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Tackling the salvia beast.
    #5886383 - 07/22/06 03:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So the last 2 days I've burned through an entire gram of 20x extract. Unfortunately, I have yet to break through. A common occurence among the last 4 trips that I've gotten from this gram, is that I am in the presense of certain entities, who want to bring me somewhere, but am not sure where. I distinctly remember yelling out 'where !!' about half a dozen times like a deranged lunatic. In anycase, as you can all tell this isn't a trip report so much as a question to those more experienced.

Where are these entities wanting to take me to, and why ? I feel that I have trouble letting go of my ego, and that's partly what is keeping me from breaking through. Sorry if this isn't very clear, I am still returning to baseline somewhat. Hopefully i can provide some clearer details and questions tomorrow.

Thanks for any help, as I am planning on buying some more tomorrow to hopefully achieve ego loss.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5886468 - 07/22/06 04:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think these entities are trying to take you to salvia land...

I'm not experienced with salvia, and from what i hear, breakthrough is mostly garbage.
Sounds like your tripping from salvia just a week trip. Try to smoke more?


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Phishe]
    #5886500 - 07/22/06 04:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What is your setting? How do you prepare?

Find a nice comfortable place, soothing music and lights, lay down, close your eyes and relax, get your lungs full of salvinorin saturated smoke, hold it in for some and take another if possible. Continue laying on the bed, relaxed not trying to achieve anything.
Just close your eyes, let salvia show you. There is nothing to worry. It will be strange but you will know.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: astraalialma]
    #5886509 - 07/22/06 04:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

salvia doesnt work 2 days in a row.. the effects decrese dramataicaly the 3nd.. give it a few days inbetween

oh yea, that was random info lol... but its true


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5886549 - 07/22/06 04:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Can't say for sure but I think they are trying to bring you into a hive of some sort. Let me guess, the cheered and welcomed you with much enthusiasm.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5886876 - 07/22/06 08:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

at this point I am convinced that you need to go pretty frequently to get past the gate, if your defenses seem high.

the trips are so short and the impact on your life are so minimal that this is possible and reasonable.

the gatekeeper (part of self) will become accustomed to the visitor and eventually will let him in.

use gentle amounts and go repeatedly with no expectation.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5886880 - 07/22/06 09:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't speak of the semi-daily discipline of taking Salvia like redgreenvines can, but what I do know is that with smoked use, several smaller doses to a session seem to work better than one astral blast.

If you take several doses with say 15min interval you ease into the experience and the subsequent experiences oddly seem to be richer.

and you do need experience. my first few Salvia experiences were strong but not as profound as it became when I had more experiences under my belt, took lesser amounts and closed my eyes.

To me, closing your eyes, thus emptying the visual canvas, to be painted solely by the Experience, was the best move ever.

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5886963 - 07/22/06 10:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you all. I was alone EVERY time except for the last trip last with my cousin present, who smokes bud but that's about it. I now im 'supposed' to have a sitter present, but I really wasn't even comfortable really with my cousin there. Since he has no idea about this drug, I felt a certain need to kind of communicate to him what i was feeling, which angered me because I was still thinking in terms of 'me' and 'I' (not able to let go of self, physical world)

I took 3 long hits, held it in, and dropped the pipe. I was in a dark room all times, with Shpongle playing in the background. Might I add, at the risk of sounding horribly cliche, that this is the *perfect* music to a salvia trip, and that the cohesion of the music/experience is beyond belief. Aside from that, I had a *very* good time, and it lasted also extremely long, as I apparently was staring at my ceiling/wall for over 45 minutes. (Obviously wasn't peaking for that long, but the afterglow effects and distorted, wavy visuals lasted for a long time)


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5887036 - 07/22/06 11:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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viedub said:
I have yet to break through ... I am in the presense of certain entities, who want to bring me somewhere




this iseems to be the single most common thing with all salvia trips, especially for beginning users. That single element of the entire experience is one of the most fascinating to me.

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Where are these entities wanting to take me to, and why?




Essentially, they are the "gatekeepers" of releasing your ego (or whatever that really means). Honestly, just as many people experience a "choice" given by a third party, it's your choice whether you want to go with them (and let go of your ego) or resist (and therefore constantly try to relate to all you see and feel in terms of what you already know, which is somewhat like trying to force a square through a round hole).

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I feel that I have trouble letting go of my ego, and that's partly what is keeping me from breaking through.




partly? no. that is probably the only thing keeping you back. I know many people personally who have all told me the same thing, but I assure you, just go and you will breakthrough.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5887327 - 07/22/06 02:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

To me, closing your eyes, thus emptying the visual canvas, to be painted solely by the Experience, was the best move ever.




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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5887470 - 07/22/06 02:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Try holding the smoke in longer.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Phishe]
    #5887474 - 07/22/06 02:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Phishe said:
I think these entities are trying to take you to salvia land...

I'm not experienced with salvia, and from what i hear, breakthrough is mostly garbage.
Sounds like your tripping from salvia just a week trip. Try to smoke more?




He is smoking Salvia 20 x Extract, the amount he smokes is not a factor here. Don't comment unless you have some potentially helpful input


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: EndlessNameless]
    #5887621 - 07/22/06 03:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.. I'm actually a little frustrated, I should be more then good with 20x and some fat rips, but alas nothing.. well not nothing, but no ego loss. I hold the smoke in for a long time, I really don't know what else to do. Perhaps if i bought a bong that would increase the effect ? I was only using a small pipe...


