats. It is frustrating because many, many yoga poses are hindered by tight hamstrings. At first it seems that nearly every pose is only working the hamstrings, this is because the hamstrings are so tight that they freeze up the pose before any of the other muscle groups approach the limits of their range. Never worry, if you practice, the tightness will go away. If you are like me, and seek smarter ways to improve more quickly, then try reading this highly informative treatise on effective stretching. PNF stretching is the way to go, my friend. The key, and any yoga master will tell you this too, is relaxation. You have to learn how to relax into the pain, and teach your body that it is ok for your muscles to be in their new, longer position. This gets back to the heart of yoga, which is yoking the mind to the body, and thus mastering the body. The master learns to master what in the west is called the "myotatic reflex", that is, the reflextive tightening of an antagonist muscle group when a muscle is extended past its customary range. That's why you have to stretch longer than most people usually stretch: you have to give your mind time to find and observe the myotatic reflex and focus through that reflex. You have to "sink into the pose" and exist there, peacefully and calmly, and accustom your body to being in that position comfortably. There are many poses which provide good hamstring stretches. A simple forward bend, keeping the back straight, the waist tucked forward, and the knees active and straight, will provide you with a hamstring stretch suprisingly far up in the bend. Another good one is to spread your legs far apart, past your shoulders, and bend forward as far as you can. Once you master these easy poses, half moon is a good easy-intermediate pose for working hamstrings while developing balance. But make sure you do it all in a meditative, that is to say, relaxed, state, and the stretch will stick a lot longer.

Namaste!

Edit: And I know everyone always say this, but I want to reiterate: it should not be too painful! You HAVE to be able to relax into it, there is no other way. Therefore you should never choose a stretch which is so painful that you cannot relax. A slight discomfort is ok but never any more than that. Patience leads to progress!


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Edited by Ereignis (07/22/06 10:45 AM)


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Re: getting a yoga routine.... [Re: Ereignis]
    #5887167 - 07/22/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have experience with Yoga.
I used to do Kundalini yoga for around 7 months.
well worth it!
I stopped doing it from lack of transportation, and peer pressure to hangout with buddies.
Stick to it you guys if you start!


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Being a yoga routine.... [Re: Ereignis]
    #5887286 - 07/22/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do it.
A lot! :laugh:

Been doing it since I was just a kid, did not know it was the same as Yoga though,.. recently found out.


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Re: Being a yoga routine.... [Re: Gomp]
    #5887375 - 07/22/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this is good.

20-40 minutes (not sure exactly) of sititng meditation. 30-35 minutes of yoga.

tai chi form 3 times.

lotsa energy but relaxed and reserved. :smile:

yogis, what can be done about legs going completely numb and asleep in half or full lotus? i generally just masage them afterwards and endure the pain of reawkening, but my intellect says this could be quite bad for your health? shiftnig legs make it worse because then all the pain floods in WHILE i'm meditating instead of just letting it gradually flood in by very very slow movements and massages after i'm done.


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: Ereignis]
    #5887555 - 07/22/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I practice asanas and basic pranayama and meditation with a class about 5 times a week, 90 minutes per practice. I study books and practice asanas and meditation on my own irregularly.

It is a great challenge for me to set aside the time to practice around my job and social life. Ereignis sounds far more dedicated and knowlegable than I am, but I can reiterate one very important point: Yoga is not easy. Yoga requires dedicated and intense practice. The distractions of life make it hard to find the time to practice, and hard to bring the necessary focus to the practice when the time comes.


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Re: Who here is a yogi? [Re: leery11]
    #5888174 - 07/22/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

""what can be done about legs going completely numb and asleep in half or full lotus? i generally just masage them afterwards and endure the pain of reawkening, but my intellect says this could be quite bad for your health? shiftnig legs make it worse because then all the pain floods in WHILE i'm meditating instead of just letting it gradually flood in by very very slow movements and massages after i'm done.""

Grow more veins..

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