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First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay?
    #5886937 - 07/22/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is my first casing...just wondering if im doing good or bad lol


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5886946 - 07/22/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are you fruiting or incubating still at this stage??

If you have not initiated pinning conditions at this point you should.

You don't have perfectly even mycellium poking through your casing layer but few do on their first try. It takes some practice to get it perfect.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886951 - 07/22/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its almost fully covered and its in the fruiting chamber yes....its on day 4 now...wish the rest of the pictures would post so u could see more

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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5886962 - 07/22/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your casing is not at overlay, it is a little overgrown but nothing to worry about too much. You could patch and let the rest catch up, but I prefer to let a casing go at the stage you are in. If it gets worse you may want to patch. Keep us updated, and try to get the rest of the pictures working.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886968 - 07/22/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

pictures fixed....

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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5886975 - 07/22/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Temp is 74-76 and humidity is 90-95%...just to add

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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5887283 - 07/22/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It should pin like crazy in a few days. Looking good.
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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5892097 - 07/23/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

new pictures

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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5892121 - 07/23/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Man, that looks good bro. (:
Can't wait to start casing.

Need to finish my FC first lol

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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: stormhalter]
    #5893903 - 07/24/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Mine is in a similar state, slightly less solid, lots of little threads everywhere, but covered completely. If yours is ok I guess mine is all good.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: unkempt]
    #5893934 - 07/24/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cold shock that thing and watch it put some spines up.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: beyondsisxth]
    #5893937 - 07/24/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've read that cold shocking will just slow it down. I had to pause mine for a week in the fridge, and it looks like it just delayed everything.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5893960 - 07/24/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Theres a difference between a short ten degree drop and a prolonged forty degree drop. One helps trigger pinning, the other will slow you down.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: beyondsisxth]
    #5894057 - 07/24/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Correct, but a ten degree drop is NOT a cold shock. It's a normal difference between daytime and nighttime temperatures. Many grow rooms experience a ten degree differential every day. I know mine does. Cold shocking is not useful for warm weather tropicals such as cubensis. They will fruit just fine in 90 degree weather, just as they do in nature.

unkempt, I see your top layer is fully colonized. That is not normal or desired. What did you use for a casing layer?
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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5894087 - 07/24/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

RR, mine is like that also. This pic is before the pause. It now looks about the same but with complete coverage.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/492313/

I used coir/verm. Why do you think that happened? environment? strain? substrate?


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5894096 - 07/24/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Correct, but a ten degree drop is NOT a cold shock. It's a normal difference between daytime and nighttime temperatures. Many grow rooms experience a ten degree differential every day. I know mine does. Cold shocking is not useful for warm weather tropicals such as cubensis. They will fruit just fine in 90 degree weather, just as they do in nature.

unkempt, I see your top layer is fully colonized. That is not normal or desired. What did you use for a casing layer?
RR



I agree with everything but will add in 90 degree weather pinning is very poor but fruits will mature just fine. During the pinning stage definitely drop temps into the 70's for best yields.


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5894101 - 07/24/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Because coir is a substrate material, not a casing material. Coir is not appropriate to use as a casing, because it will fully colonize, making it useless as a casing. However, cubes will fruit from uncased substrate, so you'll still get results. Just lay a sheet of clean wax paper over the top of that substrate to hold a high humidity level right where the exposed mycelium is and pins will form. Wrinkle up the wax paper, then flatten it out slightly before laying on the top so air will have an easier time getting under. Several times per day, lift the wax paper up and down a few times to evacuate any CO2 that has built up. Change the sheet out for fresh wax paper every second day. Stop misting until the pins grow enough to be considered 'small mushrooms'. The wax paper can be left on during the entire fruiting cycle as the fruits will push it out of the way as they grow.
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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5894116 - 07/24/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, coir is not a good casing? So what's better? Straight verm? Peat/verm? That advice seems to conflict with many popular recommendations, including FAQs.

And is the wax paper just for humidity? Cause mine was at 100% until I increased FAE dropping it to about 95%. What other purpose does the wax paper serve?

I had the feeling I was not getting enough light from ambient room light, so I placed a small fluorescent bulb above the FC. It is now dimly lit, as apposed to barely lit. On a timer of course.

Edit: Should I recase that tray with straight verm? Or just let it finish with a fully colonized casing?


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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5894159 - 07/24/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That advice seems to conflict with many popular recommendations, including FAQs.




I have a habit of that. Do a search for 'wax paper'. You'll find lots of info. I recommend peat/verm for a casing, mixed half and half and limed to a ph of 8. Use up to ten percent gypsum in the mix.
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Re: First casing....close to pinning or close to overlay? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5894179 - 07/24/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Crap, i guess i fruited mine too early then. I could see lots of small piecies of mycelium poking through my 50/50 casing layer but not as much as this. I guess the idea is to get plenty of mycelium to emerge but not to the point where no water can get to the casing material?

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