Anyways, I think i am going to put this off for a week or so and clear my head, do some thinking about the trips and whatnot and give it a shot further on down the road. Any comments are still greatly appreciated, as I don't think i will ever stop until I can achieve ego loss, for the persistence I feel is truly astounding.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5887834 - 07/22/06 05:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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So the last 2 days I've burned through an entire gram of 20x extract.




Are you out of your mind?!
Well with that amount you should be :smirk:

I find it interesting to read posts and contrast certain things to others, and seeing what the results are.

Let's for the sake of experiment contrast:

Quote:

Unfortunately, I have yet to break through.




With:

Quote:

A common occurence among the last 4 trips that I've gotten from this gram, is that I am in the presense of certain entities, who want to bring me somewhere, but am not sure where. I distinctly remember yelling out 'where !!' about half a dozen times like a deranged lunatic.




Now to some of the more experienced users a nice field of tension arises between these two statements.

Let's see..

--Entities are trying to take you with them
--You yell "Where!!" out loud several times "like a deranged lunatic"
--This happens every time


dUDE..

Has is occurred to you that you were perhaps so far on the other side, that communicating with entities seems nothing out of the ordinary?

This is the hallmark of intense Salvia experiences: It grips you and you don't have a clue what's going on.

I wish people stopped feeding the beast that is the "salvia breakthrough" myth.

Dude: you "broke through" if thats what it's called. You screamed at the top of your voice at entities who wanted to take you away.
I mean, damn, at what point does it occur to people that salvia is completely different than they expected?

You kept toking up the 20x because you wanted to experience  "the thingy" but "the thingy" is not what Salvia is about.

It is about closing your eyes and letting yourself be taken by those entities, or like you did, argue with them with both feet in separate realities.

Put the pipe down on the floor and keep your hands where I can see them! Move away from the pipe! Slowly..

Quit smoking and let at least a week pass, but preferably at least a month before you imbide in salvia again. You sucked up 50.000 micrograms of Salvia throughout two days and still conversations with entities do not strike you as odd.

You took a hundred strong doses in two days.

What you've learned is that Salvia is nmothing like you expect it to be, and that you need to come with an open mind rather than a head full of expectations for Salvia to fulfill.

Small doses, closed eyes, silence.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5887851 - 07/22/06 05:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5888018 - 07/22/06 06:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Did you have actual hallucinations or just delusions? In other words, did you see or hear these entities at all, or did you just think "I can feel the presents of these entities (in my mind) and they want to take me with them"?

Generally, smaller amounts of Ms. Salvia give me delusions and larger amounts give me fullblown non-ordinary-reality hallucinations.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: the_END]
    #5888032 - 07/22/06 06:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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salvia doesnt work 2 days in a row.. the effects decrese dramataicaly the 3nd.. give it a few days inbetween

oh yea, that was random info lol... but its true




i dont think so.. ive done salvia many days in a row and the effects never decresed.

try smoking it out of a decent sized bong. that usually knocks me back


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: EndlessNameless]
    #5888058 - 07/22/06 06:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Phishe said:
I think these entities are trying to take you to salvia land...

I'm not experienced with salvia, and from what i hear, breakthrough is mostly garbage.
Sounds like your tripping from salvia just a week trip. Try to smoke more?




He is smoking Salvia 20 x Extract, the amount he smokes is not a factor here. Don't comment unless you have some potentially helpful input




I was only trying to help. This is a community after all, and i'd like to think that everybody has a say. Dont try to make this into a communist forum.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Phishe]
    #5888078 - 07/22/06 06:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah endlessnameless, you joined less than two weeks ago. What gives?


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Phishe]
    #5888146 - 07/22/06 07:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing inherently wrong with communists. I think the word you want to use is fascist ?


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: hippie_cune]
    #5888161 - 07/22/06 07:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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salvia doesnt work 2 days in a row.. the effects decrese dramataicaly the 3nd.. give it a few days inbetween

oh yea, that was random info lol... but its true




i dont think so.. ive done salvia many days in a row and the effects never decresed.

try smoking it out of a decent sized bong. that usually knocks me back





I agree. I have never had any decreased effects from using salvia repeatedly. If anything I have increased effects.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: motaman]
    #5888678 - 07/22/06 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe Salvia Divinorum has reverse tolerance.
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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: kija]
    #5888722 - 07/22/06 09:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe I had reduced effects after 4 trips one morning


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5888745 - 07/22/06 10:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have read that salvia trips within 1 hour of the previous have significantly reduced intensity. So, you are free to leave your mind behind and visit salviaspace only once per hour it seems.  :frown: ...and we all just wanted to stay there perminently.  :crazy2:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5889205 - 07/23/06 12:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Use a bong. Or make a gravity bong if you don't have a glass one. When I've smoked i've felt extreme gravity sucking me into a vortex like hole. Just sucked me right out of my body. Fucking weird. I was definetely on a different plane. But got the feeling like, "What the fuck is this guy doing here?" I mean if you were talking with entities on a different plane, what more were you expecting? Maybe you should just wait for death to find you so you can really break through


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5889496 - 07/23/06 02:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I did not have actual hallucinations, just vague blurring visions and objects taking on somewhat different forms, hard to explain sort of... Also, i just felt in the 'presence' of these entities, and not really communicating with them. When I mentioned i yelled out 'where!' all those times, I wasn't trying to speak to them as I knew at that point they can't really be spoken to, yet I knew that 'they' were there around me.

Also to the guy that mentioned the salvia breakthrough myth: All i have to do is 10 minutes of research on the internet to know that what I have experienced from all of my salvia trips is only a small fraction of what is possible to obtain from it, but thank you for spending the time to type out a post that is a blatant lie...

