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I Want to Die Alone
#5885663 - 07/21/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I was in elementary school, I remember hearing how my friend Bruce K.'s grandfather, living in a nursing home that backed up to a heavily wooded, undeveloped area, 'escaped' the nursing home. They found him a few days later, in the woods, lying down and dead. Years later I heard about a backpacker found in West Orange, New Jersey's South Mountain Reservation (near the house I grew up in) lying with his head on his backpack against a tree, looking through a break in the trees at the sky.
My third acid trip had me near the location of that backpacker, on a cold, gray, drizzly fall Saturday morning, staring into the gray sky and Experiencing Infinity - Very God!
I hope that I can be in a deciduous forest outside of Florida when my time comes. Spring would be best, but summer or fall would work. I would like to be tripping and I would like to be alone. Like other trips, I believe that curious birds and animals, probably aware of vibes and energies that we never perceive, will draw closer to me as they have while I've been on large doses of LSD. I fantasize that I'll begin to emanate the Rainbow Body that Bodhisattvas are said to manifest at death (probably visible only to birds in my case), and that the inner dynamics that I've visualized will begin: the central channel of energy will expand and become an Infinite Radiant space. The Red and White 'drops' in my Heart Center will unify to fill that Infinite Space with Unbearable Compassion, and that Unity will rise through the Crown Center as Compassion and Wisdom unite in a Cosmic Orgasm ot Transcendental Ecstasy. "Paradise." The Pleroma. Islamic Fana - extinction of separateness from God. Then, I will be no more the separate and suffering 'Spark' of Consciousness thrown from the Light of the Godhead into this world of longing, isolation and burning desire.
If I'm fortunate to be able to die at home (a warrior's stance will be needed to remain strong enough to do so) - I want any friends or helpers to give me a hug goodbye and leave so I can die in peace - even in the midst of possible pain and death throws. Have you never been really sick and Experienced the Witness benignly 'smiling' through your misery like the sun that shines through storm clouds? I have. The Buddhists say that strong emotions are like thunder-claps to the person who is dying consciously. I've always wanted to sit in the Siddha position (half lotus) which is more natural to me than full lotus, but that is perhaps a heroic fantasy. I would practice Yogic Pranayama, apply the Bandas (anal, abdominal and chin locks) and force my mind into my Heart Center. If I'm having a heart attack, my consciousness will be drawn to the intense pain, and hopefully I'll be able to use that pain to go within. A cerebral vascular event (e.g., a stroke) will f**k up all my plans, but if that is the case, then I'll just be meeting the Wrathful Deities of the Crown Center, head on, so-to-speak. I'll have to pass through the pains of hell attached to the Head Centers (which are fiercer than the Peaceful Deities of the Heart Center, despite the pain of a heart attack).
Of course, all this depends on the grace of a conscious death. Sudden death will allegedly be immediately disorienting, and one needs to recognize in the immediacy of the disembodied condition the openness - a non-verbal, non-cognitive, ontological sense of 'YES!' So, as the Boy Scout motto says, dear friends, "Be Prepared."
"Hey, remember that guy who called himself MarkostheGnostic?" "I hear he died." "Whoa! Really?" Annoying sometimes, but he could really be 'out there.' "Yeah...I wonder if he ever got what he was looking for." "Well, well never know...but one thing's for sure - he's dead." "Yeah, it's hard to doubt death, but I swear that when I was reading one of his ancient archived posts, the font kept turning from black 'Ariel' to rainbow colors - like something was wrong with the color setting on the monitor." "Ah! Probably your imagination, or a 'flashback' or your monitor is about to die." "Yeah, you're probably right. I thought it might be....nah." 
Peace and Love to One and All. -MtG
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Death is a fascinating topic. Especially the thought of our own death. Thank you for sharing.
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I think that when we die, we just die...our consciousness (which is made up completely of non-conscious elements) transforms into something(s) else.
I'd like to think that all that other stuff is just metaphor for the transformation process and an almost romanticized and self-serving point of view (you don't ACTUALLY die, you just become something else...very consoling indeed).
