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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5880976 - 07/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The products sell themselves.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
    #5880977 - 07/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As long as a preson is selling it though........


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5880983 - 07/20/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5880989 - 07/20/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well sure. Im just saying that a dealer(for the most part)will not have to call around and truely 'push' his product on people.

A call to say, 'hey, got this or that'....may be a subliminal push. But not really true to the sense of the term IMO.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Infrared]
    #5880991 - 07/20/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

White folk aren't used to seeing the pusher man.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
    #5880997 - 07/20/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont know many pushers. Well thats a lie. You roll up in any ghetto in my area and you would get anywhere from 5 to 20 guys pushing. They run up and surround your car throwing crack and smack in your face.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5881193 - 07/20/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TheMadConductor writes:
"A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does. "

Let me see if I understand this...

If drugs were legal and regulated, we'd essentially have recreational drug stores just like we have alcohol stores. But we don't, because drugs aren't illegal and so drug dealers only have one way of conducting business; interpersonally.

You're basically blaming the drug dealer for doing something that they can only do BECAUSE it's illegal, and they have no control over its legality.

Nobody has ever sold me weed. I've called plenty of people looking for it, though.

This reminds me of when people blame gays for promiscuity. Well duh. You told them they can't marry...

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881221 - 07/20/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Find yourself a crack and herion dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5881244 - 07/20/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TheMadConductor said:
Find yourself a crack and heroin dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me.




My own curiosity gained me a horrible crack habit(past tense).

While I can see some crack/smack dealers abusing the 'power' they have over their customers, I don't see this as fit all description of dope dealers.

As the drug of choice does a fine enough job of marketing itself. The shit really does sell itself and the dealer is just along for the ride($$$).

The example of dope boys running up to your car to peddle wares. What are you doing there to begin with? Most likely looking for what they have to offer. So while they may be 'pushing', it is certainly not on an unwilling user.


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"MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"



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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: Schwip]
    #5881283 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TheMadConductor writes:
"Find yourself a crack and herion dealer, and pick up a habit. Get back to me. "

Oh my.

First, you speak as if I have no experience with these things.

Second, it doesn't matter if I do or don't. It's an ad hominem argument.

Please explain how you can blame a drug dealer for a situation that is caused by prohibition itself.

"The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he neglect the care of his health or his estate, which would more nearly relate to the state. Will the magistrate make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide against injury from others; but not from ourselves. God himself will not save men against their wills." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881375 - 07/20/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not blaming all drug dealers, its obvious a lot of the people here get there's differently than a rather large percentage of urban people

A dealer takes advantage of the prohibition to make cash. Rarely is he/she "doing a service"

A pusher takes advantage of the prohibition and the addiction of a drug.

Its really a fine line when hard drugs are involved, Marijuana is not a basis for any part of this.

I want to put in some kind of quote too -
What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem? - William Simpson


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5881583 - 07/20/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TheMadConductor writes:
"I'm not blaming all drug dealers, its obvious a lot of the people here get there's differently than a rather large percentage of urban people"

More BS. I've spent perhaps 75% of my adult life in a city environment. Dorchester, Southie, lousy areas of Providence. In my entire life I've never had someone do more than make it known they have something I might want to buy. The only time I've ever had a dealer contact me was for weed and that's when I told him "call me when you get some in, please."

I've taken plenty of drugs in my life stronger than shrooms and weed and I get harder sells from newspaper subscription telemarketers than I do out of the people that supplied me with those drugs.

"A dealer takes advantage of the prohibition to make cash."

Yeah. And. So. What?

"Rarely is he/she "doing a service""

What else would you call it?

"A pusher takes advantage of the prohibition and the addiction of a drug. "

An advantage that wouldn't exist if it were legal. What's your point?

Again, you say "The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money."

You mean just like any store you've ever walked in to?