:rolleyes:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: infinium]
    #5889504 - 07/23/06 03:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have read that salvia trips within 1 hour of the previous have significantly reduced intensity. So, you are free to leave your mind behind and visit salviaspace only once per hour it seems.  :frown: ...and we all just wanted to stay there perminently.  :crazy2:




Once me and a friend sat in the dark for hours hitting 6x salvia. we did level out, but we were not in this world completely. we ended up interacting with an alien entity who was also lost in-between worlds in salvia space. He was sitting on my couch with his arm back over the edge like someone very relaxed. He even looked stoned. Very friendly looking didn't seem to pose any kind of threat whatsoever. My friend still calls this the weirdest thing thats ever happened to him.  :stoned:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5889607 - 07/23/06 04:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've had the feeling of others being present and the feeling was really pleasant but at the same time I was worried about leaving this world.
I didn't want to loose my friends, I reminded the words "relax, let it show you, you will return"..and I did but the time run out. If only I had had more hits left, the journey would have had enough fuel to carry me into the another world.

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: astraalialma]
    #5889740 - 07/23/06 06:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I just took up smoking Salvia and I started with the leaves.. My first experiance totally flipped me assbackwards with confusion as to what I was getting myself into.. Then I experimented more and saw and felt what it was trying to show me, I duno, Its hard to remeber everything that happens, it goes by so fast.. but I know that its completely out of this world, and I've failed to leave everytime that I've been offered the chance.. I can't seem to let this world go for some reason, I can feel it when im holding the smoke in, something inside of me wanting to leave my body behind, I feel its in my head, but im not sure... I've felt feelings like this off regular leaves with the right technique but I feel they might be more delusional.. I have tryed 5x and it didn't really set me off too well maybe because of the wrong atmosphere at the time.. I hate it.. Reality "fuck-ups" waking me up from my nice Salvia trip.. Don't you feel that when this happens that reality itself is kind of like a misquito biting at your leg.. Maybe I need to be able to feel more comfortable while smoking Salvia, I dont like doing it in my car because its doesnt feel natural, my parents wouldnt want me smoking in the house, and theres to many damn bugs outside... I guess I just need to buy some 6x and find a good place to let myself go..


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5890221 - 07/23/06 01:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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All i have to do is 10 minutes of research on the internet to know that what I have experienced from all of my salvia trips is only a small fraction of what is possible to obtain from it, but thank you for spending the time to type out a post that is a blatant lie...





...sigh

I read a report on Erowid about somebody who turned into a sombrero. I guess you have to keep using more and more until you turn into a sombrero, or it won't be "the real thing".

How can you on ANY trip experience more than "a small fraction of what is possible to obtain from it"?

But don't let my helpful post distract you.
So 50.000 mcg Salvinorin didn't do it. How about 100.000? :rolleyes:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5890604 - 07/23/06 03:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, what do you expect from me ? Am I supposed to believe this one person who assures me salvia breakthroughs are myths and completely disregard every level 4+ trip report I've read about it ?

I might be having some expectations towards the experience, but I'm not surely not an idiot, and I'm not about to buy the garbage that you are attempting to feed me. If all you can contribute to this thread are blatant lies then please stay out of it, because youre just spreading misinformation and angering me.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5890653 - 07/23/06 04:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in more detail: A "salvia breakthrough" boils down to taking a lot of salvinorin in a short amount of time.

You took a hundred strong doses of Salvia (1 gram of 20x) in two days, I assume sometimes with a dozen strong doses in your pipe.

Either you have been ripped off on the 20x, or there is the distinct possibility that you were further under the influence than you realize. If you scream out loud to entities you experience, you are VERY deep into Salvia's realm.

The hallmark of Salvia overdoses, which you took, is amnesia for the effects.

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: gratefulgere]
    #5890688 - 07/23/06 04:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Use a bong.  Or make a gravity bong if you don't have a glass one.




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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5890767 - 07/23/06 04:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wiccan isn't spreading blatant lies or garbage. He knows about what he speaks.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5890878 - 07/23/06 04:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Open eyes. I also mentioned i know i wasn't speaking to these entities, i was more asking myself the 'where' question because i was so surprised I felt the presence of them, and them wanting to take me somewhere.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5891025 - 07/23/06 05:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Open eyes.




almost the entire scope of the Salvia experience takes place with closed eyes. If you recall the many reports you doubtlessly have read: from most descriptions of the visual effects you can deduce, if it is not mentioned, that they have had their eyes closed.

Similarly, the same dose of Salvia becomes much more intense if you halfway through the effect close your eyes.

A strong dose of salvia can, with open eyes, sometimes do little more than make you very dizzy and laugh out loud and feel silly, whereas half of that amount with closed eyes can completely take you to faraway lands.

Just like LSD an experience can be entirely uneventful or the greatest adventure of a lifetime.

If your 20x was good quality, then there was definitely way more than enough Salvia present. If you are of average sensitivity then 1/100 of a gram, inhaled in one suck and held in your lungs for at least twenty seconds ought to be enough to provide you with a strong, level 2-4 experience, IF you close your eyes.

Another question: did you hold the smoke for a long time?

You need experience. Salvia is unlike any other entheogen. The experiences, in my experience, aren't independent but rather are all chapters in ONE STORY. And that story, redgreenvines will agree, can be very compelling.

My advice to you is to wait at least a month to return to equilibrium, because we must assume that in some mysterious mechanism 50.000 mcg of Salvinorium has passed through you. That's a beastly amount, even to smoke in a YEAR.

