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the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical
#5880717 - 07/20/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just wish my most smelly blessings on all of the shroomery. For years this place has kept me alive, occupied my mind and kept me sane when my soul cried for nothing more than something to do, something to experience, and boredom sang the loudest anthem. The shrooomery was there. ..... I knew, it was gravy.
I may be gone for the next five years, that is certainly a worst case scenario, but how often does best cases happen?
Anywayz, love yall.
Be blessed, remember the things you do will affect someone you know.
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Re: Well, I have court later tomorrow, for selling crack, [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5880722 - 07/20/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Well, I have court later tomorrow, for selling crack, [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5880748 - 07/20/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn.
-------------------- -------------------------------- " If the sky were to suddenly open up there would be no law. There would be no rule. There would only be you and your memories... the choices you've made, and the people you've touched. If this world were to end there would only be you and him and no-one else. " .............. "MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5880797 - 07/20/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We love you too.
May the best befall you, and may we see you back here as soon as is best.
May you be blessed, be strong
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5880866 - 07/20/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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dont take any guff from those swine
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5880868 - 07/20/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Selling crack? Yeah go fuck yourself
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5880871 - 07/20/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why? I doubt that he forced someone to smoke it.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5880876 - 07/20/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, just like someone who is pushing heroin doesn't force an adict to use it?
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880884 - 07/20/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope. Beer stores don't "Force" alcoholics to drink. Liquor stores and bars don't force alcoholics to drink. This "my drug is better than yours" stuff is complete bullshit. If oyu don't like crack, don't smoke it. If you don't want your kids to do crack, educate them. But don't act as if some guy selling crack is some social evil.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880889 - 07/20/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor said: Yeah, just like someone who is pushing heroin doesn't force an adict to use it?
Right of course he didn't have to push anything. The crack does it for him..........
All the years this place has been his salvation, yeah my ass go out and do some good and get a life.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5880891 - 07/20/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The difference between a liquor store and a drug dealer is immense. nigga pleeeease
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880908 - 07/20/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hardly.... the only difference is one pays taxes
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Infrared]
#5880926 - 07/20/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't make me do this...
A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880940 - 07/20/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats the stupidest argument ive ever heard.. of fucking course they can get to people more.. cause they can not set up a store like a liqourstore or a bar.. so theyre mobile almost exclusively
still just a means to an end..
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880946 - 07/20/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A drug dealer is never closed for buisness. If you are buying then they are selling no matter how late at night.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5880955 - 07/20/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course, you never know what time of day your meth is gonna run out. The beauty and tragedy of an unregulated industry.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880962 - 07/20/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor said: Don't make me do this...
A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does.
Curious what you mean by this. Do drug dealers ever really apply pressure to make sales? Sure some may.
I know ive never had any dealers call me to push product. Even the ones that back in the day would sell teh crack.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5880966 - 07/20/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its an open market 24/7. Free to choose your hours. Free to tax on extra fees as needed. free till you get busted. All in all nothing comes without a cost.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
#5880970 - 07/20/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea i didnt get it either.. i have neevr known a dealer who aggresivly pushes shit.. theyll let you know what they have .. but thats about all
maybe some stupid gangbangers in the city try to push stuff on you.. but they dont count
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
#5880971 - 07/20/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I knew people that would call up from time to time just to say that they were in....
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5880976 - 07/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The products sell themselves.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
#5880977 - 07/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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As long as a preson is selling it though........
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5880983 - 07/20/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5880989 - 07/20/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well sure. Im just saying that a dealer(for the most part)will not have to call around and truely 'push' his product on people.
A call to say, 'hey, got this or that'....may be a subliminal push. But not really true to the sense of the term IMO.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Infrared]
#5880991 - 07/20/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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White folk aren't used to seeing the pusher man.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
#5880997 - 07/20/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont know many pushers. Well thats a lie. You roll up in any ghetto in my area and you would get anywhere from 5 to 20 guys pushing. They run up and surround your car throwing crack and smack in your face.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5881193 - 07/20/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor writes: "A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does. "
Let me see if I understand this... If drugs were legal and regulated, we'd essentially have recreational drug stores just like we have alcohol stores. But we don't, because drugs aren't illegal and so drug dealers only have one way of conducting business; interpersonally.
You're basically blaming the drug dealer for doing something that they can only do BECAUSE it's illegal, and they have no control over its legality.
Nobody has ever sold me weed. I've called plenty of people looking for it, though.
This reminds me of when people blame gays for promiscuity. Well duh. You told them they can't marry...
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881221 - 07/20/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Find yourself a crack and herion dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5881244 - 07/20/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor said: Find yourself a crack and heroin dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me.
My own curiosity gained me a horrible crack habit(past tense).
While I can see some crack/smack dealers abusing the 'power' they have over their customers, I don't see this as fit all description of dope dealers.
As the drug of choice does a fine enough job of marketing itself. The shit really does sell itself and the dealer is just along for the ride($$$).
The example of dope boys running up to your car to peddle wares. What are you doing there to begin with? Most likely looking for what they have to offer. So while they may be 'pushing', it is certainly not on an unwilling user.
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Edited by Schwip (07/20/06 12:24 PM)
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
#5881283 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor writes: "Find yourself a crack and herion dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me. "
Oh my.
First, you speak as if I have no experience with these things.
Second, it doesn't matter if I do or don't. It's an ad hominem argument.
