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Make being your karma yoga
#5883115 - 07/20/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world is a mirror unto yourself. You can easily see this. Talk angrily with a person and they will become angry. Say nothing to a person and he will say nothing to you. Regard him warmly and he will do the same. This holds true for the infinite scale of all reality. How you regard and treat your existence moulds and gives form and meaning to that existence itself.
It is up to you to forget your personal agendas. Be a force for peace for the good of the world if you want peace, or wisdom or whatever. It means letting broken relationships mend themselves because it doesn't matter if a someone is right or wrong or not. It means that the scope of power you possess is infinite, every change within you is reflected infinitely in the world and back throughout yourself. It is an infinite series of reflections like when you look into the mirrors in the milk aisle in a store. How can you hold these fears and wells of anger within yourself when you are giving that to the entire world, the entire fabric of awareness itself?
It is very hard to hold anger and fear within yourself, very easy to let go. Holding anger requires so much energy, constant and intense thinking and convincing yourself of your rightness, constant heated remembrance and evil thought-loops. You must put so much energy into anger, it is not worth it. Saying that it doesn't matter is easy. Forgiving is much easier. You simply forgive, and it is done. Let go. Let go because it's easy and much less taxing on everyone involved. Do not spend so much energy vainly pursuing thoughts of superiority and rightness. It is much much easier to forget about all that.
You are the master of your own world. You get to decide what reality you will be shifting into. So when you be, be peaceful if it is peace that you want to see in others. It can be your divine opportunity to give up your personal agenda for the sake of peace.
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5883622 - 07/21/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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shaping of attitude. understanding postures and masks: inclination and intent are one thing
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how much of the reality do we decide, is it right down to the political, environmental, world reality. or is it more just the narrow amount of space we take up wherever it is we are and where our general path is.
if you choose love and peace, you have love and peace, but .... on a global scale how does this manfiest? a selective "apocalypse" , weeding out the bad apples...... or a Christ energy descending upon the hateful and gently reubking them til there is no more to rebuke?
do you have a say in that too? the latter is good. but the environment needs to clean it's air somehow, and things need to become more beautiful and harmonius with nature while still remaning more or less the same.
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: leery11]
#5884415 - 07/21/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We are deciding everything whether or not we realize it. This reality that you are currently experiencing has been hand tailored and custom made by you and for you in all its infinitely faceted pieces. You are experiencing this timeline due to the sum of all conscious and unconscious decisions you have ever made.
I do not know how this will manifest exactly on a global scale, I just know that it will manifest. I am considering two theories right now.
One is that all awareness in this infinitely temporary timeline is here and has its own set of infinitely divergent choices. Your future is created and selected for by you. So we literally have created this world for eachother to experience with eachother in this exact way. What you create within yourself is then transmitted to the infinite reality that your awareness perceives. Quite literally, all wars and disrespect to the environment can end and reality will become your playground. It is specifically up to YOU to decide the process for this change that is absolutely going to happen. Because you alone decide the timeline that you will be entering, no matter how peaceful, no matter how warlike.
The realities of all timelines are constantly being seeded and multiplied from the dawn of time, including infinite divergent realities based on what every person manifests within themselves and their choice of how to perceive reality. This version of me only exists in your present timeline because of what you have chosen to create for yourself to experience, and any infinite numbers of new versions of me are possible based on what you choose for the future. Your experience of every facet of every possible thing in reality changes constantly because it is hand tailored exactly and specifically for you. Am I explaining this well enough? The implications are that for every being, every speck of awareness, infinite seas of timelines are created within every blink of an eye, all diverging from eachother based on their specific needs.
The Earth is here in this form because we all have created that for ourselves. It is up to YOU to decide where it goes because you are the master of your own timeline. Everything within your timeline is here to accomodate you and your desires. Desire to eat has manifested itself as this human digestive system, and whatever you have ever eaten. Desire for discussion and vast exchange of ideas has manifested itself as the internet. This theory implies that literally anything is possible for your reality, all you must do is choose peace and reflect that ceaselessly. While you experience your peace reality, infinite other beings will be experiencing their custom tailored reality (yet the specific reflections of each being in your world will continue to mould to your expectations, and will continue to co-create its existence with you for your and its benefit). Not only are there an infinite number of facets of a specific awareness for every timeline, but within every timeline there are an infinite number of perceptions of that specific timeline by every being within that timeline.