But, fuck if I know.
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Thank you for thanking him for sharing.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Fractalated]
#5886715 - 07/22/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that, if I was aware of my death and was able to plan it, I would be in Norway, and would have time to immerse myself in the surroundings, enjoy some psychadelics, and really send myself off... Float off into the fjords on a burning, wooden ship.... That would be a powerful experience, I think... 
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Markos - Your thoughts and beliefs are facinating. I think the concept of death being a highly sacred experience of the consious and spiritual self is very real. Preperation is essential, atleast for the acknowledgement of the mysterious force for which governs it. I would think that in any person's final moments, having been lead to that place and time and collective fate, they will understand. My only fear is that I shall be taken before doing anything worthy on this world, or not leaving behind the gifts I had worked so meticulously at achieving in this short life of ours. Silence would be most desireable to accompany the parting soul, or even having triumphant music would be nice.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: WIZOLZ]
#5887189 - 07/22/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bach - Come Sweet Death always struck a chord with me.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: WIZOLZ]
#5887360 - 07/22/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had prepared a pretty long-winded response to your post before a lightning flash knocked out the power. Well, I can take a hint. Just as well for you, but I will say that your comment referring to regret reminded me of Irv Yalom's book Existential Psychotherapy (an atheistic, purely Existential and non-Ontological view). Without a sense of meaning derived from Transcendental Being - the 'creator' of existence, one may be left with (among other forms of existential malaise like isolation, meaninglessness, anxiety, etc.), existential guilt.
"Existential guilt goes beyond the traditional guilt whereby the individual regrets a real or fantasized transgression against another...it emanates from regret, from an awareness of the unlived life, of the untapped possibilities within one." (p. 319)
The antidote as I see it is to see one's 'relatively' free will intertwined with the Deterministic matrix of pure Being. BE HERE NOW espouses:
"YOU ARE A TOTALLY DETERMINED BEING. The very moment you will wake up IS TOTALLY DETERMINED. How long you sleep IS TOTALLY DETERMINED. What you will hear of what I say IS TOTALLY DETERMINED."
In other words, regrets must evaporate when one shifts to a primarily Ontological perspective from a primarily existential one. This is where Buddhism begins - with "Life [Existence] is suffering." The solution is Nirvana - a Transcendental Summum Bonum - Realization of Pure Consciousness - GOD. It is not what we 'do' that is of real consequence, it is a Way of Being that ultimately fulfills us and lends meaning to an otherwise meaningless existence.
Peace be with you.
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I really enjoyed your post.Thank you!
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to markos; sometimes I guess your long wind can be refreshing. I may not have such a library of aspirations for death, and usually prefer bumpersticker length postage, but here you got under my skin with honesty and passion.
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redgreenvines said: to markos; sometimes I guess your long wind can be refreshing. I may not have such a library of aspirations for death, and usually prefer bumpersticker length postage, but here you got under my skin with honesty and passion.
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Do you think that your desire to die alone is in part a response to our cultural attitudes towards death? Could you imagine a scenario, though unavailable to you, where the aid of people would be an asset during your death (Tibetan monks, a realized being like Neem Karoli Baba, ________)?
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I hope that I can be in a deciduous forest outside of Florida when my time comes. Spring would be best, but summer or fall would work. I would like to be tripping and I would like to be alone. Like other trips, I believe that curious birds and animals, probably aware of vibes and energies that we never perceive, will draw closer to me as they have while I've been on large doses of LSD. I fantasize that I'll begin to emanate the Rainbow Body that Bodhisattvas are said to manifest at death (probably visible only to birds in my case), and that the inner dynamics that I've visualized will begin: the central channel of energy will expand and become an Infinite Radiant space. The Red and White 'drops' in my Heart Center will unify to fill that Infinite Space with Unbearable Compassion, and that Unity will rise through the Crown Center as Compassion and Wisdom unite in a Cosmic Orgasm ot Transcendental Ecstasy. "Paradise." The Pleroma. Islamic Fana - extinction of separateness from God. Then, I will be no more the separate and suffering 'Spark' of Consciousness thrown from the Light of the Godhead into this world of longing, isolation and burning desire.
