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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: LynxRufus]
    #5923998 - 08/02/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i do believe psilocin and psilocybin decompose at around 240 centigrade.. if one were to use the stovetop method by placing the jars in boiling water... they would only reach 100C correct?


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5924654 - 08/02/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can't even reach 100C by placing something in boiling water.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: fastfred]
    #5924938 - 08/02/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

and still even assuming it is 'decomposed' or 'broken down' due to the heat, this doesnt mean it goes away, its just changed into something else. apparently into something no longer psychoactive but not necessarily into something that's no longer a suitable precursor... i dont really know chemistry all that well so that could be way off base, but just a thought.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: creamcorn]
    #5931091 - 08/04/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It gets > 100C in a pressure cooker. How much more, I don't know, but significantly more. That's why there's pressure: to keep the water from boiling, so it can get hotter.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: butane]
    #5934104 - 08/05/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly why i said with this method we shouldnt consider pressure cooking but rather use boil water in a pot


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6248189 - 11/04/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I see a lot of threads relating to putting tryptamine analogues in their substrates but not even one about adding indole-3-butyric acid(IBA) into their growing media or any of the other "lesser" indoles. Maybe they are using the wrong indoles. IBA is found in mushrooms in small amounts. I believe it is because the shroom uses those smaller indole precursors to produce larger indoles(tryptamines). What do you think?


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: Cerebro]
    #6250618 - 11/05/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think that will do nothing. Active mushrooms are good at 4-hydroxylating indoles and tryptamines, but it's going to give different products.

You'll just end up with 4-hydroxylated or phosphorylated IBA. The carboxylic acid group is going to be reactive, so who knows what you'll end up with on that end. It would be an interesting experiment, but I would be careful. You never know what might turn out to be highly toxic.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: fastfred]
    #6251405 - 11/05/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'm still waiting for the talk to end and somebody do something. I've been watching this and other threads for years, but nobody has demonstrated that adding anything to the substrate will increase potency or that mushroom mycelium can convert one substance into another.

You can scroll down for thousands of posts and find this or similar threads repeated time and again. Will somebody please quit talking about it and just do it.
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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6252032 - 11/05/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think I may have a way to settle this debate. in one of my psychology classes my instructor mentioned that popcorn contains pretty high levels of tryptophan. I'm asking that anyone who uses popcorn spawn and has evidence that mushrooms grown on popcorn are more potent to come forward and shed some light on this.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: ToTheExtreme, LOL]
    #6252446 - 11/06/06 04:08 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Popcorn has the lowest levels of triptophan of any spawn material I know of. There's a chart around here somewhere that shows triptophan content of various grains. However, there's not one shred of evidence that triptophan in the substrate does anything at all. I've grown on a substrate of seaweed, which is extremely high and fruits were potent but no more potent than those grown on other substrates. I was on this triptophan bandwagon too a few years ago before I realized it really made no difference at all.
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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6252585 - 11/06/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i cant see how anyobody actually WANTS to increase the potency.
im allright with what i grow and 2-3grams ALWAYS blew me off my socks.

no need to increase anything, oh and as roger said, people talk about adding this
and using that but noone really does it in the end .. guess that wont change
anytime soon either.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: ohmatic]
    #6252866 - 11/06/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah Ohm I think it was you and I having this same conversation about 2 years ago with ppl, they were getting crazy back then trying to fing anything with high lvls of tryptophans like egg whites and all other sorts of crazyness. I don't think anyone ever tried it back ten either, but i've been off the boards for about 2 years now hopefully i'm back. Still get on IRC much>?


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #6253191 - 11/06/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

sure man, drop by once again :smile:
i was like "wow pink posting didnt see that cat for sometime"


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: ohmatic]
    #6268157 - 11/10/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

That shit would be crazy though, and if it did work, would the spores of the shroom that was grown from the shroom substrate be just as potent?


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: euphoricpoison]
    #6273584 - 11/11/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Just grow pans.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: Delerium02]
    #6273762 - 11/11/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Couldn't Swim just have search this web page :rolleyes:


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: Brainiac]
    #7891289 - 01/17/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

My knowledge of chemistry is pretty limited, but as far as I know 4-HO-DMT and Psilocin are the same chemical, at least in an elementary sense, so wouldn't it be possible to extract the psilocin/psilocybin from a grow, find some method to remove the hydroxyl group, and put the resulting DMT in your substrate?

At the very least you could start throwing whole turkeys in vats of solution and ending up with a large amount of DMT.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: SappyCS]
    #7893128 - 01/17/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

1. By using the method you propose, you will of course get a SMALLER total amount of psilocin. Why not just keep the initial batch instead of extracting it?

2. Removing an aromatic hydroxyl group is non-trivial.

3. Turkeys does not contain an extraordinary amount of tryptophan compared to other food.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: euphoricpoison]
    #7893817 - 01/17/08 04:30 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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That shit would be crazy though, and if it did work, would the spores of the shroom that was grown from the shroom substrate be just as potent?



^If this worked, there would really be potential for this. Would be like potentiating all future grows.


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Re: Increasing potency with 5-HTP (trytophan) [Re: Delerium02]
    #7894097 - 01/17/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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