Reality is somehow infinitely pulling itself apart and sewing itself together simultaneously, only waiting to converge when all awareness rests within God alone. The vast expanse of disordered infinity is shed into the the infinite whole of perfectly ordered unity. Even still, your intentions for peace and love affect all timelines. It is all one large INSEPARABLE web of God and the desire for spiritual evolution/true bliss. How, then, can your sincerest wishes for peace not affect the entire makings of reality?
The second theory is that maybe the sky isn't the limit, and maybe every being that exists here and now needs to pursue God and peace before we can truly have worldwide peace. This view is less empowering and infinite, although it still definitely holds true that your wishes for peace has a startling impact upon the entire stuff of awareness itself, and it will without a doubt affect the situations you experience and the people you deal with.
Have you noticed that angry people have angry friends, and peaceful people have peaceful friends? It undoubtedly affects your reality, even if that is all it affects. It is still valuable to you and the entire cosmos.
As for how this all will happen I have absolutely no idea. It all depends on what is created for and by us. Of course, as I am saying this and writing this it is rather head-spinning to conceive that trillions and infinite seas of people versions have come and gone, the ones who read this when they do being here to accomodate my necessity for them, and are perhaps the manifestation of my desires for peace at that time. To think that I could be only one ray of endless divergent realities of myself and all others is quite bizarre, but this still makes sense to me, and is a revelation I experienced as a possibility for reality during a session of cannabis + meditation
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5885040 - 07/21/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like the way you express yourself in your posts.
I think your second theory appeals to me a bit more, but I don't really understand the first one too well. It is hard to explain something so complicated, I think.
I myself have a lot of discrepancies in my existence. My perception of myself is of a violent and warlike person, yet my ideology is one of peace and non-violence. My actions are kinda in between the two.
Please share any other meditational insights you receive!
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Hmm, I will try to explain it again a little more coherently.
Basically, the reality that you currently experience is constantly changing based on what you are creating. While you do that, every other person is sharing and co-creating that reality with you. At the same time, everyone is being multiplied and infinite versions of them are being created in every moment to cooperate within the confines of the constant state of flux that is the sum of all other realities that are being created (all at once) by every other speck of awareness that exists (not only within this timeline, but also the sum of all timelines in existence affect awareness down to its most inseparable and basic 'stuff'). Peace will radiate immensely and throughout existence itself, in all realms of being, as your peaceful actions will cause an again infinite chain reaction of infinite realities to be produced that occur naturally within every moment. All realms afterward will be affected by that peace, which is magnified to astronomic levels.
edit: the mechanism causing infinite realities to be created at every moment is the fact that every person has their own individual actions and decisions to make. So it is like the version that you see is only one version made explicitly for you, and they get to decide what timelines they exist within (there is always a version for you, but the actual being that exists is portrayed infinitely many ways for the benefit of the spiritual evolution of all beings, and for itself).
So it is like you are surfing the timelines every moment, always going somewhere new. The people you see are the versions that adhere to the plane of existence you choose (which is constantly changing until it rests within God). And somewhere out there are infinite versions of you that have been created by others for the benefit of others.
So the version of every person and everything you see here now is just one out of an infinite set of possibilities. These versions have been created specifically for you. It is hard to comprehend (or explain for that matter) how very vast and expansive this all is, since within every moment infinite copies of infinite beings are diverging into their own infinite sets of timelines/realities and this has been continuing since the dawn of awareness. All infinities will converge into a single reality when 100% of awareness realizes and dissolves into the divine.
But what really matters is that this means you are in charge of the timeline for YOU specifically. The entire point is that your reality is up to you. You wield unlimited power with your expectations, desires and thoughts. Think only saintly thoughts and your world will become entirely saintly. All war and suffering will literally disappear in your timeline if you banish evil thought, selfish and idle thought from the mind.
