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HUBSonDUBS


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Help me determine why im loosing potency.
#5884009 - 07/21/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive grown several batches of shrooms but lately they havnt been very potent. Here are somethings ive come down to.
1. I am using GT, could it be that the shroom I took the print of just doesnt have the genetics and it producing not as high potency of mushrooms. So should I try another strain?
2. I use hpoo that I buy off ebay. It comes shredded and leached. I pasteurize it in a cooler with 180 deg. water that cools down over the 2 hours but normally never below 160.
3. My setups are monotubs my depth is 4-5 inchs and I get a decent amount of shrooms, so i dont think its to do with my setup.
4. The last thing I can think of is the food dehydrator but im almost positive it has nothing to do with my lose in potency.
I have gotten some very potent shrooms before, but it seems like the last 5-6 batches arent very potent like a 1/2 E wont do it and an 1/8 will get me there but not like it should. Ive grown more potent shrooms off BRF then these last few batches.
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va_shroomer
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
#5884021 - 07/21/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not exactly sure, as there could be several reasons why you're losing potency, but I reccomend isolating a a strain by cloning, or just switching strains if you're doing MS inoculation. It could be that over time a low potency strain has dominated your fruits? Don't know a whole lot about this though . . . I'll yield the floor to someone a bit more experienced
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Wronguy
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
#5884076 - 07/21/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It may be strain genetics, but I doubt it. I would cultivate another strain using the same substrate side by side with another similar substrate to rule out the nutritional viability of the eBay stuff you bought. As far as the dehydrator is concerned, just keep the heat on low and you'll be fine.
The tub will have nothing to do with the potency. Potency is going to come from genetics and is influenced by nutritional availability. There is a lot of debate on potency of shrooms grown on different substrates, but I'm not going to go into that here.
So in a nutshell, I personally feel you need rule out strain and the substrate you're using before you can draw any real conclusions.
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zeegos
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: Wronguy]
#5884308 - 07/21/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have noticed this also. I grew GT's on hpoo, ate 23 fresh grams and did hardly anything. I then ate 4 dryed grams of rye grown cambodians which only gave me a level 2. wierd
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creamcorn
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: zeegos]
#5884323 - 07/21/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i notice this as well.
but i think its more or less me, than the mushrooms. i know supposedly tolerance builds and quickly declines within a matter of days. but its still a special experience that i think can be diminished if you attempt it too often. i'm sure any even semi-experienced psychonaut will agree that mind set, and setting, also play enormous roles in the outcome of your experience.
it takes me 3-4 sometimes 5 grams dry to get to a good place. other people whom i share the same fruits of my labor with think i'm a total madman because they're scared to try more than 2.
i'd mix things up like mentioned above to troubleshoot your situation. but at the same time, maybe get a second opinion on your potency before you go assuming there's something wrong with the mushrooms.
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: zeegos]
#5884324 - 07/21/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, all the GT's I have grown have ended up with the same problem. I give them to my friends and we all have the same trip... nothing for about 4 hours, then when you are pissed it didnt work and try to go to sleep, you get this speedy feeling. Not really trippy, but just speedy enough to frustrate you some more.
This would happen on doses up to a 1/4. I never did more than that, so I dont know if more would have been good.
These were grown using tennstud poo. Other strains grown at the same time would kick your ass with 1.5-2grams.
I just stay away from GT's now. It was probably just the syringes I got, a bad strain or something, but it frustrated me so I moved on to new strains. Still have some prints, but dont think Ill use the for anything.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: dedjam]
#5886498 - 07/22/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys ever think that maybe your shrooms aren't losing potency? Maybe you trip too fucking often! You will build a tolerance to shrooms extremely quickly, and lose it quite slowly. If you think your shrooms are losing potency, then try not eating them for more than a few weeks... If you're going to trip more than once or twice a month, then you're going to have to deal with taking a lot more shrooms.
Aw shit, creamcorn beat me to it... didn't see that, oh well, I'll post it anyways because my version sounds way cooler.
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: liamtheloser]
#5886560 - 07/22/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tolerance should be almost completely gone in a week. 85% of it should be gone within 72 hours.
-FF
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liamtheloser
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: fastfred]
#5886610 - 07/22/06 03:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or maybe that's just what we're told so the man can keep us down! Like, yeah... So that way we doubt our cultivation techniques and then overadjust and then fuck everything up... yeah, that's totally what's happening man... tolerance stays for like, fuckin' ever man. Down with the man, up with pancyans!
...or something to that effect.
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: liamtheloser]
#5886626 - 07/22/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep, everything I post is a clever and calculated attempt to destroy the psychedelic revolution. Beware!
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liamtheloser
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: fastfred]
#5886636 - 07/22/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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DIE, YOU DAMN FREE THINKER!
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tonyperez420
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: liamtheloser]
#5887170 - 07/22/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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stamets says every cultivator must must return to agar culture in order to maintain purity of the strain
can this be a reason?
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dshak66
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: tonyperez420]
#7010612 - 06/05/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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tonyperez420 said: stamets says every cultivator must must return to agar culture in order to maintain purity of the strain
can this be a reason?
I think if you plan on growing with consistency going to agar must be the key. WTF? returning to it, after many successful grows with vendor syringes and my LC's, this is the route I am going. I think it has everything to do with potency, size, and many other factors I don't know. Back to square one again. Good Luck.