After waiting, use small amounts with closed eyes in silence and darkness. Really open up your senses to take in the experience. Do nothing but acxtively register what happens. And then, to all likelyness, it will come.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5891189 - 07/23/06 05:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Fair enough... sorry if i was harsh before, but you came off and kind of arrogant.. thanks for the help :smile:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5891566 - 07/23/06 07:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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you came off and kind of arrogant..




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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5892046 - 07/23/06 09:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A strong dose of salvia can, with open eyes, sometimes do little more than make you very dizzy and laugh out loud and feel silly, whereas half of that amount with closed eyes can completely take you to faraway lands.

I've gotten [too] intense open eyed hallucinations before. It doesn't seem uncommon at all, as long as you smoke it correctly.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5892195 - 07/23/06 10:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The last time I smoked it with my eyes open it did more than just dizziness and laughter (although I didn't laugh at all this time, 4th). I started to loose touch with reality, but it would keep shooting back at me from the area to my bottom left.. very repetitious.. If it actually makes you hallucinate with eyes closed then I'll have to try that next time, since keeping your eyes open is somewhat unpleasant..


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: psychout]
    #5892696 - 07/24/06 12:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know about the rest of you here, but personally, I have had intense open-eye experiences with salvia, and I have also put the tolerance b.s. to rest.

whether you just tripped an hour ago, or 4 days ago, there is no effect, salvia will still work, and it will work just as well, regardless of how much you have already done that day, week or etc.


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    #5893589 - 07/24/06 07:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

interesting kotik described exactly what i do.

i have never let the salvia entities take me anywhere. instead, i smoke it, and then proceed to have stuporous outloud conversations with myself (then i try to explain to the poeple around me that i'm "not really that high. this always turns into a joke for me, trying to say that i'm still in reality while having yelled conversations with non-physical drug beings...)

i quit awhile ago, but i was working on getting the salvia to understand that i can't understand its language, and it appears less pleased to use my own. i've been working on a middle ground.

i've found smoking salvia while tripping on mushrooms totally solves the problem of salvia bizzareness. the mushrooms let both parties communicate in a common language.

also i think what poeple mean by breakthrough, is smoking enough that you're no longer in normal reality at all, which would not be the same as smoking alot.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5893746 - 07/24/06 09:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

to me, "breakthrough" is complete ego loss, which usually results in me turning into different objects, such as a ball of energy, a cereal box, a sit-and-spin, a car and etc. And all the while, you know that you are the car (or whatever). Or in some other peoples case, talking to aliens, but at the time it doesn't seem strange at all.

This compared to "feeling funny" or "being pulled" which are really just very tiny effects that serve as precursor to the real thing (breakthrough). A breakthrough will have you reevaluating your entire life, and perspective of the world. If you smoke salvia, and don't feel something like that afterwords, I would be so bold as to say, you haven't had a breakthrough.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: kotik]
    #5893772 - 07/24/06 09:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In all the times I've smoked salvia I've always done it with open eyes (never even thought about it until I read it on here). One hit of 10x will cause a vibration throughout my body, a *gravity* pulling me to the left or right, the left side of my vision will bend and move off its axis and then my whole field of vision spins slowly. The second hit (eyes open mind you) makes everything melt, then in an instant the environment will change to a ridiculous scene. Each *breakthrough* is usually based off the last thing a person around me says (by myself, just some random shit). For example, my brother asked me if I felt like I was spinning, and that triggered the scene change and I was on a dinner plate sitting with one leg off the side with my brother in front of me, and we were pushing it with our one leg like a merry-go-round.

I still say people are smoking these high amounts of salvia because they use the wrong technique. One person may have gotten shit salvia (as hard to believe as I find it), but twenty different people? The next couple days I should be getting three more grams of salvia 10x, and I will close my eyes and see what all the fuss is about (open eyed worked great for me though) and I'm open to new experiences.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5893784 - 07/24/06 10:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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A strong dose of salvia can, with open eyes, sometimes do little more than make you very dizzy and laugh out loud and feel silly, whereas half of that amount with closed eyes can completely take you to faraway lands.
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I've gotten [too] intense open eyed hallucinations before. It doesn't seem uncommon at all, as long as you smoke it correctly.





The key word here is sometimes.
Sometimes you can be very much under the influence, but held in a state of normalcy that manages to remain despite the enormous turmoil under the surface. Yiou can be waaay higher than you realize, your "normalcy" a liferaft adrift in a sea of Salvia.

A big part of the Salvia experience is letting it happen. In my view this shouldn't be overcome by higher doses, but rather by increasing surrender.

You can turn into objects and be absorbed into another world by moderate doses. The key is to make it unfold without prejudice and, again, closing your eyes.

And modest doses which usually with open eyes give little more than dizzyness and laughter almost invariably are completely compelling if you close your eyes and open your mind.

Even a same dose can be vastly different in intensity between one time or another. I don't think the "reverse tolerance" is something biological, but rather psychological.

You learn to open your mind for Salvia, so that it doesn't have to smash the gates to come in.

This holds the promise that you'll need less salvia if you "learn" the mindstate, and this is exactly my experience. I'm strongly opposeds to towering doses, and much in favor to learning the mindstate on modest doses. Intense open-eye visuals tend to only happen with doses that are very high. People wo do not have a lot of experience with Salvia have no business taking very high doses. This all to often leads to traumatic experiences, and the TONS of negative experience reports.

Learn to swim in the shallow end of the pool and then gradually work towards the deep end.

