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JettaAe
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8 inch substrate + horse poo = success????
#5887389 - 07/22/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i just took 8 of my jars and broke them up into some 50/50 horse poo and loaded it all into a styrafoam container. its all about 8 inches thick. i have a biiiiig feeling that if this all works its gunna out grow the container and im going to have to design a taller lid for this. now quick question is did i do anything wrong? i kinda jumped into doing it and i wanna make sure i didnt screw up anything. is my substrate 2 thick? any tips or anything?
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5887410 - 07/22/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're right about one thing, if everything turns out ok, those mushrooms will be pushing the top of your cooler off. 8 inches could potentially put out 16 inch mushrooms.
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JettaAe
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: liamtheloser]
#5887423 - 07/22/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i put the lid on and stuck it back in the closet...i guess just let it sit for say a week and then check if i see any growth?
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: liamtheloser]
#5887428 - 07/22/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i would love to see this work out for you. i will be watching this thread. let us know what happens!
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5887454 - 07/22/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JettaAe said: i put the lid on and stuck it back in the closet...i guess just let it sit for say a week and then check if i see any growth?
do you have polyfill holes cut in it or is it just a styrofoam box with a lid?
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JettaAe
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: Yamidude]
#5887464 - 07/22/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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styrofoam box with lid.
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5887472 - 07/22/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
JettaAe said: styrofoam box with lid.
you have any plans for FAE or humidity?
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JettaAe
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: Yamidude]
#5887494 - 07/22/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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nope...what would u reccommend me do at this point in the project?
Edited by JettaAe (07/22/06 01:03 PM)
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5887499 - 07/22/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Double, or good, fish tank bubbler, humidity wont be a problem if everything is sealed correctly, just be sure to mist from far away, like twice, every time you fan, which would be 1-2 times a day because you'll have bubblers doing most of your fanning work.
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JettaAe
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: beatnicknick]
#5887524 - 07/22/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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even tho i just put the crumbled cakes and mixed them all up with the horse poo i should still mist every day? and what is this about bubblers?
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5887548 - 07/22/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like you really really really have to go to shroom school.
the FAQ's have every answer to every question you have already asked and will prevent you from asking other previously asked ones.
8 inches of poo is going to kick ass as long as you get your learn on and give that setup what it needs man!!!
Edited by SpookerShroom (07/22/06 01:20 PM)
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: SpookerShroom]
#5887618 - 07/22/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can easily grow 16 inch mushrooms on 4 inches of substrate.
no need for 8 inches.
make two 4 inch substrates.

this one was from about 3-4 inches.
spend your time with cloning and strain isolating if you want good fruits.
p.s. 8 inches could cause the center of the substrate to go anaerobic.
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: SpookerShroom]
#5887619 - 07/22/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i just started misting it and mad does it just soak up the water...i dont want to over mist it but 2 squirts def. wasnt enough. i have a saltwater tank and a spare air pump that im not using for one of my old skimmers. so im gunna set that up and grab one of those rods that blow bubbles(used in stuff like an aero cloner for cloning "plants") and run a line thrue the styrofoam to provide fresh air. now i do know that the more fresh air and colder temps help initiate pinning...should i wait on the air rod until i am ready to pin and then ad the air pump or should i put it in now that way i dont have to worry about fresh air exchanges and fanning as much?
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5893205 - 07/24/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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heres a little update...i put 2 holes on the sides of the box and ran 2 air tubes into the box. i have been misting daily. i think im going to let it stay with the air on for maybe say 3 days before i check it again...probably not hopefully it will be fully colonized in a couple days and rdy for birth...
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5893657 - 07/24/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You need to study before you jump right into something like that. You do NOT want air exchange during colonization, so get the air pump out of there. You need to make provisions for gas exchange, but not air exchange. There' a big difference. Also, you don't mist during colonization. You're supposed to leave it alone until it colonizes.
8" is too thick for a horse manure substrate. It will overheat if it doesn't go anerobic in the core first, both of which will stimulate bacteria production. 4 to 5 inches of substrate depth should be considered maximum with anything but straw. RR
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5893795 - 07/24/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RR is telling it like it is.
Even with 3 to 4 inch deep h/poo substrates, in trays.
You want to be VERY careful about temperature control.
You do NOT want such a tray setting on a solid, or insulated surface.
Wire racks are preferable, so air can circulate 360 degree's around them.
Colonizing h/poo trays generate heat.
To much heat, and FERMENTATION sets in.
Many make the mistake of using an incubator, with heat set around 82/84F, sometimes even higher.
H/poo trays can generate 10 to 14 degree's of heat, by themselves.
That fact, combined with high incubator temperatures.
Will put a tray in the DANGER ZONE ----- QUICKLY.
Once fermentation starts. The tray is DOOMED.
You will learn how fermentation of horse manure smells. 
It is NOT pleasant.
Sort of a sweet sickly dirty sock, and putrid fart smell.
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: Tippinthru]
#5896755 - 07/25/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok well took your advise and cut it all in about half and threw some in another tray. great news is that i could tell it was spreading very rapidly. what i did was crumbled it all up and split it. then stuck a thin layer of cow manure on top and misted till near saturation. whatever im doing is working great so im going to back off of the daily schedule a bit, but i am gunna keep checking and making sure its not drying out or anything like that. hopefully by the end of the week it will be time to try and grow some mushrooms
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5904769 - 07/27/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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the casings are colonizing extremely fast. here are some pics of the progress.


now should i wait till the top is completely colonized or what? i was thinking about letting it go for maybe 1 more day and then throwing it into the fridge for a lil while and then starting to try and fruit. what do you guys think?
Edited by JettaAe (07/27/06 09:58 AM)
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: JettaAe]
#5904936 - 07/27/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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not to get down on you, but did you research/plan things out much before you got into it? some of the things you're asking here are really elementary... kind of amazed over here you got this far if this is how you've been handling it.
yes you should wait until the top is colonized. its nowhere near done. 1 day isnt going to be remotely enough. you've probably got anywhere from 3 to 7 days to go.
and why on earth would you put it into the fridge? are you trying to slow it down? as long as there's still substrate left for mycelium to eat, its not going to fruit, plain and simple. it needs to be colonized before you can even think of fruiting.
put it away, cover it up, let it colonize, ignore it and pretend its not even there. don't even peek for a couple days. instead, do some more research and figure out what it is you're trying to do. come up with a game plan so you're prepared for the next steps, rather than trying to figure things out as they come.
questions to ask yourself, and find answers to yourself: do you plan on casing it? if so, with what and how will you prepare it? how are you going to initiate pinning? what kind of fae and misting regimen if any are you going to imlpement? answers to all this and more are all over the place... seek them out.
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Re: 8 inch substrate + horse poo = success???? [Re: creamcorn]
#5907928 - 07/28/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i was planning on just letting it colonize and then fruit just as it is...not a good idea?
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