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Still no sign of germination or mycellum
    #5886399 - 07/22/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys I inoculated 7 days ago using popcorn tek. The only thing I see in the jar is some moisture and that is it. I am afraid that I either got bad spores or maybe there is too much moisture? Either way I am not seeing any sign that anything is going on. I know that I should be patient so I am asking you, the experts what I should do. I have ordered spores from one of the shroomery recommended places that should be coming any day in case I have to try again. Also what does a typical spore syringe look like? For example is the liquid clear? Should there be anything visable in the water etc..


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: killalaz]
    #5886447 - 07/22/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just wanted to add that I have already searched the forums and have found relevant material but nothing that really answers my exact question. I have my jar in a home made incubator that is around 85 degrees as well. Can someone please help me!


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: killalaz]
    #5886460 - 07/22/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, popcorn is one of the worst grains to use, EVER!

Moisture content is a popular problem with popcorn, so is bacterial contamination, among a load of other things.

A typical spore syringe is crystal clear, there doesn't HAVE to be anything visible, but sometimes if you look really hard on a white background (hold white paper behind it), you can see little purple-blackish dots... those are spore CLUMPS, but usually syringes are crystal clear.

I'd give your jar another week, if it hasnt started colonizing by then, throw it out and start over and next time use WBS or rye... or hey, how about PFtek, since that's what a beginner is supposed to do anyways.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5886466 - 07/22/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I know, I am waiting for my supplies to come so I can start the PF tek method and a friend of mine had suggested this way so I figured I would give it a shot. Thanks for the advice though and I love your sig clerks rules!


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: killalaz]
    #5886467 - 07/22/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree that the typical syringe is crystal clear. Any syringe I have ever recieved from a shroomery sponsor has had clumps of spore in it that are visible without holding it up to a sheet of paper.

When I make a syringe for myself i make it pretty fucking dark.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886471 - 07/22/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also, you don't have to start out with the PF tek. Grains are just as easy as the PF tek is. Use Magash's RYE tek, and case. I never started with PF, and see no reason to start there either. I also went straight to casing, so don't be afraid of the so called advanced methods.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886512 - 07/22/06 02:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the info hawks, yeah I have seen pics of other people syringes and they were almost brown. All I could see when held up to the light was maybe some cloudy stuff floating around? I dunno I got a syringe today that has big clumps in it and I have others coming from a sponsored site of the shroomery. I am still going to wait a week and see what happens though and I am waiting for the rest of the jars that I ordered to come in the mail anyway I couldnt find any of those 1/2 jars around here.

EDIT: Oh and another question for IAMTHELOSER, aren't you supposed to experiment with what works for your strain and situation? I didn't know there was any one tek that you were supposed to use. I was under the impression that certain teks work better for certain people and it is largely a personal matter correct me if I am wrong.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: killalaz]
    #5886576 - 07/22/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Your right in the fact that a lot of the times different teks work better for different people. But whole grains are going to give you phenomenally better results than PF tek, period.


And you should see no tek that works better with different strains of cubensis than others.


If your moving into things like cyans and azures, then yes you need teks that are designed to grow those types of mushrooms.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886613 - 07/22/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> thanks for the info hawks

Watch out for this guy. He'll dispute the CDC, WHO, AND Dr. Bob all at once, without a shred of evidence, and when you tell him he's wrong he'll prove his maturity and wisdom by giving you a shit rating.

There's a reason that noobs are advised to start with the PF tek. If you ignore that advice you stand a good chance of finding out why it's given.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: fastfred]
    #5886635 - 07/22/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

listen to me, i'm smart and have huge gonads, much larger than the average human.

do the PFtek, you wont be sorry. Or you can do grains and probably regret the wasted time. It's obvious you haven't read all that much, since you don't know what a spore syringe can look like, but hey, it's all a part of learning, and once you do the pftek, and see what all the different steps of growing look like and you know what to expect from mycellium and see the different stages of fruiting, you'll be ready and able to do wbs (or FF's favorite, RYE).

And if you feel like you want to fasttrack casing, you can always crumble your PF cakes and case those. You don't have that option if you do popcorn or whatever else you were going to do (unless you were going to do rye cakes).

SO. If you want to have mushrooms, and have fun, and enjoy your time doing things, I'd go with PF tek. If you want to be frustrated and post a lot of stupid questions about possible contams and freaking out about strange looking myc or asking if a jar is 100% colonized, or all the other 100s of noob questions that get asked every time someone does grains their first grow, then do grains and be upset.

Listen to me, I'm the smartest man alive, and I have huge gonads. And at the moment I also have a giant erection due to pressure on my prostate caused by the massive bolus of quesadillas I have to go shit out now.

Tootles!


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5886645 - 07/22/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

>> 'You don't have that option if you do popcorn or whatever else you were going to do (unless you were going to do rye cakes).'

i meant you don't have the option of fruiting on the cake... not you dont have the option of casing, sorry... thought i'd clear that up, i'm tired, drunk and have to poop really really bad.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: fastfred]
    #5886677 - 07/22/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Way to bring something up that happened almost 2 years ago man, and I'm the one who is immature.