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joekenorer
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: dshak66]
#7010720 - 06/05/07 01:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its likely to be genetics. Heartier, stronger mushrooms tend to have a low potency, but because of their strength they breed and colonize better than the weaker, higher potency myc. I can't be for sure if this is true in your case, but if you've been using the same dynasty of spores and mycelium, then evolution is likely your culprit.
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: joekenorer]
#7010721 - 06/05/07 01:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, didn't realize this was an old thread. Need to hit this pipe again and reassess my actions.
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myndreach
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
#7011151 - 06/05/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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HUBSonDUBS said:
4. The last thing I can think of is the food dehydrator but im almost positive it has nothing to do with my lose in potency.
When I did a grow a while ago when I lived in Holland, I used a dehydrator. My friends and I wondered we had to eat 4-5 grams to get a trip like we had eaten 1-2 grams.
I stopped using the dehydrator, and used a fan on a fridge. They were quite potent then.
Heat for about 15-30 minutes is okay, but when they are exposed to heat over 105 degrees for more than an hour, they start to lose potency. I guess if you could get a dehydrator with a temp gauge that can be set to under 100 degrees, it would work.
Everything else in your post sounds fine...this is the only thing I could Imagine.
The ones I had were all from the same batch. A friend, in fact, had some of the exact same ones I did, fresh, and he dried his with a fan and they kicked his ass.
They were not Golden Teachers. They were Transeki.
Edited by myndreach (06/05/07 09:04 AM)
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brodus24
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: myndreach]
#7012855 - 06/05/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmmm...I'm curious b/c I have been growing 6 strains and the GTs look to be the weakest. Nothing else has been different in my cultivation of the different strains.
Everyone of my friends always wants to try the Golden Teachers (b/c of the name probably), and then they're usually disappointed.
The Lipa Yai's, however gangly and long, have ROCKED everyone.
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: brodus24]
#7012949 - 06/05/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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In terms of potency, with a few exceptions, I stand by the "cube's a cube" philosophy. Your personal tolerance is generally much more variable than the actual potency of the shroom.
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brodus24
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7014571 - 06/06/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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figgusfiddus said: In terms of potency, with a few exceptions, I stand by the "cube's a cube" philosophy. Your personal tolerance is generally much more variable than the actual potency of the shroom.
You know, I believed that for a long time too, but I swear, there is a marked difference in potency between some strains. When this is verified by not only myself, but 5-10 other people I know and trust, I believe it even more.
There are certainly different expressed phenotypes within cubensis strains. Why wouldn't that also translate to other genetic factors?
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: brodus24]
#7014624 - 06/06/07 03:52 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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anything can make a trip diffrent i have tripped maybe 20 times on these south american strain and sometimes it is visual sometimes it is body high always diffrent and this couldnt be genetics since the strain is an isolate.sooo soo many things go into making a trip that any number of things that are diff could change it i.e mood,temp,people,general surroundings etc etc etc.i have also had the pleasure with a gt isolate and it knocked my socks off with 4 grams (i usualy take 6-7)so it's all genetics
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boneynerd
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7014645 - 06/06/07 04:25 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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my pesa first trip, didnt seem to intense. atleast not as intense as mushies ive bought from other people.
do you believe, drying in a dark place vs a place with light will help reduce oxidation? im just not sure
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: boneynerd]
#7014665 - 06/06/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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best way to ovoid potency loss is to pick em and go directly in the dehydrator and dry asap other than that it's genetics
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7015302 - 06/06/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes said: anything can make a trip diffrent i have tripped maybe 20 times on these south american strain and sometimes it is visual sometimes it is body high always diffrent and this couldnt be genetics since the strain is an isolate.sooo soo many things go into making a trip that any number of things that are diff could change it i.e mood,temp,people,general surroundings etc etc etc.i have also had the pleasure with a gt isolate and it knocked my socks off with 4 grams (i usualy take 6-7)so it's all genetics
Yes. I will accept that potency may sometimes vary according to genetics, though I think it is an overstated factor. However, anyone who thinks the nature of the trip varies by strain is a damned fool. Psilos contain psilocybin and psilocin... either way it's getting metabolized to psilocin. One active = one biological effect, even though that effect can be perceived many ways.
Any strain review that contains a description of the "type" of trip (body high, visual high, etc) and a description of relative potency of the strain makes me heavily doubt its description of the potency. In other words, most of the talk about strain potency out there is made ridiculously useless by the fact that the same people making statements about it are also making statements about something that's scientifically null--so why should we believe them?
Despite this, that strain potency CAN vary is probable, though I do think it's to a smaller degree than most would think.
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Re: Help me determine why im loosing potency. [Re: boneynerd]
#7015308 - 06/06/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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boneynerd said: my pesa first trip, didnt seem to intense. atleast not as intense as mushies ive bought from other people.
do you believe, drying in a dark place vs a place with light will help reduce oxidation? im just not sure
Depends on how long they are left out to dry, I'd say. Ever had medicine that comes in a stained bottle? Ever notice that alcohol comes in clear bottles, but peroxide comes in opaque ones? Stuff does break down somewhat faster in the light, but in the case of shrooms I don't think it's a really significant factor. I think the tripping environment and physiological resistance of the tripper is a million times more significant.
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