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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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war and damage
    #5885227 - 07/21/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was just thinking..

In every war there is rape, murder, killing of children, women, old folks, mutilating corpses etc.
It's happening as we speak in some parts of the world

People end up screwed up just for seeing that kind of things even if they didn't do it. And those victims who survive it end up screwed up too.

The hate gets spread further both by doers and victims

So I was thinking, when a war hits a certain area, maybe it's for the best that less people survive because those who do survive and going to spread the deasease further.
You know, a house gets broken in, the woman gets raped, the children get slaughtered, and the father survives. Maybe he should die too just for seeing it, because one day he is going to do the same to someone else.

that puts the victim in the same basket as the doer, but aren't they both the same anyway? I mean both are consumed by this evil act, they are just two ends of the same thing, and if one gets burried, the other one has to be burried too for the whole thing to be forgotten and put back to balance.


Does that make any sense to you?


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Re: war and damage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5885283 - 07/21/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Maybe he should die too just for seeing it, because one day he is going to do the same to someone else."

noononono.
who are you to make this assumption? This is one manifestation of possibility but it by no means ecompasses the broad range of variables.
This man could be the next ghandi............ or the next Hitler.... or likely just a sad soul who had to learn some sort of unfortunate lesson first hand.... not that anyone should have to learn such things.

perhaps those that survive are meant to? and those that don't aren't?

you are right that war displaces evil elsewhere.... it does nothing to secure peace, only displace conflict somewhere else. there may be exceptions... but i think in the broad scope of things there is just simply a war energy floating around that is sometimes so concentrated that totalitarianism starts, and sometimes so dispersed that just people are real depressed...... and it can be thrown around everywhere.

sad stuff :x

people say, Saddam was so evil, he deserved to be out of power..... yes, but at least Saddams evils were unified... now the people of Iraq are experiencing the same kind of evils, but their society is in ruins and anarchy and they have nothing left to believe in. though if the war had worked as quickly as we thought, perhaps the issue would be completely different.

Ideally if to happen at all it would just involve a subtle and non-violent removal of any "evil" dictator ... some sort of "black op" coup type thing, not a full scale war.


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Edited by leery11 (07/21/06 06:24 PM)


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Re: war and damage [Re: leery11]
    #5885350 - 07/21/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You mention Iraq, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Nobody is innocent in this war, everyone has some kind of hate for someone.
First Sadam does his evil stuff, then Americans come and do their evil stuff, then Iraqi people do their evil stuff. It's a circus.

Imagine if Hiroshima was raided by angry americans instead of nuked. The buildings would be alive, but there would be much more emotional damage. This way nobody remained to cry for the dead, and the past was burried within radioactive ash.


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Re: war and damage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5885480 - 07/21/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sadly, every war leaves behind a bitter generation


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Re: war and damage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5886039 - 07/21/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
You mention Iraq, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Nobody is innocent in this war, everyone has some kind of hate for someone.
First Sadam does his evil stuff, then Americans come and do their evil stuff, then Iraqi people do their evil stuff. It's a circus.

Imagine if Hiroshima was raided by angry americans instead of nuked. The buildings would be alive, but there would be much more emotional damage. This way nobody remained to cry for the dead, and the past was burried within radioactive ash.




understandable.

impractical though. i heard there was a push for us to simply set the bomb off in the ocean, a better idea, and demonstrate our power to japan.

they didn't in fear that one could be a dud.

does this relate to your arguments of picking ripe fruit, via rapture, etc?

well in that notion i think a "war" is better, i.e. a declaration of love upon the planet, even if they don't want it.

ideally i would stay here without too much turmoil.

strictly practically speaking... i don't know. this kind of stuff can't happen now that everyone else has nu. i've also heard we let pearl harbor happen so we could justify going to war.....clear weapons.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (07/21/06 10:41 PM)


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Re: war and damage [Re: leery11]
    #5886368 - 07/22/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, its called "don't kill people, and there won't be more people to kill". :smirk:

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Re: war and damage [Re: leery11]
    #5886720 - 07/22/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It has nothing to do with rapture and such things, but now that you mention it, it's sort of a similar idea.

I'm not saying victims of war should be murdered, I'm just saying maybe itse best when war burries its own sicrets. The victim and the doer become two pices of one evil soul.


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