Whew! Well, that is another way of trying to explain the first theory If it still doesn't make sense it probably won't ever. This is the best I can explain it
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5885627 - 07/21/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No that makes a lot more sense. I think it is a really interesting idea. You should write a book about this or something.
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5885727 - 07/21/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thatiAM said: The world is a mirror unto yourself. You can easily see this. Talk angrily with a person and they will become angry. Say nothing to a person and he will say nothing to you. Regard him warmly and he will do the same. This holds true for the infinite scale of all reality. How you regard and treat your existence moulds and gives form and meaning to that existence itself.
I'm afraid the sight isn't that easy to obtain. Why do you necessitate that talking angry with another person will cause them to become angry? While it is true that there is an interesting, mirror-like interaction that occurs amongst individuals, I do not see it as being so simple as "I feel this way, so others feel this way, as they are a mirror to myself".
The mirror that I refer to concerns the nature of two nexus points of consciousness becoming aware of each other. Consciousness mirroring consciousness - regardless of the form or the specific nature of the situation in which they are interacting. It is the formless that mirrors itself, not necessarily the form. 
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You are the master of your own world. You get to decide what reality you will be shifting into.
One has an incredible oppurtunity to influence their life situation and their navigation of reality, as reality, but every single aspect of reality plays its own part. Your life is clearly not strictly your dominion. You are a form produced by form. We play a tremendous role in affecting reality, perhaps because of the fact that we are reality. 
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good debunk, I wasn't really feelin that shite myself
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: capliberty]
#5885835 - 07/21/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was, essentially, affirming his main point, but being cautious with the manner in which he expressed it. Our role of influence is pivotal, but not total. 
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fireworks_god said: I'm afraid the sight isn't that easy to obtain. Why do you necessitate that talking angry with another person will cause them to become angry? While it is true that there is an interesting, mirror-like interaction that occurs amongst individuals, I do not see it as being so simple as "I feel this way, so others feel this way, as they are a mirror to myself".
The mirror that I refer to concerns the nature of two nexus points of consciousness becoming aware of each other. Consciousness mirroring consciousness - regardless of the form or the specific nature of the situation in which they are interacting. It is the formless that mirrors itself, not necessarily the form. 
One has an incredible oppurtunity to influence their life situation and their navigation of reality, as reality, but every single aspect of reality plays its own part. Your life is clearly not strictly your dominion. You are a form produced by form. We play a tremendous role in affecting reality, perhaps because of the fact that we are reality. 
 Peace.
It isn't that every person you talk angrily to will become angry with you, it is just that people will unavoidably attract what they are putting out there. Anger will always follow you when you are angry, your reality is manifested for you. People getting angry at other people who are angry is just an example.
I agree, it isn't that I feel this way so others do as well. Many times it is the opposite. I'm not trying to say that everything is your clone, it is just that there is a definite relation between what you give to the universe and what you receive from the universe. And your perception of the universe is based on how you treat it.
Hmm, yes. Isn't impossible for bare consciousness not to mirror itself? After all, it is bare. There is only the realization that it has been doing that all along, not a new and sudden mirroring.
Yes! So why not realize the power we have over it and do something about it? That's all I'm saying. We have the power to actually do something about our reality and those people around us, so do something.
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
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I think you have some good correlations but you need to reprove some of your points to make it more clear and logically sound, so that your train of thought can be better understood, in the picture your trying to relate to us
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5886557 - 07/22/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thatiAM said: We have the power to actually do something about our reality and those people around us, so do something.
I think we are all doing something, all the time. 
The simple fact that we exist and that we are present implies that our presence produces constant change in ourselves and reality.
You're right, of course, we should all bring attention to the nature of our presence and our abilities to influence, and perhaps more effectively utilize that capability, to actively produce desireable change within, and in our environment.
But making such a statement always gives me a sense of amusement, as I get the image of someone standing on the sidewalk, beckoning those who walk around him "Hey, stop doing stuff, and listen up! You have the power to do stuff! Start doing stuff!". 
See what I mean? I'm not stating that making such a statement is not necessary, or essential, simply observing some humor in making the statement. It promotes awareness of one's behavior and one's experience, which is crucial. 