Visual hallucinations in relatively unexperienced people in my view are bad news, just like letting teenagers fly a jet fighter plane: it is begging for mishap, and 9/10 Salvia threads historically speak of mishap, and blaming it on Salvia rather than dosage and usage.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5893798 - 07/24/06 10:10 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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One hit of 10x will cause a vibration throughout my body, a *gravity* pulling me to the left or right




You can trip so phuckin' HARD when you are in the realm of gravity pull, if your eyes are closed.

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Each *breakthrough* is usually based off the last thing a person around me says (by myself, just some random shit).




This is the mental overlap which redgreenvines speaks so fondly of.

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I will close my eyes and see what all the fuss is about (open eyed worked great for me though)




By all means dose conservatively! To put a label on it: to me it seems that Salvia with closed eyes is "five times as intense" as the same dose is with open eyes.

There can be so much Story that it will be overwhelming, and with you forgetting you closed your eyes, or even that you HAVE eyes, you'll be fully immersed in a hallucinogenic world.

This is learned behavior, you must try closed-eye Salvia several times before you can get the knack of it.

And please, dose carefully!!
Most people hold onto visual reality subconsciously, even if they believe to fully surrender. In darkness and silence, full immersion will be almost unavoidable, even at very modest doses.

By all means tell us what your experiences are.
For me Salvia is strictly a closed-eyes drug: open eyes are wasteful in my view.


I think this snippet drives the point home between open eyes and closed eyes:


Level - 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state. Closed-eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open-eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level, phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level, visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.

Level - 4 "V" stands for VIVID visionary state. Complex three-dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open, contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands--foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings (entities, spirits) or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer: you are in "dream time." With eyes closed, you experience fantasies (dream like happenings with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed-eye imagery, of level 3.



With closed eyes, you can fully enter another reality, and pull the door of consensus reality shut behind you.
With open eyes, your visuals will be a variation on visual reality but with eyes closed in darkness, everything that will occur will come from the other side, unaltered by distortions of the reality the senses experience.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5893809 - 07/24/06 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Alright... i love foliage, and am scared of extract. Ive had about 40+ ppl smoke extract in front of me, through my generosity. I am obsessed with the salvia experience and the salvia realm. Although ive only had 1 breakthrough (the 1 time i did the 10x about 5 months ago, only smoked foliage sense) i feel compelled to praise my beloved Sally Maria with sacrifices of sacrament to bring spirits to her realm. She helps me w/ her sacraments' anti-depressant effects (i smoke foliage every couple of days). 

A breakthrough is very real and can happen w/ eyes open or close, although it is much eassier to achieve w/ lower doses if the eyes are closed.

Ive found you HAVE to hit it out of a bong w/ a screen for optimal effect (optimal burning + administration)

20x? Prolly isnt standardized. Ive tried 40x from local vendor and it "didnt work" but the standardized 10x from BouncingB makes ppl breakthrough EVERY TIME. I heard iamshaman has dank standardized extracts as well.

Breakthrough? OK. So my first time i was sittin in my chair in front of my computer (on a corner desk). I took a nice bong tip of about enough 10x to cover my thumb nail. I dont remember the exhale. I am no longer anywhere, and i have no memory of my current life. I am fully caught up on whats happening. I am holding on with my hands as im being pulled by my legs (fully pulled, as if im holding on to a ledge being sucked out a window in outer space) through this vortex\portal with these 2 gnomish entities (didnt even KNOW about salvia entities till i after this experience looked up "salvia gnomes" which led me to "salvia elves" and a list of reports) which were calling me by name very excitedly + playful like. I remember never being that scared in my life. I slowly started winning the fight of the pull, and started pulling my feet out of the vortex, which was now a really long archway\cave that closed up. I realize im under my desk, and im holding ontop my keyboard rail.  And that i was physically being pulled "through the wall" through this vortex (i felt + Saw my feet being pulled through this vortex, and my feet were through it, meaning, through the corner of my room). I then stood up, then was pulled back into my wall, and i melded into my wall. Then i was "transported" to this room with 2 windows in front of me and a door to my left, and i was rising through the floor of this room w/ some other objects rising too. I had the DISTINCT feeling that i was gone and here, and i was far away from everything i had ever known, with the DISTINCT feeling that i couldnt go back, and that no one could help me now, not even my parents. I finally came to, stumbled to the other room, and tried to forget what happened (Yea right!)

Since then, a MULTITUDE of people have smoked that extract... about 10% got the "folding in a book of reality" thing, about 10% got various weird "my place in the wheel of existence" thing.. about 50% or so got the feeling of "entities" and "vortex"s with "severe since of being pulled towards this vortex". ALL of which said they felt as if they were being pulled to somewhere else that they didnt go to.

The latest one was fairly interesting, a FOAF smoked some extract and said me + my friend started fading away and these 2 entities were pulling him by his arms through this tunnel telling him "nothing here is real, they arnt real, you cant come back. Come with us, nothing there is real".

The ones before that reported various contacts with gnomish\elvish entities.

I think salvia IS a divine tool for contact, if you choose, to this "realm" of "salvia entities". You have to have the up-most respect for them, and what they do. They play and want you to have a crazy tripped out time (they are spirits that KNOW you are a human on a drug, and like to fuck with you). But they also ("them" and Sally) want to teach you and help you learn... that if nothing else, there is more to this world then what is in front of our eyes.

