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how long?
    #5887025 - 07/22/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How many years do you give civilisation before it falls appart?


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887028 - 07/22/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

as a whole or sections of civilizations?

Indefinitely until we cause ourselves to become extinct, the other animals get wise and start killing us, or the sun fails.


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Re: how long? [Re: demiu5]
    #5887034 - 07/22/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I mean before the neurosis grows to such levels that there are riots everywhere, and everyone is psychotic and there are wars everywhere


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887037 - 07/22/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

50 years...?


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Re: how long? [Re: demiu5]
    #5887050 - 07/22/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The first few centuries, probably when most of Rome burnt...

I guess you didn't specify which civilization you were referring to... :smirk:

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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887119 - 07/22/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All of them..

How many years do you give civilisation before it unites?

BTW: Fun movies on the subject..


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[url=
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Re: how long? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5887128 - 07/22/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The first few centuries, probably when most of Rome burnt...

I guess you didn't specify which civilization you were referring to... :smirk:

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That was a previous wave. Rome was much like the modern civilisation.
Romans we savages, yet they believed they are enlightened, they used fancy language, hid behind laws and legality and were bored to death.
Naturally their empire dissapeared.

By civilisation i mean the current world order. You know US, EU  etc.


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Re: how long? [Re: Gomp]
    #5887130 - 07/22/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

why does it have to? if man were that clumsy he wouldn't have gotten so far.


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Re: how long? [Re: Gomp]
    #5887134 - 07/22/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Gomp said:
All of them..

How many years do you give civilisation before it unites?

BTW: Fun movies on the subject..


And they are FREE! :smile:
Yay for free-in·formation!

[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (1 of 3).avi[/url]
[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (2 of 3).avi[/url]
[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (3 of 3).avi[/url]




Being united only gives greater control to the ones on top.
If the whole world is united, where do you escape?


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Re: how long? [Re: leery11]
    #5887138 - 07/22/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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leery11 said:
why does it have to? if man were that clumsy he wouldn't have gotten so far.




How far? Where are we now?


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887153 - 07/22/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think the main problem we have now is HIV/AIDS. I think if it became much more widespread (and assuming they never find a cure) it could change civilization in a big way, maybe even bring it down.

How many year? Dunno really.


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887155 - 07/22/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

who knows.

united does pose that risk, but united poses a universal communication of problems, and the sheer scope of "free" peoples would pose a problem for tyrannical control junkies....... while you can police a natoin .... policing an Earth would be hard, unless instead of terrorists we had alien terrorists "after" us but hey, who cares?

i dunno you're just supposed to wake up from the dream and say "wow, us humans are silly"

maybe ultimately we are to live society-less in order to be free, and therefore collapse and then re-structuring with loooser and closer knit populations is necessary. i dunno.


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Re: how long? [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5887185 - 07/22/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

HIV is a big problem? How about people are plan to use GM food to control population growth in 3rd world countrys, or people who get arrested for taking tourist pictures, or nazi dictatorship that is growing everywhere, the celebrety-worshiping mindlessness that the world is sinking into, extreme materialism, lack of respect for nature, dogma, corruption etc etc.
HIV is not a problem unless people change a lot of partners.
It wouldn't be spread in a world that doesn't cure its own emptyness by sleeping around on parties.


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Re: how long? [Re: leery11]
    #5887198 - 07/22/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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leery11 said:
who knows.

united does pose that risk, but united poses a universal communication of problems, and the sheer scope of "free" peoples would pose a problem for tyrannical control junkies....... while you can police a natoin .... policing an Earth would be hard, unless instead of terrorists we had alien terrorists "after" us but hey, who cares?

i dunno you're just supposed to wake up from the dream and say "wow, us humans are silly"

maybe ultimately we are to live society-less in order to be free, and therefore collapse and then re-structuring with loooser and closer knit populations is necessary. i dunno.




The "free" world is like Truman show. Everything is perfect as long as you don't question it.
The powers will let you be free as long as your wishes are within what they want you to wish.
Also, some of the basic human natural rights are denied in the free world, like smoking something you find growing in your lawn, or showing signs of real spirituality.
Not everything is forced by law, but many forbiden things are controled through raising the people to believe it's wierd and funny.

How do you make someone not do something for good? You don't hit him with a stick, you make everyone else laught at him and make him believe he is wrong.

In general everything, from culture to laws is slowly preparing grounds for the possibility of total control. Now it may not be on purpuse right now, but some day someone is going to take advantage of it.
In a couple of decades it will be possible to make every citizen of the world think like you want, act like you want, have no place to hide, have no freedom to rethink things. He'll buy what you want, he'll eat what you want, he will walk on the painted lines you draw.

It will all make nazism and similar atempts of world domination look extreamly naive.
If they don't see your force, they won't have the natural reflex to fight it.


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887227 - 07/22/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Gomp said:
All of them..

How many years do you give civilisation before it unites?

BTW: Fun movies on the subject..


And they are FREE! :smile:
Yay for free-in·formation!

[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (1 of 3).avi[/url]
[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (2 of 3).avi[/url]
[url=
&q=mayan+calendar]Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled (3 of 3).avi[/url]




Being united only gives greater control to the ones on top.
If the whole world is united, where do you escape?




By being it..


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Re: how long? [Re: Gomp]
    #5887330 - 07/22/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

that's not much of an escape

If I was living in rome and everyone demanded that I become fat and eart in my bed, and vomit, and endorse border border lands, and having a household boy with make up giving me blowjobes every day, and I accepted to live like that, then how did I escape it?
Where would I find a lifestyle based on peace honesty and love?


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5887790 - 07/22/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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that's not much of an escape

If I was living in rome and everyone demanded that I become fat and eart in my bed, and vomit, and endorse border border lands, and having a household boy with make up giving me blowjobes every day, and I accepted to live like that, then how did I escape it?
Where would I find a lifestyle based on peace honesty and love?




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Re: how long? [Re: Gomp]
    #5887803 - 07/22/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well yea I'd be me in myself still, but a man has to have some room...
I wouldn't be able to express myself, I wouldn't be able to communicate, I wouldn't be able to have a family etc. I'd be stripped of everything the most people take for granted. It's a good way to go crazy


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5894150 - 07/24/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Good question, as ever :smile:
I think, the first christs thought the apocalypse would come in some few years.
And it is true, that mostly our civilisation carries the rules of rome on and on.
That is the material way.
There I remember 'The Life of Brian": What have they brought us, despite the canalization, the security, the ... ? :lol:

So I see both ways permanently imminent (destruction and glorification of 'our'(?) civilisation) and I can't see, what holds the real balance therefore.
If man would be that 'evil', civilisation would have disappeared since a long time. [Perhaps man is evil, but men are good ?!]
I give a good bet, that it will run sometime longer, but also, I gave a bet that this year is the year of 'decision' for the 'final fall'.

Some say, if we destruct more and more nature, there sometimes the point of no return will be crossed and the balance will collapse what will destroy the biosphere on earth. If that happens, we have to be ready to help ourselfs, what would be part of 'civilisation'.

I will give an answer to this next year :laugh:


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Re: how long? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5894172 - 07/24/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"How long? Not long. Cuz what you reap, is what you sow!"


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