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Anti-Zionism
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It seems that people here have developed a bad case of myopism. They see someone claiming that maybe, just maybe, Israel bombing a hospital isn't the best thing in the world and immediatly they are "Anti-Semetic", or "Supporting hezbollah". Clearly, not the case with most of us.

I am personally Anti-Zionist, in that I don't believe we should have people in our government who are supportive of Zionism and we shouldn't be using our foreign power to support Zionism. I think that Zionism has about as much to do with Western Culture and Civilization as a Ubangi bush dance. It's just not our problem. Sadly, we've been 'infiltrated' by Jews and zionists for so long that we see Israel as just another part of America. I don't understand why, but I'm sure we'll see tons of the "democratic nation in the middle east" bullshit. Yea, as if the other nations are going to start to mimic Israel and want democracy. That makes a whole shitload of sense.

I don't "support hezbollah" anymore than I support whoever the fuck is fighting in the Sudan. I just see that it's not our business. I see that it's bombs that the US has sold to Israel falling from warplanes that we've given them to destroy these civilian targets. If someone can't see the connection between the Islamic "hatred" of the US and this, then they must be mentally deficient in some way. If someone can't see the connection between the Jews in our government (and media) and the israel-friendly spin that the news always has, and that our politicans always have, well, again, i'd have to see it as a mental deficiency.


I don't dislike the Jewish people nor do I really hate their concept of wanting to exist culturally and racially. I'd also agree that the best method of preserving race and culture is having a nation that is of, by and for members of your race. The problem that I have is, first, their duplicity in foisting multiculturalism on the rest of the world for their own benefit, and secondly, "infiltrating" the western media and government so that we believe that it's somehow our duty to help protect their racially exclusive nation, while they work to make our nation more open to third world immigration and misgenation.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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I have still never seen a statistically sound media analysis (or any media analysis) showing that there is a broad pro-Israel bias in the mass media. In fact, the only releases I've read had shown a definite pro-Palestinian bias.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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Seriously dude, turn on your television. I bet you'll get some version of the story like this

"Oh my god Tom, today fifty [unguided, primative] rockets hit Israel. Six people died, all civilians [totally untrue if they were a male under 60]. Here are pictures after pictures of the "devastation". Oh yea, Israel dropped two metric shit tons of bombs on a few hospitals and bridges, but fortunately [through the use of jew magic] managed to kill only the hezbollah (terrorists, insurgents, militants). After Israeli forces entered another soverign nation, they suffered casualites at an ambush staged by armed guerillas."

When the media starts showing pictures of dead lebanese civilians, or starts daring to ask the question "Gee, uh, we just read the geneva convention, seems that you aren't allowed to target civilian areas, uh... whats up with that"? Then you can say that their isn't a bias.

Also, the jews "plan" of putting lots of liberals in media positions can backfire sometimes and you get some pro-Palestinean stuff. However, it's NEVER, EVER, really pro-Palestinean. It's all "right to exist" shit, rather than "right to not have the Israelies move into their cities and burn them to the ground in the middle of the night" shit. Do you think that we are getting a fair and balanced story out of the middle east now? Equal time alloted to talking about each side of the story? Or is it more "Israel faced TURRRRRRIsm" bullshit


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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they've hand strong influence on our politics and media for years, thats for sure

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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I agree with you, people can't get it through their thick skulls why Islam hates the west. It is our governments unwaivering support and aid to Israel that they hate, not our "freedom". LOL

I also notice our media has a pro-Israeli spin, maybe that's why so many here support them, with out having thoughts in their heads about why they do.


It's funny, I watch this show on TVO(TV Ontario) every week called diplomatic immunity. Its a political show which offers opinions and ideas on situations around the world. Every week they have the same three panelists, 2 are Jewish. I am getting opinions on the middle east from 2 Jewish people and a white Christian, not one Arab, ever. I'm not saying this means anything, but its funny, in Canada I would expect none to be Jewish. Just something I noticed and thought I would share.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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I watch CNN almost constantly, and I have not seen a pro-Israel bias. They have spokespeople from both Israel and Lebanon speaking; also time was given to U.S. citizens with relatives in Lebanon.

Saying "OMG, i watched the news and they luv izreal!!!11" doesn't show there is a bias. To determine something like this, you have to do more than watch the news. It's called media analysis, and it's much, much more in-depth than catching the news every other day and proclaming there is a bias.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I have still never seen a statistically sound media analysis (or any media analysis) showing that there is a broad pro-Israel bias in the mass media. In fact, the only releases I've read had shown a definite pro-Palestinian bias.


Here you go, being reported from a Jewish person even. How is that for a source?  :tongue:

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/ben stein on jewish media control.htm

copy and paste that whole link into a URL.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

Edited by alpharedecho (07/20/06 10:15 AM)

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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Maybe the ADL or the SPLC can fund such a "media analysis".  :wink:


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Hank, FTW]
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That is not a media analysis.

I'm talking about a statistical analysis like the type done by the Pew Research Center or The Project for Excellence in Journalism (journalism.org). Looking at a huge number of articles (or tv segments) over a large period of time beats personal experience.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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I didn't realize the Jewish control of our media until I got rid of my cable for a couple years. When I got it back, it stuck out like a sore thumb. Next time your done watching a TV show, look at the credits and the last names in the credits, primarily for directors and producers. Same for movies, so why wouldn't it be the same for news shows? I don't like the Idea of getting my news on the middle east, from people who have a massive stake in the region.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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Fascinating... its like watching history. (The starting point for Hitler)

Anti-Semite Liberals Teaming up with folks from Stormfront....