In this scenario you're describing a Yogi like effort where you are exiting your body at will because you have completed your Sadhana here on earth, more-or-less, right? Your friend's grandfather reminds me of an instinctual drive, like the way a domesticated animal may choose to wander off into the woods to lay down and die. To be on par, how does this scenario come about? Readiness or necessity?
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If I'm having a heart attack, my consciousness will be drawn to the intense pain, and hopefully I'll be able to use that pain to go within. A cerebral vascular event (e.g., a stroke) will f**k up all my plans, but if that is the case, then I'll just be meeting the Wrathful Deities of the Crown Center, head on, so-to-speak. I'll have to pass through the pains of hell attached to the Head Centers (which are fiercer than the Peaceful Deities of the Heart Center, despite the pain of a heart attack).
Did you watch the documentary on Ram Dass - _Fierce Grace_? Ram Dass talks about what he found most surprising during his stroke was that he merely lied there staring at the pipes in the ceiling. He was not able to orientate himself to Spirit. Then he says to be able to orientate towards the Spirit in that situation is The Test. In spite of how seriously he considers The Test, he bubbles up with laughter when he then says "I flunked the test!" So in that sense he considers the brush with death Grace, as it showed him that he still has work left to do.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5892785 - 07/23/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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People are always gonna be a distraction to Yogic inner work. When I took intense trips I did so alone. How is a healthfully embodied individual gonna help? If I could die in a Tibetan Buddhist monastery? Is that what you mean? Well, yes - moreso than the emotional drama of say, Catholic monks. I don't want the opportunity to seek solace in regressive, maternal associations, neither would I want my romantic partner, though, if I'm very old, I can't imagine an erotic distraction How much control I'll have is unknown of course. Someone has to bust out the two San Francisco sugar cubes I've been saving all my life for the event. 
Good exam question! Ever read that Neem Karolie-Ram Dass tale about the kid who retired to a cave and died doing acid and pranayama? Baba said "He is with Christ" in a specific reference and consoling manner. The kid went off to push the limit where he wouldn't be disturbed. Suicidal? Instinctual? I once prayed for new neighbors. I asked for Indian people with Ph.D.s, and possibly mental health professionals (the house next door kept housing real low-life. Even rats began to appear.). God provided EXACTLY what I asked for - Indians with Ph.D.s, one of whom was a mental health counselor like myself!!! What are the chances? Impossible. No 'chance' at all!!! They told me of an 'asana' performed by the woman's father of sitting in lotus, under water, holding onto reeds. He forced his consciousness to leave the body (he was delusional and falsely believed himself to habe leprosy). He was found dead, but there was no water in his lungs. He did not drown. He did what I described and his prana re-entered the Cosmic Ocean of Prana, so-to-speak. He died consciously. It was contrary to instinct to do that. Similarly...
I read about his stroke, but did not see the documentary. What was the confusion? For the Zen monk simply lying in bed and dying, death is "the squirrel running on the roof." Why not pipes running along the ceiling? Problem for Ram Dass is his intellectual attraction to Zen, while initiated by a Hindu Yogi. Conceptions got in his way (but I'm happy that he did not die).
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Good post  Reminds me of the American Indian tribes, sending the old off into the woods to die. Thats how I want to go. I,ll like to go off into the Alaskan wilderness.
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It seems to me that it's impossible to NOT die alone. Who can you take with you when you die?
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: MOTH]
#5894345 - 07/24/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ellemy is right all that trouble for what?
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: MOTH]
#5894355 - 07/24/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Teenagers routinely off themselves in cars, taking any number of their friends with them. Of course, they never tell their friends its gonna be that kind of ride. Additionally, you know what I mean People often want their loved ones around, a huge maudlin drama, crying, fainting, the whole nine yards. If fear needs to be kept away by that, so be it. I just happen to believe that the nature of one's state of mind at the time of 'cessation' has a profound effect on the quality of one's death.