But its just all in our head right? Spirits arnt real... psychology is Lord, and substances like psilocybin and salvinorin. A just HAPPEN to make these intense experiences like this, and it is just CHANCE that salvia grows basically in one obscure part of the world in Mexico that just HAPPENS to be where mushrooms were most widely used and well known (Oaxaca). But spirituality is just a bad trait right? Bred out through social darwinism until we can finally achieve "pure" humanhood? Riiiiight, smoke some non-bunk salvia 10x after meditating for an hour... lemme know what you think then.  :crazy2:

Meditating for a while, taking a hit, then going right back into meditation as fast as possible works well. Also, the quid, or "dip", method of fresh leaves works well too (even for dry ones). Meditating for about 15-20 minutes, then putting in a quid, and going back into meditation. It will take another 15-30 minutes to kick in, and last for a lot longer then if smoked. GREAT for meditation! It hits you while you are in a deep state (un-disturbed by coming out to hit a bong). Anyway, good luck!  :thumbup: :grin:

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: SDP]
    #5893896 - 07/24/06 11:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

All excellent responses, thank you all for the help. This really means alot to me


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: SDP]
    #5893931 - 07/24/06 12:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Peace.
What you describe as "breakthrough" sounds like Level-5/"Disembodied Existence", which is no more miraculous froim a pharmacological point of view than taking a lot in a small amount of time.

At the moment I'm IN salviaspace, slightly over the treshold after chewing half a gram of leaf, and at the moment it comes across to me that, like you said, his Salvia 20x likely is a poor product.

Let us unite in our love for Diviner's Sage.

Viedub, you got to get yourself a live plant before the law slams the gate shut. Go to  The Salvia Divinorum Live Plant Marketplace and try to get hooked up, this goes for all who are interested in exploring Salvia.
Get the plant - spread the plant.

The peace of Salvia has overcome me. Every time I chew the leaves, it is clear to me once more that chewing the unaltered leaf is The Way.
Then it slowly rolls over you, lasting 1 to 2 hours, and you can adjust by chewing additional doses.

It would be silly to base "I don't like coffee" on one or two instances where you snorted a line of coffee powder. Coffee has to be drank to be fully appreciated. With the Salvia entheogen this is more so: you got to have had elaborate experience chewing it, before you know it. No asphyxiating quids or mouths full with saliva too, just a nibble here and a nibble there, slowly chewing over the course of 10 minutes, swallowing the saliva when desired.

Ah, the peace :fairy:

Those who only smoke Salvia, and that in high doses, have no idea of the peace that modest chewed doses can bring, and how gently Salvia takes you higher and lower, without the violent jerks up and down you so often get with smoking.

I'm going to drift out for now, fulfill my earthly duties for the day, and it looks like its a night of chewed Salvia for me :heart:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5893941 - 07/24/06 12:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This sucks, My disembodied friends don't want me to
do drugs anymore.I tried salvia and never broke through.
I promised to stop mail ordering magic plants.
Now I am being seduced.

I guess I am hanging in the wrong place.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: 905]
    #5893999 - 07/24/06 12:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If you decide to change your mind and continue to do drugs and your friends abandon you, maybe they weren't true friends? They might think it's the best thing to do so you realize your making a mistake, but if your not slamming heroin and smoking meth, your not doing harm to yourself like they think you are. Maybe explain to them the experiences and the myths, but if they feel the same, I dunno? Good luck with that.

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5894030 - 07/24/06 01:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

These are entities not humans.
They aren't going to abandon me. They want me to live in my
world not theirs.I told them I will never turn down LSD, shrooms, mesc.
they have accepted that, but they don't want me to do aya.
They said they came to me because I needed
help, and they have helped very much. I know they are always
with me, but want me to be independant.

I wanted to meet the spirits, when I did it was too much to deal with alone.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: 905]
    #5894044 - 07/24/06 01:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you can find where you are most comfortable
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different strokes for different folks

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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5894080 - 07/24/06 01:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:


A big part of the Salvia experience is letting it happen. In my view this shouldn't be overcome by higher doses, but rather by increasing surrender.
The key is to make it unfold without prejudice and, again, closing your eyes.

And modest doses which usually with open eyes give little more than dizziness and laughter almost invariably are completely compelling if you close your eyes and open your mind.

I don't think the "reverse tolerance" is something biological, but rather psychological.

You learn to open your mind for Salvia, so that it doesn't have to smash the gates to come in.

This holds the promise that you'll need less salvia if you "learn" the mind state, and this is exactly my experience. I'm strongly opposed to towering doses, and much in favor to learning the mind state on modest doses. Intense open-eye visuals tend to only happen with doses that are very high. People who do not have a lot of experience with Salvia have no business taking very high doses. This all to often leads to traumatic experiences, and the TONS of negative experience reports.

Learn to swim in the shallow end of the pool and then gradually work towards the deep end.






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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: 905]
    #5894097 - 07/24/06 01:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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905 said:
These are entities not humans.
They aren't going to abandon me. They want me to live in my
world not theirs.I told them I will never turn down LSD, shrooms, mesc.
they have accepted that, but they don't want me to do aya.
They said they came to me because I needed
help, and they have helped very much. I know they are always
with me, but want me to be independant.

I wanted to meet the spirits, when I did it was too much to deal with alone.




Oh, I feel like an ass.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5894126 - 07/24/06 01:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Don't feel like an ass. I am beginning to think english
is not my first language.

I feel like a thread hijacker. If I am tell me.
But I thought people who regularly go off to salvialand without fear
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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: 905]
    #5894149 - 07/24/06 01:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This thread delivers the goods.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5894176 - 07/24/06 02:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I am moving back into this plane slowly.
I have a yoga lesson this week, and am reading
meditation books.Ram Dass - Be here now, some others.

The Lady who teaches yoga is also a therapist and an ex
VA nurse(Drug abuse exp.).She says it sounds like I have a Zen Master
who smacks my head when I get out of line. This fits
my experience.

