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dwpineal
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#5882430 - 07/20/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by dwpineal (10/04/10 07:34 AM)
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liamtheloser
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: dwpineal]
#5883185 - 07/20/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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They would break down, but they don't need psylobin in the indescribable muck to see if someone was cultivating illegal mushrooms. A simple DNA test or a quick look under a microscope i believe would do that. Not to mention, despite the fact that psylobin would oxidize, they'd still be able to test for it... I mean, you can eat some shrooms and get a piss test and they'll still find shrooms in your pee for a while afterwards... it's not like something decomposed will be magically turned into some legit goo.
Sounds like a tough break though, sorry.
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: liamtheloser]
#5884061 - 07/21/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have to disagree liamtheloser.
A DNA test or microscopy identification would not aid law enforcement, because no species of mushroom is illegal. It is only illegal to possess mushrooms because they are considered containers for psilocybin. The mushrooms must be tested and psilocybin found before a person can be charged with possession.
Furthermore, standard piss tests cannot detect the presence of psilocybin, psilocin, LSD, mescaline, or any of the other serotonergic psychedelics. Special very expensive laboratory tests would be required to find psilocin in a persons urine.
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dwpineal
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: shroomydan]
#5884237 - 07/21/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by dwpineal (10/04/10 07:34 AM)
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: dwpineal]
#5886453 - 07/22/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Testing has come a long way in the past 5-6 years. They can test for ridiculously small quantities now if they are wiling to spend the money on it.
I would say that it would take probably a year before they would pass standard tests. OTOH if they are actually dumb enough to let them rot in plastic bags the timeframe could be much shorter. I would bet that they are referigerated and that a sample has already been sent off to the lab though. Sorry, but that's my guess.
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
#5901644 - 07/26/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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>>They can test for ridiculously small quantities now if they are wiling to spend the money on it.
Yup, a friend had a bag of already eaten LSD tabs (don't ask me why) that he had held in his mouth for over an hour each time, before drying and saving the tabs. The dea found the eaten hits in a baggie during a raid, and he was charged with Felony LSD possesion (5 yrs federal and $25,000 fine!) because a sample of the hits tested positive. (He had even put 20 eaten tabs in his mouth to try to get an effect, and couldn't even detect threshold effects.) But since any amount of LSD detected makes the entire weight of the container count as LSD, a few micrograms equals a few grams of LSD. Something illogical about that.
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Re: Possible breakdown of psilo in decomposing fresh mushrooms [Re: Carbon_Black]
#5936295 - 08/06/06 06:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im not too sure how the american system works - but I do know that technicalities get people off. So say these mushrooms have been grabbed and placed in an evidence bag. 2 weeks pass, and they are most likely not stored well, so they turn to goop. I would ask a lawer about questioning the storage of the evidence - the bag would presumably be infected with numerous bacteria that have now invalidated the sample. There are an aweful lot of factors involved in bacterial decomposition, but whether that would be any use is definately worth asking. If it were me, I'd wait as long as I could, before asking for testing to be done, then after the results get back question the storage of the mushrooms and say they were infected due to improper storage, and that any number of microorganisms have now destroyed the sample. Reasonable doubt, that damn ambigiuos saying.
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