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shymanta
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Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland
#5886707 - 07/22/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone heard of this place?
I found it a while back and thought "Hey, this is great. But how long will it last?" Not long... Here an article: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4788.html
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: shymanta]
#5886891 - 07/22/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This makes me really sad.
Pastor David is odd, but he is one OK guy and his Church was nothing if not admirable.
FUCKING lawmongers. Here's a man who sincerely (and naively) stands for his beliefs and they tear him down and treat him like an ordinary criminal.
It's DISGUSTING, and despite the fact it was all odd and naive: this is an assassination attempt on a true mushroom church, trying to nip it in the bud. Being naive is not a bad thing - it is being uncorrupted by the evils of the world. And they JAILED him for it.
Damn this feels bad 
Pastor David, we're with you in Spirit, in the end the truth shall prevail
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5886892 - 07/22/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5886953 - 07/22/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is based on US pressure. When I get my Bachelor's in Canada or the UK, I plan on renouncing my citizenship.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: bukkake]
#5887038 - 07/22/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Last I heard the USA lets UDV use ayahuasca, Native americans can use peyote and Church of the True Inner Light gets away with using DPT. Who wants to start a church of the LSD children?
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5887129 - 07/22/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The UDV and the Native American Church aren't schemes to get legal psychedelics: they are legitimate churches who make use of entheogenic sacraments.
They're not "getting away with" the use but rather are on a legitimate spiritual path.
I can't judge the CTIL because I don't know it as well as the other two, but your LSD church sounds like a scheme, rather than the Real Thing.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5887159 - 07/22/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree mine is a scheme. I didn't mean the others were. As for the dpt I meant "getting away" as in not technically approved, but not prosecuted.
My point is the USA is not as unreasonable as it is portrayed.
Edited by 905 (07/22/06 11:03 AM)
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5887172 - 07/22/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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BTW I have the utmost respect for the native american culture. I feel they have more to teach about life than any other culture. I have always wished I was one, before the whiteys came and made them live in casinos.
Edited by 905 (07/22/06 10:57 AM)
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5887181 - 07/22/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said: The UDV and the Native American Church aren't schemes to get legal psychedelics: they are legitimate churches who make use of entheogenic sacraments.
They're not "getting away with" the use but rather are on a legitimate spiritual path.
I can't judge the CTIL because I don't know it as well as the other two, but your LSD church sounds like a scheme, rather than the Real Thing.
The rest of us should not be penalized for not believing in hocus pokus.
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.........but your LSD church sounds like a scheme, rather than the Real Thing.
OH BROTHER......The real thing is quite a hard thing to determine isn't it?
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Ekstaza]
#5887236 - 07/22/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am legal an free 2 tell all, get it, got it, or if not, Uh vill never get it, Hair like real an real long.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Knotlock]
#5887268 - 07/22/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this supposed to mean something?
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Ekstaza]
#5887753 - 07/22/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The rest of us should not be penalized for not believing in hocus pokus. OH BROTHER......The real thing is quite a hard thing to determine isn't it?
The distinction is quite easy to make. Is the "church" intended as an artificial construct to get at legal drugs, or do they sincerely consider it beneficial and spiritually enriching in the way their denomination describes.
With the NAC and the UDV I'm sore of it, just like with the core of the Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland.
The problem, just like with an internet forum, are leeches, the bad apples in the bunch.
As for "hocus pocus", this is about sincerity, not the content of the dogma.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5887756 - 07/22/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Is this supposed to mean something?
I think he wants to make a good impression because he's new
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5887796 - 07/22/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well tink an tink again, nut tryin to b socially correct, nut tryin anything, itz wotz happinin thatz really real, called yoh HAIR.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Knotlock]
#5887947 - 07/22/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Barging into a thread like this is the oldest trick in the book. That's, like, Warcraft 1 Trolling.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5887957 - 07/22/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have thought about visiting UDV to see if it is right for me. But part of me just wants to do aya in a safe setting without going to peru. I really beleive in the healing power of aya, but I don't think you need sacrements to be spiritual.But maybe I want to be proven wrong.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5887979 - 07/22/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The UDV has my interest too.
Aren't there local chapters where you live? Here in Amsterdam we have one, and I believe the UDV is a recognised religion in Holland, making Vegetal (their Ayahuasca) legal.
UDV = Uniao Do Vegetal = Union of Vegetal
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On 21 February 2006 the US Supreme Court issued its ruling on the case (See Gonzales v. O Centro Espírita Beneficente União do Vegetal, Docket #04-1084). The court unanimously ruled that usage of the ayahuasca tea as part of UDV religious ceremonies cannot be prosecuted by the federal government, in accordance with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5888063 - 07/22/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is only one chapter in the USA, I think. It is in New Mexico. Almost 2000 miles from me.
But my parents have a house in that state, maybe it's an omen.
DISCLAIMER: This is coming from my fried memory.
Edited by 905 (07/22/06 04:32 PM)
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5888492 - 07/22/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That your parents have a house there? 
Nah you're right, theres a New Mexico chapter. I can't find the information I want about their dogmatics and where they stand spiritially. I know the this and that, but I want to know it all.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5888524 - 07/22/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes Try this UDV USA I heard their aya is mostly vine, which I hear is tradional(?)
Edited by 905 (07/22/06 06:44 PM)
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: 905]
#5888606 - 07/22/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if you still have to be 1/4 native american to join the native american church?
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: Asante]
#5889128 - 07/22/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: As for "hocus pocus", this is about sincerity, not the content of the dogma.
Sorry for the negative tone of my post, but I sincerely believe that psychedelics can be a very good thing, without any mystical belief structure added on for legitimacy. The fact that ancient peoples discovered the effects of the drugs and created religions around them is of little significance to me. That was their only avenue of expression given their limited scientific education. I'd much rather be able to approach psychedelics from a 21st century point of view.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: shymanta]
#5889178 - 07/22/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've used the SMCS several times and Pastor David has been nothing other than a delight. He's helped me with dosage questions with exotic (well, to me) strains and we've even had philosophical banter.
His organization was not simply a mail order shroom service. He was starting a church. In addition to providing the sacrament to worshipers in tyrannical nations, Pastor David donated much of the money received to charitable services. He also planned on eventually helping people build self-sufficient communities as soon as the church was financially stable.
So, it sucks that he's in jail and the church may be squashed.
Viva la home grow!
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: MXNR]
#5889190 - 07/22/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ACLU.
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Re: Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland [Re: MXNR]
#5890389 - 07/23/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MXNR said: His organization was not simply a mail order shroom service. He was starting a church. In addition to providing the sacrament to worshipers in tyrannical nations, Pastor David donated much of the money received to charitable services. He also planned on eventually helping people build self-sufficient communities as soon as the church was financially stable.
I was very happy to see this church. I wish there was one here to support. I knew the door would close on the access to sacrament. Perhaps if sacrament was only offered to church members rather than offered to any who would donated. I think that would strengthen the religious argument.
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