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"I just happen to believe that the nature of one's state of mind at the time of 'cessation' has a profound effect on the quality of one's death."
Well, they are your last minutes so you might as well enjoy them. As for me, just give me a 6 pack of beer, a dozen hits of acid, and a case of dynamite to help me enjoy my last minutes.
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Because if one takes Yoga philosophy and psychology seriously, the way in which the prana [life-force] exits the mind-body makes a difference in the post-mortem state (clinical death does not mean that nothing is happening, only that electronic devices fail to detect brain wave activity. Subtle processes that correlate with subjective inner experience may be no more detectable than the inner experience itself. Only the subject Knows for sure.
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I've always wanted to go out Huxley style.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Because if one takes Yoga philosophy and psychology seriously, the way in which the prana [life-force] exits the mind-body makes a difference in the post-mortem state (clinical death does not mean that nothing is happening, only that electronic devices fail to detect brain wave activity. Subtle processes that correlate with subjective inner experience may be no more detectable than the inner experience itself. Only the subject Knows for sure.
incredible insight. anymore information on this theory?
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Syle]
#5895349 - 07/24/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's called Yoga and any decent text will discuss the prana, apana, udayana and apana aspects which energize different regions of of our being. I don't want the semen-emission type of death, for example, which ostensibly leads right through the orgasm and transtemporal shift to another womb and rebirth. I'm looking for the Upanishadic/Bardol Thodol exit between Heart and Head that results in Liberation, Freedom from metempsychosis. But then again, I must be crazy taking ancient metaphysical teachings as Truth. Nevertheless, I believe.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Silversoul]
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Yes, I sort of implied that. Me too.
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huxley's wife was amazing will mine light the pipe?
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I don't think I'd want to die around other people either. Ideally, I'd like to die by the small river where I had one of my most intense mystical experiences, a trip to this date I call "the crayfish trip" since during the experience I found a beached crayfish drying up on a rock beside a spill way. I picked it up by the back and walked about 20 minutes with it to place it in some calmer waters. I'm not sure why this was significant to me. Some animal, one of zillions to crawl the planet, that I'll probably always remember for the simple reason that it shared a life-changing moment with me. When I placed it by the water it immediatley went into a claw span toward the sky for an extended period, which seemed weird. Whats with memory burns anyway? I always remember funkiest mundane things for some reason. Right after that night I arrogantly lamented over all the deceased famous materialists, especially Freud, saying to myself "I actually know they're wrong! And I'm just some kid!" I wasn't exactly a shining example of humility then, God forgive me.
Perhaps 50 years from now, on my last days, I'll have someone leave me there in a wheelchair as I dose a final time, and prepare to have the earth, fire water and air siphoned right out of me. The head and chest area are focal points of life support, so I'll probably experience either bodily areas completely dominating me, almost as if they are otherly entities as I imagine it (the deities of the heart and head centers??). Then *poof*. Hopefully no wombs. Just an end to a very long exile from the Beloved. The realization that I've just docked on the true homeland. An ocean that woos every drop within it.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Basilides]
#5895835 - 07/24/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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almost all of these posts are incredible.
this is why i love the shroomery so much.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Basilides]
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Nice, very nice. We both tend to romanticize. I remember Ram Dass once writing about a "pressure" he felt in his head that he called "psychic" and which he believed came from many trips. Some years later he had a stroke. My last entheogenic excursion gave me feeling to be concerned about re: my blood pressure. Anticipatory anxiety earlier in the day brought my pressure up. It may well be that I don't intuit the end is near and reach for a psychedelic - it might turn out that while on a psychedelic I incur a vascular incident - stroke or heart attack. The difference is in the experience of feeling in control or not. I like to imagine that I'll be a good deal older than my present age, but one never knows. I've finally gotten to like my life after a lot of lifetime when I didn't. I hope I have the opportunity to enjoy it a while longer and get to a place where I can have it taken from me without fear or regret - with equanimity. As my old high school friend Kenny calmly said the night we came down from Windowpane LSD for the first time (July 1, 1972): "If ya die, ya die."