Besides your comments are a bit off topic.


Anyways, PF tek is overrated. I have seen many people have plenty of problems with that tek as I have with others. Do what you think you would want to go with. Don't be scared away from other teks because someone says there difficult.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886913 - 07/22/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Way to bring something up that happened almost 2 years ago man

2 years ago, 20 minutes ago... you're still giving out bad advice. At least it's not about a life-threatening health issue this time.

You seem to like telling people to ignore all the conventional wisdom and just follow whatever it is that you're telling them at the moment. At least nobody's in danger of dying from it this time.

I just wanted to point out that it's useless to argue with you because even if I had direct links to the CDC's, WHO's, and Dr. Bob's websites and they all said that PF Tek has a MUCH higher success rate for noobs vs any other method, it wouldn't matter! You'd still keep giving out the same bad advice, and if I showed you your error by posting a link to an authoritative source, you'd just give me a shit rating and call me names.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just letting everyone know what kind of a person this "advice" is coming from so that they can better decide whether to listen to you, or not.

If you want to listen to someone who disputes the WHO, CDC, and Dr. Bob on health issues that he knows nothing about then go ahead. I've already done my good deed for the day and can now rest easy.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: fastfred]
    #5886933 - 07/22/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

1. Sounds like someone needs to read the rules of this forum.


2. I went straight to this tek with no issues whatsoever, and have seen many do the same with out issue.


3. Chill the fuck out.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5886971 - 07/22/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Ok, popcorn is one of the worst grains to use, EVER!

I haven't used it so I'm not the best to give popcorn advice, but I can tell you from reading other's posts that popcorn and WBS have pretty high failure rates.

Hard shelled grains are not very good for germinating spores.

It can take 10 days for spores to germinate though, so I wouldn't give up just yet.

As far as what spore syringes should look like... There seems to be some very strong opinions both ways on that issue. My opinion is that more spores = darker syringes = better. Others think that perfectly clear syringes are better. If you get a perfectly clear syringe though, it's a crapshoot. You have no way of telling if there are even any spores in it unless you scope it or use it and find out.

Since it seems that you've jumped ahead to the more advanced teks and already had a taste of defeat because of it, I would recommend reading up on the PF tek and trying that. It's far easier and has a far greater chance of success.

Others might advise you to continue beating your head against the harder teks until you succeed, but I'd rather see you succeed sooner rather than later.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: fastfred]
    #5887054 - 07/22/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

liam I was waiting for you to tell him to go to shroom school!! lol

As for popcorn, I've been through about 150 jars now, and I've never had a problem with any contams or moisture problems....although I follow my own specs and not any of the teks on here. But hey some grains just work for some people, while others dont work at all.....who knows!! Not saying there arn't other grains that are better.

I think the noob should start with the PFtek simply because it teaches patience and there is a little less chance of problems becuase the spawning to sub. step is skipped.....Can't really say I followed that rule though the first grow I accomplished was wbs to Hpoo bulk.

Give that PF tek a try when you get your stuff......and oh yea, more than once It took me 10 days to see some growth in my popcorn from a multispore inoc.....so give it a bit more time.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: killalaz]
    #5887067 - 07/22/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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killalaz said:
Hey guys I inoculated 7 days ago using popcorn tek. The only thing I see in the jar is some moisture and that is it. I am afraid that I either got bad spores or maybe there is too much moisture? Either way I am not seeing any sign that anything is going on. I know that I should be patient so I am asking you, the experts what I should do. I have ordered spores from one of the shroomery recommended places that should be coming any day in case I have to try again. Also what does a typical spore syringe look like? For example is the liquid clear? Should there be anything visable in the water etc..




where did you get your syringe killa?


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5887135 - 07/22/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would think, (if you have a PC?), that using a few ml's of a spore syringe, to make an healthy LC, once done inoculate PC'ed rye grain jars, once colonized, then crumble the rye grain into the small GLAD oven-ware trays (with lids), once re-colonized then add a casing mix would be a quick simple method, to get a few small trays of shrooms.

Just my $0.02 cents.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: fastfred]
    #5887175 - 07/22/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry Fred, but I'd have to agree with Hawk. If you follow the teks involving whole grains on this website correctly, you shouldn't have problems. I think think when people say that the PF tek is for newbie's that what they really should say is that it's for people without a PC. Anyone who follows the proven teks here to a "T" should NOT have any problems. I would recommend Magash's rye tek to start. His tek, done according to the directions, is just about fail-proof. I think the problems people have with WBS and other whole grains is not following directions completely and shotty sterile procedures. As someone who has (obviously) been growing for awhile, do you really believe that working with whole grains is any harder than the PF tek? I know I don't.


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Re: Still no sign of germination or mycellum [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5887186 - 07/22/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just wanted to add:

I agree on popcorn sucking, for me anyway. I had alot of luck using it awhile ago, but lately I just can't get it right. It seems to dry out fairly fast and the grains don't colonize very quick. I've been sticking to WBS. It's cheap and it works well for me.


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