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shymanta
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MJ with Penis Envy
#5883042 - 07/20/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a long standing debate about different strains having a different trip. True or not, most who have had Penis Envy say it is different than other cubes. Terence Mckenna has always suggested MJ to smooth out the bumps and reduce anxiety. It seems to work with cubes in general, but I have been hearing from people that MJ with Penis Envy produces more anxiety for them.
Anyone have something to say regarding this combo?
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: shymanta]
#5883341 - 07/21/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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(Anyone have something to say regarding this combo?)
no, altho i am nicley baked right now and i thought you where reffering to micheal jackson having penis envy lol.
I understand now tho
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Atheist
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dude a cubes a cube man
theyr all mushrooms that have the same shit in them
but yea bud is good with everything
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: Atheist]
#5883814 - 07/21/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always said a cube is a cube...until I tried penis envy. The trip is so different, so intense, so much better and "cleaner"
I am a very anxious person, and shrooms always seem to potentiate my anxiety to the extreme. I was to the point where I wouldnt trip on shrooms without atleast a full xanax bar on hand incase of a panic attack. Penis Envy is the only strain I have tried (out of 8-10) that produces absolutely no anxity for me, no matter how much I eat. I also find that I can have a level 4-5 trip off of 2 grams. I usually dont smoke while tripping because of my anxiety, but with the penis envys I smoke the whole time.
Maybe its all psychological, but after going through several trips with many many people, they all agree. PE > *
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: dedjam]
#5884736 - 07/21/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MJ with shrooms, whether the strain is Penis Envy or Panama is all preference.
For me, when I smoke while shrooming tends to make the experience more intense. Maybe a joint to kick it off, but during the come up and peak I feel is too overwhelming. For me it has to be either the beginning, the comedown or both.
However another friend of mind loves to smoke throughout the trip and doesn't seem to be too much for him.
Like I said, it's obviously going to depend on the bud you're smoking, as well as how you are.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (07/21/06 02:43 PM)
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rockytop83
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Umm... a cube is a cube. However there may be *slight* differences from strain to strain. Psilocin, psilocybin, and a TINY bit of Baeocystin are the chemicles that make you trip found in cubensis mush. Well, although most are near 50/50 psilocin and psilocybin, some strains may be more like 60/40 one way or the other and that could have an effect on the trip.
Correct me if Im wrong.
ALso, some ganja smooths all my trips out emmensly.
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: rockytop83]
#5884987 - 07/21/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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rockytop83 said: Umm... a cube is a cube. However there may be *slight* differences from strain to strain. Psilocin, psilocybin, and a TINY bit of Baeocystin are the chemicles that make you trip found in cubensis mush. Well, although most are near 50/50 psilocin and psilocybin, some strains may be more like 60/40 one way or the other and that could have an effect on the trip.
Correct me if Im wrong.
I think it depends on if you mean by mass or by molecule. If it is by mass, more psilocin is favored since it is lighter than psilocybin and so there should be more active particles for receptors to pick up.
I think psilocybin is not in itself active, just after the phosphate group is removed and it is transformed into psilocin. So a ratio of 60 particles psilocin to 40 psilocybin shouldn't matter unless you take into account that psilocin will degrade easier than psilocybin, meaning when you actually eat it there is fewer active particles.
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: thatiAM]
#5885265 - 07/21/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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isn't the psilocybin just converted into psilocin when digested into thebody?
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Atheist
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fuck man if i fed you them blindfolded you would not be able to tell the difference
i bet they were nice and potent tho, some mushrooms come out weak for some reason
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: thatiAM]
#5886312 - 07/22/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thatiAM said:
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rockytop83 said: Umm... a cube is a cube. However there may be *slight* differences from strain to strain. Psilocin, psilocybin, and a TINY bit of Baeocystin are the chemicles that make you trip found in cubensis mush. Well, although most are near 50/50 psilocin and psilocybin, some strains may be more like 60/40 one way or the other and that could have an effect on the trip.
Correct me if Im wrong.
I think it depends on if you mean by mass or by molecule. If it is by mass, more psilocin is favored since it is lighter than psilocybin and so there should be more active particles for receptors to pick up.
I think psilocybin is not in itself active, just after the phosphate group is removed and it is transformed into psilocin. So a ratio of 60 particles psilocin to 40 psilocybin shouldn't matter unless you take into account that psilocin will degrade easier than psilocybin, meaning when you actually eat it there is fewer active particles.
On the psilometric scale of comparative potency, P. cubensis gets a rating of "moderately potent," with maxima reported by Heim and Hofmann (1958) of .50% psilocybin and .25% psilocin, while Gartz (1994) reported .63% psilocybin and .11% psilocin. Stijve and de Meijer (1993) found .15% psilocybin and .50% psilocin in a Mexin strain, and .15% psilocybin and .33% psilocin in an Amazonian Strain.
I copied that from Paul Stamets "Psiocybin Mushrooms of the World", an Identification Guide. Great Book.
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shymanta
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: Atheist]
#5886748 - 07/22/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A cube may be a cube, but Penis Envy is a cube with a circle around it (a little think outside the box humor). It just stands apart. A blind test with PE and any other strain: I could tell you which was PE. Its got no wave. When its on, it on. Intense mindfuck that just keeps coming at you. Perhaps the mutation boosted one of those obscure alkaloids? If you have not seen this strain, it is worth you time to look at it under a microscope.
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: shymanta]
#8541416 - 06/19/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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well I tried two grams of pe while pretty baked and to tell you the truth it killed the visual totally like not even a lil bit at all but the body feeling was so intense I didn't know what I was feeling and would randomly laugh but my head got it the best I felt like it was just floating I can't even explain it but it was kind of cool except I was looking forward to the visuals....o and it was my first time on pe btw
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Re: MJ with Penis Envy [Re: Fonzi03]
#8542211 - 06/19/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if the anxiety is totally related to PE but I did have a pretty bad anxiety attack after smoking some bud on a relatively small dose (2.5g dry) of PE.
I have only eaten PE four times and 3 out of the four times I got bad anxiety after smoking. The fourth time I didn't smoke and had a great time.
I have taken other unknown strains of cubes and smoked throughout the whole trip and never experienced any anxiety whatsoever. I would usually smoke a joint on the come-up, a little during the peak, and heavily during the come-down.
I don't know how to explain this other than maybe they are a little stronger than the other cubes I've had. Meaning the trip was already intense and MJ boosted it to another (and slightly uncomfortable) level.
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