Please explain how you can blame a drug dealer for a situation that is caused by prohibition itself.
"The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he neglect the care of his health or his estate, which would more nearly relate to the state. Will the magistrate make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide against injury from others; but not from ourselves. God himself will not save men against their wills." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881375 - 07/20/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not blaming all drug dealers, its obvious a lot of the people here get there's differently than a rather large percentage of urban people
A dealer takes advantage of the prohibition to make cash. Rarely is he/she "doing a service"
A pusher takes advantage of the prohibition and the addiction of a drug.
Its really a fine line when hard drugs are involved, Marijuana is not a basis for any part of this.
I want to put in some kind of quote too - What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem? - William Simpson
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5881583 - 07/20/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor writes: "I'm not blaming all drug dealers, its obvious a lot of the people here get there's differently than a rather large percentage of urban people"
More BS. I've spent perhaps 75% of my adult life in a city environment. Dorchester, Southie, lousy areas of Providence. In my entire life I've never had someone do more than make it known they have something I might want to buy. The only time I've ever had a dealer contact me was for weed and that's when I told him "call me when you get some in, please."
I've taken plenty of drugs in my life stronger than shrooms and weed and I get harder sells from newspaper subscription telemarketers than I do out of the people that supplied me with those drugs.
"A dealer takes advantage of the prohibition to make cash."
Yeah. And. So. What?
"Rarely is he/she "doing a service""
What else would you call it?
"A pusher takes advantage of the prohibition and the addiction of a drug. "
An advantage that wouldn't exist if it were legal. What's your point?
Again, you say "The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money."
You mean just like any store you've ever walked in to?
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881597 - 07/20/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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STORES DON'T SELL DRUGS ARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881625 - 07/20/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor originally wrote: "The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money."
I replied: "You mean just like any store you've ever walked in to?"
TheMadConductor replied: "STORES DON'T SELL DRUGS ARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
I'm not quite sure how you missed the point so I'll try again.
You ominously intone that dealers are bad because they, among other things, will only help you get your drugs if you have money.
I am pointing out that this is not exactly uncommon in a capitalistic society. In fact your neighborhood 7/11 can be accused of the same thing (not giving you what you want if you don't have the money to pay for it).
Dear sweet Jesus, would you please mount a defensible argument?
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881681 - 07/20/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never said I wanted to argue. You came in here and started throwing quotes and arguments at me.
Thomas Jefferson didn't know shit about smoking OC pills.
Drugs are bad for the human body, Drug dealers capitalize on a person's use and addiction to said drugs, thus enabling someone to harm their body, in exchange for money, and that is wrong. 7/11 would be just as wrong as a drug dealer, IF THEY SOLD HEROIN NEXT TO THE HOT DOGS.
Please.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5881709 - 07/20/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well good luck with that...
I don't have that much of a problem with crack dealers as long as they are honest and don't try to use crack to proposition people for sex, trade it for stolen goods, or use it to provoke people to commit some other crime.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881721 - 07/20/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheMadConductor writes: "You came in here and started throwing quotes and arguments at me."
Quotes, plural? =)
What I did was refute the silliness. Don't be upset. If you present a point of view and someone thinks it's bogus, you're gonna hear about it.
But now your numerous replies are getting sqwished and you're claiming you don't want to argue? Have some backbone, man!
"Thomas Jefferson didn't know shit about smoking OC pills."
What he did know is the folly of trying to protect people from themselves. Which isn't confined to the realm of oxycontin.
"Drug dealers capitalize on a person's use and addiction to said drugs, thus enabling someone to harm their body, in exchange for money, and that is wrong."
OK, let's assume that's true.
Is the guy at the gas station capitalizing on my cigarette addiction when he sells me a pack? Cancer killed 556,902 in 2003. About 140,000 of those are estimated to be smoking-related.
How about that college freshman who sells me a case of Sammy every weekend? I think cirrhosis accounts for about 35k deaths per year.
Is the girl who sold me a chicken cutlet with cheese and bacon a bad person? Heart disease killed 685,089 in 2003 in the US alone.
So tell me, MadConductor, where do you draw the line? If these people aren't morally culpable for selling me things that harm my body, why not?
"7/11 would be just as wrong as a drug dealer, IF THEY SOLD HEROIN NEXT TO THE HOT DOGS. "
It's funny you should mention hot dogs...
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5881742 - 07/20/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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7-11s sell cigarettes...which are even more addictive then heroin.
I know plenty of people that sell hard drugs, or have sold hard drugs, and I have never once seen someone force it, or ask a person again after they said no.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
#5881795 - 07/20/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of those things you listed are morally wrong for people to do, however human beings are self destructive by nature, so they are accepted.
Its something thats never going to change, people are going to use substances as long as they are available (and they always will be), and ultimately is their say, not mine. I'm not going to argue that, people do drugs, and its their choice.
I just think that the dealer is responsible as much as the person that uses it, and harms themselves, especially since they are getting compensated monetarily (or otherwise) from the harm.
Fuck I forget what we were even talking about earlier.
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5883066 - 07/20/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheMadConductor said: Don't make me do this...
A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does.
so what about a (strikingly beautiful female)bartender?
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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Phoshaman]
#5883942 - 07/21/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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she is peddeling a poison. I had a talk with my dad about bartending. He said moraly he wouldn't do it.
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