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: capliberty]
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capliberty said: I think you have some good correlations but you need to reprove some of your points to make it more clear and logically sound, so that your train of thought can be better understood, in the picture your trying to relate to us
And what points need to be revised, in order for the point to become more clear and conforming to logical standards? It is great that you have concern for improvement in the way he expresses his thoughts and ideas, but perhaps you could play a more active role in working with him towards that? If so, you just might find yourself in profound discussion, true interaction between conscious minds. 
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
#5886751 - 07/22/06 05:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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too much story telling and fantasy in this to be a yoga. to be a yoga requires no artificial layer. you have to feel the pulse of the thing. talking about timelines and such is too theoretical
karma is just about attitude. in and out are one thing. expression and impression are connected in that yoke - yoga. no alternate realities or afterlifes or master or separation of self and reality.
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Theory can have application; in fact, theory guides application and ensures results. 
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the theory of yoga is direct connection yoke or union.
we can't create a yoke into a "vision" with complex layers that is the whole trick of religion that controls unwitting masses. the people crave the comfort of that vision and defer the visioneering task to a priest classs who dictate the ever more inaccessible "truth" for a fee.
all of the functional yoga's start with the body and connection, and they stay there.
the title of this thread has a valuable truth within it, which slips away the more we say about it.
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The expression of abstract theory does not imply that such a direct connection is not established, simply that, in expressing that direct connection with others, an abstract theory is necessary in order to convey it. The existance of an abstract theory does not mean that one is not directly connected, full of aware experience, and an abstract theory will not obstruct that state of direct connection if it is transparent and conscious.
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I think the ideas require some faith, they are not completely logical. That's okay in my view because I think the goal of positive change is a good one. And who knows, maybe he's right? That if we all act positively we'll all end up in the best possible of the many outcomes that our decisions create?
That's what I thought anyway from reading what he wrote.
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The way to end up in the best possible outcome of our life (what is the outcome of life? the experience?) is to directly perceive and understand reality for what it is presented as being, not accepting ideas as reflecting the truth of the matter on faith. Reality presents itself, and it does not require illogical ideas that must be accepted on faith alone to understand it.
The more one understands reality for what it is existing as in this moment, the nature of reality and how it unfolds, then one is more capable of reaping the best possible outcome from this mesh network of cause and effect.
We clearly have a great ability to influence the happenstance of reality, right? This is to be emphasized, and it is being emphasized in this post, but we do not need to accept faith-based ideas and misrepresent that role as being solely responsible for reality in order to stress this importance. Simply express it for what it is. 
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true if you cannot connect directly you can connect via faith or proxy. the proxy being an intermediate construct or theory.
when I point to yoga and union or connection I point to the making of one thing out of several. a fine aspect of karma is that it is one thing in essence, combining intent or attitude on one side of the coin into feeling the results or receptivity on the otherside of the coin. it is struck as one coin - and in that way it is union or yoga - yoked - inseparable.
here I have used several words that all point to one thing which is attitude on the head of the coin and feeling on the tail this simple thing is karma
a philosophical walk around the part that extends it into other dimensions and universes wanders away from the kernel of this valuable idea.
I don't wish to strip all the constructs of value. they have value, they are part of the pagentry of attitude part of the show we put on here, on this stage. they are content and richness, evidence of nature at work evidence of creative process.
I am just binding the thread to the title which is a very good idea in itself. all the cultural fullness and natural richness that becomes mental content are part of attitude assuredly and fodder for feeling as well (karmic causers and karmic resultants).
the principle of karma however is that attitude and feelings are two sides of one coin.
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Semantics!
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Just kidding, I can see what you're getting at now. Your first post I didn't really understand, the second one clears things up and I see your point.
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you might say the penny dropped
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Yeah those other posts don't have much to do with my main point. But my point remains somewhere in there. Being is your chance to help the world, in whatever capacity that is (small or big). And we are all living here together, so why not help? That's really all I'm trying to say
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Re: Make being your karma yoga [Re: thatiAM]
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which is "good" (karmic) attitude and feels pleasurable - one thing.
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Yes, I agree. Thank you for putting it much more succinctly than me
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