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881597 - 07/20/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

STORES DON'T SELL DRUGS ARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881625 - 07/20/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TheMadConductor originally wrote:
"The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money."

I replied:
"You mean just like any store you've ever walked in to?"

TheMadConductor replied:
"STORES DON'T SELL DRUGS ARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

I'm not quite sure how you missed the point so I'll try again.

You ominously intone that dealers are bad because they, among other things, will only help you get your drugs if you have money.

I am pointing out that this is not exactly uncommon in a capitalistic society. In fact your neighborhood 7/11 can be accused of the same thing (not giving you what you want if you don't have the money to pay for it).

Dear sweet Jesus, would you please mount a defensible argument?

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881681 - 07/20/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never said I wanted to argue. You came in here and started throwing quotes and arguments at me.

Thomas Jefferson didn't know shit about smoking OC pills.

Drugs are bad for the human body, Drug dealers capitalize on a person's use and addiction to said drugs, thus enabling someone to harm their body, in exchange for money, and that is wrong. 7/11 would be just as wrong as a drug dealer, IF THEY SOLD HEROIN NEXT TO THE HOT DOGS.

Please.  :syringe:


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5881709 - 07/20/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well good luck with that...

I don't have that much of a problem with crack dealers as long as they are honest and don't try to use crack to proposition people for sex, trade it for stolen goods, or use it to provoke people to commit some other crime.

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881721 - 07/20/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

TheMadConductor writes:
"You came in here and started throwing quotes and arguments at me."

Quotes, plural? =)

What I did was refute the silliness. Don't be upset. If you present a point of view and someone thinks it's bogus, you're gonna hear about it.

But now your numerous replies are getting sqwished and you're claiming you don't want to argue? Have some backbone, man!

"Thomas Jefferson didn't know shit about smoking OC pills."

What he did know is the folly of trying to protect people from themselves. Which isn't confined to the realm of oxycontin.

"Drug dealers capitalize on a person's use and addiction to said drugs, thus enabling someone to harm their body, in exchange for money, and that is wrong."

OK, let's assume that's true.

Is the guy at the gas station capitalizing on my cigarette addiction when he sells me a pack? Cancer killed 556,902 in 2003. About 140,000 of those are estimated to be smoking-related.

How about that college freshman who sells me a case of Sammy every weekend? I think cirrhosis accounts for about 35k deaths per year.

Is the girl who sold me a chicken cutlet with cheese and bacon a bad person? Heart disease killed 685,089 in 2003 in the US alone.

So tell me, MadConductor, where do you draw the line? If these people aren't morally culpable for selling me things that harm my body, why not?

"7/11 would be just as wrong as a drug dealer, IF THEY SOLD HEROIN NEXT TO THE HOT DOGS. "

It's funny you should mention hot dogs...

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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5881742 - 07/20/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

7-11s sell cigarettes...which are even more addictive then heroin.

I know plenty of people that sell hard drugs, or have sold hard drugs, and I have never once seen someone force it, or ask a person again after they said no.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: splifner180]
    #5881795 - 07/20/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All of those things you listed are morally wrong for people to do, however human beings are self destructive by nature, so they are accepted.

Its something thats never going to change, people are going to use substances as long as they are available (and they always will be), and ultimately is their say, not mine. I'm not going to argue that, people do drugs, and its their choice.

I just think that the dealer is responsible as much as the person that uses it, and harms themselves, especially since they are getting compensated monetarily (or otherwise) from the harm.

Fuck I forget what we were even talking about earlier.


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Re: the whole thing about crack may have ben alittle too atypical [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5883066 - 07/20/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TheMadConductor said:
Don't make me do this...

A drug dealer is a person who is out actively looking to move his product, being a PERSON he can get to people on a social and emotional level, something a liquor store would only dream of. The dealer can be a person friend, their direct supplier of what they need, so long as the person has money. Drug dealer's get to a person much more than a store does.




so what about a (strikingly beautiful female)bartender?


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