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Silversoul
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I've always wanted to go out Huxley style.
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Syle
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MarkostheGnostic said: Because if one takes Yoga philosophy and psychology seriously, the way in which the prana [life-force] exits the mind-body makes a difference in the post-mortem state (clinical death does not mean that nothing is happening, only that electronic devices fail to detect brain wave activity. Subtle processes that correlate with subjective inner experience may be no more detectable than the inner experience itself. Only the subject Knows for sure.
incredible insight. anymore information on this theory?
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Syle]
#5895349 - 07/24/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's called Yoga and any decent text will discuss the prana, apana, udayana and apana aspects which energize different regions of of our being. I don't want the semen-emission type of death, for example, which ostensibly leads right through the orgasm and transtemporal shift to another womb and rebirth. I'm looking for the Upanishadic/Bardol Thodol exit between Heart and Head that results in Liberation, Freedom from metempsychosis. But then again, I must be crazy taking ancient metaphysical teachings as Truth. Nevertheless, I believe.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Silversoul]
#5895350 - 07/24/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I sort of implied that. Me too.
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redgreenvines
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huxley's wife was amazing will mine light the pipe?
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Basilides
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I don't think I'd want to die around other people either. Ideally, I'd like to die by the small river where I had one of my most intense mystical experiences, a trip to this date I call "the crayfish trip" since during the experience I found a beached crayfish drying up on a rock beside a spill way. I picked it up by the back and walked about 20 minutes with it to place it in some calmer waters. I'm not sure why this was significant to me. Some animal, one of zillions to crawl the planet, that I'll probably always remember for the simple reason that it shared a life-changing moment with me. When I placed it by the water it immediatley went into a claw span toward the sky for an extended period, which seemed weird. Whats with memory burns anyway? I always remember funkiest mundane things for some reason. Right after that night I arrogantly lamented over all the deceased famous materialists, especially Freud, saying to myself "I actually know they're wrong! And I'm just some kid!" I wasn't exactly a shining example of humility then, God forgive me.
Perhaps 50 years from now, on my last days, I'll have someone leave me there in a wheelchair as I dose a final time, and prepare to have the earth, fire water and air siphoned right out of me. The head and chest area are focal points of life support, so I'll probably experience either bodily areas completely dominating me, almost as if they are otherly entities as I imagine it (the deities of the heart and head centers??). Then *poof*. Hopefully no wombs. Just an end to a very long exile from the Beloved. The realization that I've just docked on the true homeland. An ocean that woos every drop within it.
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gogrowgo123
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Basilides]
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almost all of these posts are incredible.
this is why i love the shroomery so much.
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Re: I Want to Die Alone [Re: Basilides]
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Nice, very nice. We both tend to romanticize. I remember Ram Dass once writing about a "pressure" he felt in his head that he called "psychic" and which he believed came from many trips. Some years later he had a stroke. My last entheogenic excursion gave me feeling to be concerned about re: my blood pressure. Anticipatory anxiety earlier in the day brought my pressure up. It may well be that I don't intuit the end is near and reach for a psychedelic - it might turn out that while on a psychedelic I incur a vascular incident - stroke or heart attack. The difference is in the experience of feeling in control or not. I like to imagine that I'll be a good deal older than my present age, but one never knows. I've finally gotten to like my life after a lot of lifetime when I didn't. I hope I have the opportunity to enjoy it a while longer and get to a place where I can have it taken from me without fear or regret - with equanimity. As my old high school friend Kenny calmly said the night we came down from Windowpane LSD for the first time (July 1, 1972): "If ya die, ya die."
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MarkostheGnostic said: Teenagers routinely off themselves in cars, taking any number of their friends with them. Of course, they never tell their friends its gonna be that kind of ride. Additionally, you know what I mean People often want their loved ones around, a huge maudlin drama, crying, fainting, the whole nine yards. If fear needs to be kept away by that, so be it. I just happen to believe that the nature of one's state of mind at the time of 'cessation' has a profound effect on the quality of one's death.
Okay, I wasn't being cheeky, just tripping on four hits of acid. 
I guess I took the title of this thread literally! 
As for teenagers offing themselves in cars with friends....wow, it makes me sad to imagine that. 
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People are always gonna be a distraction to Yogic inner work. When I took intense trips I did so alone. How is a healthfully embodied individual gonna help? If I could die in a Tibetan Buddhist monastery? Is that what you mean? Well, yes - moreso than the emotional drama of say, Catholic monks. I don't want the opportunity to seek solace in regressive, maternal associations, neither would I want my romantic partner, though, if I'm very old, I can't imagine an erotic distraction How much control I'll have is unknown of course. Someone has to bust out the two San Francisco sugar cubes I've been saving all my life for the event.
Wouldn't the distraction of other people while doing inner Yogic work potentially be another thing to transcend? It seems a Satsang can practice Yoga together. I was thinking that sharing one's Conscious death with others could provide them with that map of Consciousness and that too would be working on the Self, as an act of Karma Yoga.
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Someone has to bust out the two San Francisco sugar cubes I've been saving all my life for the event.
And all I was able to turn up at this infamous intersection was a lousy Tee Shirt :P
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Good exam question! Ever read that Neem Karolie-Ram Dass tale about the kid who retired to a cave and died doing acid and pranayama? Baba said "He is with Christ" in a specific reference and consoling manner. The kid went off to push the limit where he wouldn't be disturbed. Suicidal? Instinctual? I once prayed for new neighbors. I asked for Indian people with Ph.D.s, and possibly mental health professionals (the house next door kept housing real low-life. Even rats began to appear.). God provided EXACTLY what I asked for - Indians with Ph.D.s, one of whom was a mental health counselor like myself!!! What are the chances? Impossible. No 'chance' at all!!! They told me of an 'asana' performed by the woman's father of sitting in lotus, under water, holding onto reeds. He forced his consciousness to leave the body (he was delusional and falsely believed himself to habe leprosy). He was found dead, but there was no water in his lungs. He did not drown. He did what I described and his prana re-entered the Cosmic Ocean of Prana, so-to-speak. He died consciously. It was contrary to instinct to do that. Similarly...
Right, his mother asked Ram Dass to ask the Maharaji what happened to him, and the Maharaji said he was done with his work, that he was with God now. Another story in Be Here Now is of somebody who injected some chemical to force himself deeper into Pranayam and died, and Ram Dass says that leaving the body that way entailed ego, leaving him with more work to do but no body to do it in. To undergo death this way, it seems one would have to Gnow they're ready.
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I read about his stroke, but did not see the documentary. What was the confusion? For the Zen monk simply lying in bed and dying, death is "the squirrel running on the roof." Why not pipes running along the ceiling? Problem for Ram Dass is his intellectual attraction to Zen, while initiated by a Hindu Yogi. Conceptions got in his way (but I'm happy that he did not die).
I remember also that he said that for several days after the stroke he felt as if though he was without his Guru. Perhaps he bought into other people's trip... "Poor Ram Dass".
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`Wow, who ever said they wanted to die alone. Not you. Don't start that bullshit now. Not with the Lord and Lady at side. Your Lady, do you remember you told me about her, and how you lived in Florida? Well I think you'll never be alone, even if in your most despair you thought you were. In the hour of torture, where Satan holds the most realm of power, you are not alone on the spring racks. Summers scorn heat blazers on your back, and in thought your eyes rise like a Phoenix. She, the Lady, the Lord, her. Trinity. She pulled you up. She brings me up, like a lotus, not when you smoke it.
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