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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Its like watching the history channel, while Israel pounds Lebanon, this channel pumps out an unusually high amount of Nazi Germany programming. Coincidence I'm sure.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm - Do you mean an analysis like that one done by Harvard professors that talked about the large amount of influence that the AIPAC and other Israeli lobbies have in the US? Oh, hah, wait, that one was "Discredited" by Harvard for being (I hope I don't have to pay a royalty on this word!) "Anti-Semetic". When something comes along that doesn't fit the jew media's objective, they just don't report it.

Hm, the director of Journalism.org is a Jew, what a surprise. Tom Rosensteil. And I'd bet that the Kovach second seat is a Jew too. Gee, why would Jews not be totally unbias as to Jewish media and Israeli influence?

Maybe we should look at another source. Probably just a coincidence. Oh I know! The FAIR, Fairness and Accuracy in Media. Thats run by... oh, hm Jeff Cohen, another Jew. Well, just me being a paranoid Nazi I guess

OK OK, Arbitron. Thats a really good media research company. I mean, what are the odds that 2% of the world population would be in charge of another company specializing in media analysis? Oh, Stephen Morris and Lawrence Perlman are both Jews hm? Well, uh, gee. Thats somewhat odd. I guess it's "in their blood"..

Maybe we could ask someone from Harvard's Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy.

I mean, geez, if Zionist Jews can't be trusted to spot out ZIonist Jew propaganda in the media, who can! Lets just all focus our attention on those evil muslim turrists.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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HAHAHA I love it! duckyousucker knows his shit.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I just know my google.  I'm sure that we'll get some BS answer from others.  Redstorm does seem pretty intelligent, though.  hopefully he'll get enough of an understanding of the Jew/Zionist mindset to understand why not many Rosenstiles and Perlman's will be critiquing pro-Israeli bias in the media :smile:


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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You're being absurd. The research methods conducted by both organizations are transparent and statistically sound. The conduct their research methods regarding media and politics the exact same way I (not a Jew) have conducted mine countless times in the past four years.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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"If you can't trust a Zionist Jew to tell you the truth about zionist jewry and Israel, who can you trust!!!"


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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I didn't think you'd bring an intelligent response to the table.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Redstorm]
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House passes resolution supporting Israel by huge majority (410 to 8), citing the U.S.'s "special relationship" to the country. Also condemns all enemies of Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/.../us_mideast_26


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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Uh...dude did you check out CNN yesterday? Heres a newsflash most Jews are very liberal (just not with their land or the idea of being pushed into the ocean).

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
Anti-Semite Liberals Teaming up with folks from Stormfront....


I'm sure the folks at Stormfront would also agree with conservatives on immigration, affirmative action, and gay marriage. I guess that means conservatives are just like nazis too, right?


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Silversoul]
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It still fascinates me to see Liberals and White Supremacists standing side by side.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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There are no liberals in PAL except for maybe Alex and the Red Crayon. A large chunk of the "liberals" you rant about here are Libertarians.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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Interestingly enough, the Democratic party has historically been more pro-Israel than the Republicans.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said:
There are no liberals in PAL except for maybe Alex and the Red Crayon.


I wouldn't say that. Red Crayon is a left-libertarian, and Alex, from what I've seen, is a socialist.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Interestingly enough, the Democratic party has historically been more pro-Israel than the Republicans.


I believe it. IMO its changing.

Maybe JUST maybe Liberals, Left, Dem's, Progressives whatever.... are attempting to find meaning in the post-communist world. Communism, and Castro are dead --- now the Palestinians fill the void of communism’s death.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: Basilides]
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OK is this better?

It fascinates me to see Hippies and White Supremacists standing side by side.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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:tongue:

Actually, I'm not even sure why White Supremists have adopted very hostile attitudes towards Israel, after all they are "keeping to their own" technically, which is what racists after all want. They are neither friendly towards Arabs either (also Semites).

As for the "hippies" you speak of.. there is alot of opposition towards the State of Israel among the counter culture, but to call it Anti-Semitism? Again, to me that seems like a crimen exceptum attack. It's on par with those (mostly on the left, ironically) who accuse conservatives of being racists on every whim. I've met orthodox Jews who themselves called the government of Israel criminal. So what does that mean?

There are reasonable positions on both sides of the Israeli-Arab conflict, whether those who rationally believe Israel is defending herself or those who rationally believe Israel is practicing collective punishment. At the same time there is the presence of haters, whether those who hate Arabs or those who hate Jews. To call anyone who questions the tactics of Israel an "anti-Semite" simply lacks a foundation in logic and reason.


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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
OK is this better?

It fascinates me to see Hippies and White Supremacists standing side by side.


standing side by side? What are you talking about? Criticism of Israel and it's policies against the non-"Chosen People" is valid political and ethical criticism, not anti-semitism. And, as Silversoul pointed out, conservatives and other rightists have way more in common with their relatives in the right-wing white supremacy and Christian-identity movements. Does that make conservatives nazis? No.

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Re: Anti-Zionism [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
OK is this better?

It fascinates me to see Hippies and White Supremacists standing side by side.


is this anti-semitism: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com ? Are they "standing side by side" with neo-nazis?

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