I still need to understand the spirit plane.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5894775 - 07/24/06 06:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Those who only smoke Salvia, and that in high doses, have no idea of the peace that modest chewed doses can bring, and how gently Salvia takes you higher and lower, without the violent jerks up and down you so often get with smoking.

This is something I would be interested in knowing more about. I've tried chewing Salvia, but I just got a stomach ache. How much did you chew and are there any "special techniques" to chewing it? Should you spit or swallow?


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5895678 - 07/24/06 10:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
...just a nibble here and a nibble there, slowly chewing over the course of 10 minutes, swallowing the saliva when desired.




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    #5895784 - 07/24/06 11:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quantify a "nibble here and a nibble there."


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5896033 - 07/24/06 11:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think the "reverse tolerance" is something biological, but rather psychological.

You learn to open your mind for Salvia, so that it doesn't have to smash the gates to come in.




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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5896116 - 07/25/06 12:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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viedub said:
Yeah.. I'm actually a little frustrated, I should be more then good with 20x and some fat rips, but alas nothing.. well not nothing, but no ego loss. I hold the smoke in for a long time, I really don't know what else to do. Perhaps if i bought a bong that would increase the effect ? I was only using a small pipe...





For what it's worth, the most effective method for consumption IMHO is a bong. When I used this substance it wasn't extract, just straight Salvia Divornium sold by the ounce at an underground psychedelic shop. After trying to smoke with with a standard glass pipe, and even regular bongs, I found the best method was to hit a bong because you were able to ingest the maximum possible (an entire bowl) in one hit, and then hold that in for as long as possible. Before the Shroomery's existence (before I knew it existed I should say) about 7 years ago I read about Salvia on Erowid. I came to the understanding the trick to Salvia is you must consume your dose in a limited window of opportunity at the beginning. After reading some more on this site, I am not so sure of this....

Others have mentioned chewing, which is the first I have heard but sounds very fulfilling. Wiccan seems to know the most about this given topic, I would follow his advice.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Phishe]
    #5896176 - 07/25/06 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Phishe said:
Quote:

EndlessNameless said:
Quote:

Phishe said:
I think these entities are trying to take you to salvia land...

I'm not experienced with salvia, and from what i hear, breakthrough is mostly garbage.
Sounds like your tripping from salvia just a week trip. Try to smoke more?




He is smoking Salvia 20 x Extract, the amount he smokes is not a factor here. Don't comment unless you have some potentially helpful input




I was only trying to help. This is a community after all, and I'd like to think that everybody has a say. Don't try to make this into a communist forum.  :thumbdown:





You are right, I apologize. I was having a really rough day. I was just trying to make it clear to this guy the dosage in question is not the issue, not only is it very expensive, but it's a very large quantity he took within a matter of hours. Again, I'm sorry, no hard feelings?


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: EndlessNameless]
    #5897404 - 07/25/06 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well just to update, I had a crazy 'breakthrough' trip last night. Much smaller dose mind you, one hit was more then enough. Little to no lighting is also key, but I felt the need to keep my eyes open (slightly). In fact i found myself squinting so I could still see a bit, yet letting the darkness take over and let my tripping mind run wild. In anycase, it is very much a mindstate drug, as this time was a full on hugely psychedelic experience.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5900660 - 07/26/06 02:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I've gotten [too] intense open eyed hallucinations before. It doesn't seem uncommon at all, as long as you smoke it correctly.




I wouldn't say its uncommon.
I know my first experience with extract ( 5x ) was probably about a strong level 5 or weak level 6... because I remember entering this new reality and I remember leaving, but i can recall almost nothing in between. The effects were overwhelming, it was way too strong... just one hit out of a pipe held for about 20 seconds... I know my eyes were open when I entered and also when I came back to the real world, but while I was tripping I saw nothing in the real world. I was quite new to SaDi at the time.  Though I had a weak level 5 or a strong level 4 (OEV)my first dance with Sally (after smoking 3 1/2 bowls of leaf through a pipe with a bowl about 1 1/4in deep & 5/8in wide), I hadn't understood her my first time. I noticed that what my first experience with extract showed me was that I had to let go of who I am, to let go of this reality ( my ego, as some put it ), and I was also given a newer respect for Salvia.... Sorry for rambling but I thought maybe I could help someone here by making the point that It takes time, practice, willingness to learn, and IMHO you must learn to be able to let go of who you are and your true reality to accept the entrance into a new world and have a profound experience..... and much more which you will learn in time, provided you view it with the right mentality. Personally I think the key is to have the right attitude or The Shepherdess won't let you "breakthrough" her gate, and may chase you away from salvia.
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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: yoke]
    #5900861 - 07/26/06 03:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This may make my point a bit clearer.
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:

A big part of the Salvia experience is letting it happen. In my view this shouldn't be overcome by higher doses, but rather by increasing surrender.
The key is to make it unfold without prejudice and, again, closing your eyes.

And modest doses which usually with open eyes give little more than dizziness and laughter almost invariably are completely compelling if you close your eyes and open your mind.

I don't think the "reverse tolerance" is something biological, but rather psychological.

You learn to open your mind for Salvia, so that it doesn't have to smash the gates to come in.

This holds the promise that you'll need less salvia if you "learn" the mind state, and this is exactly my experience. I'm strongly opposed to towering doses, and much in favor to learning the mind state on modest doses. Intense open-eye visuals tend to only happen with doses that are very high. People who do not have a lot of experience with Salvia have no business taking very high doses. This all to often leads to traumatic experiences, and the TONS of negative experience reports.

