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InvisibleFreakQlibrium
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Cultivation question
    #5885434 - 07/21/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hello all, this is my first post in this forum :yesnod: I just got my myco bags and spore syringes and was wondering how deeply do you inject the cake/substrate or whatever the fuck it is. Do you just break the surface and squirt or do you push the needle in as far as it will go? Also: They recommend putting 3 cc's in the centre and i was wondering if perhaps putting 1 cc in the centre and another 1 cc on either end of the substrate. As I'm sure you can tell this is my first time doing this  :blush:


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5885513 - 07/21/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You got to shake the bags, so it doesn't matter where you inject, as long as its inside the substrate. I think...


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5885541 - 07/21/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What adjust said. Just squirt it in, then "knead" it into the substrate.

I don't mean to come off like a dick here but I STROOOOONGLY recommend you do more reading before you do squat. If you're wondering about something like how far you have to inject, then I'm guessing you don't have the finer points about sterility down yet (among other things).

Again, that isn't a flame. Just advice.

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Re: Cultivation question [Re: splifner180]
    #5885559 - 07/21/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Have you made jars at all before? It's the same concept. What you are growing in the bag is your spawn. Unless you are growing in vitro (neat idea still haven't tried it though) You do need to mix up the bag for faster colonization (same idea as injecting in four spots in the jars) What are you using as spawn?

The idea behind the bags is to create spawn to spawn to a subrate for bulk growing. :smile: Hope that helps. But i do agree with spilf. You might want to read some more.


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: malarki]
    #5885569 - 07/21/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, I have never done jars B4 this is my first attempt at culivating ANYTHING :yesnod: and to the poster above you: I didn't interpret what you said as a flame, merely constructive criticism :smile:


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: malarki]
    #5885571 - 07/21/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Pffph, edited.

This is obviously sarcasm. :P


Edited by stormhalter (07/21/06 07:53 PM)


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: stormhalter]
    #5885593 - 07/21/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My advice is to spend a week solid reading the cultivation forum. Use the search feature like a madman. And when you have enough posts/time here (I think it's 10 posts and 10 days or something, I forget), you get access to the grow logs. Start reading those too.

If you don't take the time to learn the **** out of this hobby, you stand a decent chance of horking up your grow. Better to postpone it a week and get it done properly. A stitch in time saves nine and all that... =)

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Re: Cultivation question [Re: stormhalter]
    #5885610 - 07/21/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

OK well I don't recommend growing bulk for the first time or trying casings the first time, but it's your decision. If you want to try to grow with the bags maybe look into doing it invitro. Untill you get a little experince it can be difficult to start advanced. And frustrating when you don't succeedhttp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5278987/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/6




Is there a reason you wanted to try that first instead of an non advanced tek? (Just wondering) What are you using for spawn?


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: malarki]
    #5885650 - 07/21/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It was my impression that this was the least advanced method there was which is exactly why i chose it :yesnod: Thankyou for the link though i will explore it


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: malarki]
    #5885655 - 07/21/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's grain substrate


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5885681 - 07/21/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

AFAIK "pf tek" is the "beginner" method.

But I started off with bulk (see my sig, WBS -> hpoo) and did fine. The first two tries went tits-up but that was due to bunk syringes). Granted, it IS a little bit harder and only for the people willing to spend hours every day reading up, but...

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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5885698 - 07/21/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

FreakQlibrium said:
It was my impression that this was the least advanced method there was which is exactly why i chose it :yesnod: Thankyou for the link though i will explore it




By no means is it hard to grow anything. But starting off is hard :smile: I am sure you will do fine. Just make sure that you are well researched :smile: And when in doubt post a ? that's important, If you aren't sure someone will always help you :smile:

GOOD LUCK:)


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: malarki]
    #5885749 - 07/21/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks a lot man, i fully realize i may come off as some naive 16 year old kid but i can assure  you i'm not. I'm almost 52 and did pure MDA, STP and many more unmentionable compounds back in the very early 70's :yesnod:


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5885786 - 07/21/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep no prob :smile: And not at all the least naive people are the ones asking questions. Not using your resources and asking to make sure is NAIVE:) You are wise for asking questions no matter how "stupid" it seems to others. When they have been doing it a long time it frustrating to have beginners ask the same things over thats all. But MOST people on here aren't to judgemental:)


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5885814 - 07/21/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

PIHKaL. Rock on. =)

Almost fourteen thousand posts and this is your first stop in Cult? Yowza. Welcome aboard.

Growing shrooms is kinda like getting laid. The first time you're nervous as fuck and you analyze everything but once it's over, it's about as hard as brushing your teeth. Two months ago I was sweating my first jars, looking them over every fifteen minutes. Now I go without inspecting my jars for days. Eventually I look and voila, mycelium.

Welcome to the club. You'll find lots of help here, I'm sure.

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Re: Cultivation question [Re: splifner180]
    #5885836 - 07/21/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thankyou for a very warm welcome my friend, i admit i was somewhat trepidacious to enter into this forum but now that i have i am glad that i did :smile:


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5886047 - 07/21/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Amen splif... That's exactally how it is... i remember my first time... it was a fucking boner parade... every day i'd get the biggest woody when i saw even a tiny bit of myc growth... Those were the days, now I just 'set it and forget it'... speaking of which, I probably have a few jars ready to spawn... haha.. brb :P


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5886703 - 07/22/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yep that is how it goes alright. I was always checking and double checking and rechecking. And is that mold is this ?? did I do this right? I was lucky though I have wise eyes watching over and guiding me. So I didn't have to out source :smile:  Experience is a wonderful thing, but knowledge is what leads you to success and experience... ignorance leads to failure. :smile:


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Re: Cultivation question [Re: splifner180]
    #5887044 - 07/22/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I suppose ultimately the best course of action may just be to experiment on my own, perhaps inoculate 3 or 4 bags utilizing different srategems with each one and see what works best :yesnod:


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