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MarkostheGnostic said: Teenagers routinely off themselves in cars, taking any number of their friends with them. Of course, they never tell their friends its gonna be that kind of ride. Additionally, you know what I mean People often want their loved ones around, a huge maudlin drama, crying, fainting, the whole nine yards. If fear needs to be kept away by that, so be it. I just happen to believe that the nature of one's state of mind at the time of 'cessation' has a profound effect on the quality of one's death.
Okay, I wasn't being cheeky, just tripping on four hits of acid. 
I guess I took the title of this thread literally! 
As for teenagers offing themselves in cars with friends....wow, it makes me sad to imagine that. 
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People are always gonna be a distraction to Yogic inner work. When I took intense trips I did so alone. How is a healthfully embodied individual gonna help? If I could die in a Tibetan Buddhist monastery? Is that what you mean? Well, yes - moreso than the emotional drama of say, Catholic monks. I don't want the opportunity to seek solace in regressive, maternal associations, neither would I want my romantic partner, though, if I'm very old, I can't imagine an erotic distraction How much control I'll have is unknown of course. Someone has to bust out the two San Francisco sugar cubes I've been saving all my life for the event.
Wouldn't the distraction of other people while doing inner Yogic work potentially be another thing to transcend? It seems a Satsang can practice Yoga together. I was thinking that sharing one's Conscious death with others could provide them with that map of Consciousness and that too would be working on the Self, as an act of Karma Yoga.
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Someone has to bust out the two San Francisco sugar cubes I've been saving all my life for the event.
And all I was able to turn up at this infamous intersection was a lousy Tee Shirt :P
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Good exam question! Ever read that Neem Karolie-Ram Dass tale about the kid who retired to a cave and died doing acid and pranayama? Baba said "He is with Christ" in a specific reference and consoling manner. The kid went off to push the limit where he wouldn't be disturbed. Suicidal? Instinctual? I once prayed for new neighbors. I asked for Indian people with Ph.D.s, and possibly mental health professionals (the house next door kept housing real low-life. Even rats began to appear.). God provided EXACTLY what I asked for - Indians with Ph.D.s, one of whom was a mental health counselor like myself!!! What are the chances? Impossible. No 'chance' at all!!! They told me of an 'asana' performed by the woman's father of sitting in lotus, under water, holding onto reeds. He forced his consciousness to leave the body (he was delusional and falsely believed himself to habe leprosy). He was found dead, but there was no water in his lungs. He did not drown. He did what I described and his prana re-entered the Cosmic Ocean of Prana, so-to-speak. He died consciously. It was contrary to instinct to do that. Similarly...
Right, his mother asked Ram Dass to ask the Maharaji what happened to him, and the Maharaji said he was done with his work, that he was with God now. Another story in Be Here Now is of somebody who injected some chemical to force himself deeper into Pranayam and died, and Ram Dass says that leaving the body that way entailed ego, leaving him with more work to do but no body to do it in. To undergo death this way, it seems one would have to Gnow they're ready.
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I read about his stroke, but did not see the documentary. What was the confusion? For the Zen monk simply lying in bed and dying, death is "the squirrel running on the roof." Why not pipes running along the ceiling? Problem for Ram Dass is his intellectual attraction to Zen, while initiated by a Hindu Yogi. Conceptions got in his way (but I'm happy that he did not die).
I remember also that he said that for several days after the stroke he felt as if though he was without his Guru. Perhaps he bought into other people's trip... "Poor Ram Dass".
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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`Wow, who ever said they wanted to die alone. Not you. Don't start that bullshit now. Not with the Lord and Lady at side. Your Lady, do you remember you told me about her, and how you lived in Florida? Well I think you'll never be alone, even if in your most despair you thought you were. In the hour of torture, where Satan holds the most realm of power, you are not alone on the spring racks. Summers scorn heat blazers on your back, and in thought your eyes rise like a Phoenix. She, the Lady, the Lord, her. Trinity. She pulled you up. She brings me up, like a lotus, not when you smoke it.
-------------------- "War Doesn't Decide Who's Right... It Decides Who's Left."
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