Learn to swim in the shallow end of the pool and then gradually work towards the deep end.




I couldn't agree more.  :thumbup:
  (In fact for a while now, I've been practicing with nothing but leaf)


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: yoke]
    #5901060 - 07/26/06 06:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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yoke said:

I noticed that what my first experience with extract showed me was that I had to let go of who I am, to let go of this reality ( my ego, as some put it )

...and IMHO you must learn to be able to let go of who you are and your true reality to accept the entrance into a new world and have a profound experience.....




I realize this everytime I smoke Salvia, something wants to take me somewhere but in order to go I have to leave everything behind.. I feel it everytime, I've even sensed (kind of like telepathy) someone telling me things such as "Look!", I heard that specificly 3 times the last time I packed up a bowl of plain leaf and killed it all in 4 hits, as I layed there I tryed letting it all go.. I tryed listening to the voices that popped into my head telling me to look, I knew what I had to do in order to see what it was trying to show me.. but I couldn't.

In my mind in order for me to see what it had to show me I had to leave this world completely, everything with it, my body was no problem, on the other hand, my ego was the big problem. I remeber that during this time period in my mind there was a war going on between the thought of Salvia taking me out of this world to another place, and me being in the same place on Earth, at the same time. Because I ultimately knew where I was going to end up, where I already was.. In my room, smoking Salvia.

Then my brain started to contradict the thought of Saliva even taking me anywhere at all, knowing that I was in my room, and the only reason I thought I could go anywhere in the first place was because I inhaled this herb. Knowing who I was, knowing what I was trying to accomplish, knowing that it was only a chemical reaction going on in my brain, how was I supposed to let myself go anywhere knowing that the destination isn't anywhere further than my own mind. And how could I leave this Earth when my mind is a physical part of it? I then felt that Salivia takes you no further than your own mind can already reach, and that it only acts as at catalyst towards certain thought patterns.. Like its a dream-state all made up within your own mind. (But hell, who's to say that this very world isn't?) Thoughts like this were all running through my mind during, and obviously afterwards, it seems like a big loophole and the thoughts just get even more detailed..I was pissed I was not able to see what it tryed to show me and I was trying to better understand how I could prepare myself more next time.

Its uncomprehendable... but so was acid, but at the same time acid also made complete sense.. Maybe I need to look further, maybe I need to up the dosage and start using extract.. I seem to not have much visualizations at all, if anything its very short, and hard to remeber like a dream.. Its also hard to keep my eyes completely closed too, I duno why but whenever I smoke Sally my eyes always squint, as I start to feel this pulsating feeling, its the usual comeup feeling for me, a certain something that reminds me where im going. My experiances may be described more like a delusion rather than anything I guess you could say... Any Salvia users have any good advice?

P.S. I used to have thoughts like this all the time before I even did any drugs, about life and how shit works and all that BS.. You know what im talking about.. I even forced myself to stop thinking like that, due to the fact that it was stupid to waste your time with your head in the clouds trying to figure out something you cant begin to understand along with everyone else that has tried for thousands of years. Im glad that I stopped all that chaotic in-depth thinking about life and such a long time ago, it doesnt get you much of anywhere but people who think your looney.. Im not really sure why it came back to me while I was smoking Salvia, but I seem to always get this type of anxiety-like spastic thought pattern whenever I do. Strange, just wish I'd get over it.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Tomcat23]
    #5901082 - 07/26/06 06:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the only advice I can give in that regard is to let go and see what is happenning.
just look
this world becomes transformed as it is, to what it is.
rather than becoming transformed with willful plasticity as you think it.

it all happens quickly so you can't exactly fuss about.
sure it is plastic and flexive and can actually be steered, but if you let it go where it wants to go you will see the most radical things.

keep a pad and pen (that works) near by incase you are so astonished that you just must write a thing or two.
I find I can even write in the dark if i have to.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Tomcat23]
    #5901085 - 07/26/06 06:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hi Tom!

I can relate your text very closely. Feels just like I could have written it, except the acid part.

I have felt the exact feelings. Someone taking me somewhere and telling me its ok but at the same time being worried about leaving this world.

The second and last paragraphs are also familiar.

I think the next step is to up the dosage, or try the 'chewing leaves' method as I think there is more time to travel and experience. More time to get accustomed to the journey.

Meditation may also help you to keep out the unsatisfying feelings that you get from thinking about leaving this side.


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: viedub]
    #5901295 - 07/26/06 09:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the PM!

Quote:

I had a crazy 'breakthrough' trip last night. Much smaller dose mind you, one hit was more then enough. Little to no lighting is also key




I hate to say I told you so but.. no wait, I don't hate it at all!
I'm GLAD that it WORKED FOR YOU to take much smaller doses in a more supportive setting.

You were afraid Salvia couldn't get you high, but now look at what it did.

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I felt the need to keep my eyes open




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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: Asante]
    #5902736 - 07/26/06 09:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Tomcat23 & astraalialma.... It used to be the same for me, until i had a powerful experience on extract... the extract seemed to force me into the new reality and for some reason it helped me learn how to 'let go'... lately I've been using nothing but leaf, just practicing & learning... maybe I'll start using extract every now and again, but I'm not gonna touch any extract for a while.

..... Oh and remember that you just took a chemical substance and you'll be back to normal shortly. :smile:


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Re: Tackling the salvia beast. [Re: yoke]
    #5917772 - 07/31/06 07:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I had some great 3-4lvl trips(all leaf)last night while listening to Grateful Dead - American Beauty... very interesting, especially when I took a huge hit and listened to Attics Of My Life. I won't soon forget those trips.  :smile:


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