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Pithlit
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Do you fear death?
#5880546 - 07/20/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its something that interests me. Especially for the psychonautic community...
I for myself was never a mourning person, even when close relatives died it wasn´t really tragic to me. Of course it was a loss, but somehow not necessarily a bad one. I simply can´t understand why some people drown themself in pain when another life ends, even if you have known it well. I have lost pets, grandparents and even a friend (from a heroin overdose) but for me its nothing to be sad about.
When i was younger i somehow feared my own death, basically because i didn´t know what would be afterwards. I don´t know that now, too, i have to admit but since i have begaun exploring the other realms i have lost my fear of death completly. Especially dissociatives have done a great deal for me there. Feeling your mind picked apart one by one is just something you can never forget.
I do not fear ego-death on shrooms and are rarely starteled by such things. Death is just death for me, without any judgmental connotation. What are yaour oppinions about this subject?
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5880601 - 07/20/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have u staired at death face to face
not a freak occurance, but actual death
meaning u were fighting for ur life
things are rushing through ur mind
is this it, is it my time, am I willing to leave it all behind, do I
have any choice, whats going to happen when I lose consiousness,
only reason why I ask
until u have, u really haven't experienced the notion of death
its easy enough to say, and I've heard it alot from people, who say
the same thing, but until u have to combat death face to face, will
only then u know if you truly fear it or not, more than likely
you'll be
suprised how real it is when its ur time, but yes never be afraid
even when ur shitless
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: capliberty]
#5880753 - 07/20/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If life is a journey wouldn't that make death the end/purpose of your journey? Death is the purpose of life. It shouldnt be feared. I'm afraid how i will die but not of death itself.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5880770 - 07/20/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've faced death once for real and other times got glimpeses of what it could be like after dying. Firt time I was really scared, then it got smaller and smaller. I can't say my fear of death completely vanished but I'm not scared anymore, not in that tippical way. I mean I still want to live cause I know THIS life has some things to learn me and I need to know them in order to make that spiritau shift but I wouldn't be terrified or something it f would happen to me. I wpuld still suffer a lot if someone I care about died, but not as fear, more as being aware that I won't get to see that person anytime soon or by a just simple phonecall or a visit. We've done that (dying) so many times in our past lives that I becam aware that it will eventually happen and there's nothing to fear about not literally. It's just the way it haooens and I'm aware that even if my matherial body will dye, my spirit and soul shall still be alive.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5880944 - 07/20/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The 'mother of anxiety' is the apprehension of how and when. I have watched dying and I have assisted in the death of my mother. I have seen people drop dead. I too have buried both parents and put down beloved canine companions. I still hold a romantic version of my own death. Unless one dies by one's own hand, thus controlling the circumstances, the anxiety must be lived with and transmuted into an intense awareness of the here and now from the hypervigilant nervousness of anxiety. It is a matter of converting one of the five 'Buddha Energies' from their negative, unregenerate neurotic natures into the Enlightened nature. Knowing what one has to do (according to a model or a belief) is half the cure. I used to want to know that death was approaching, drop some saved (still viable acid), sit is lotus posture, trip, peak and discorporate consciously. Now, judging by the peaks in blood pressure that I experience during a trip, it is possible that death may simply 'happen to me' from a vascular incident, while tripping. Funny shift in intention and perception, but I really don't like surprises. I'm a "Vajra Personality" with some "Padma" attributes, and we like a nicely ordered life - not obsessive, just not chaotic - or surprising!
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5881019 - 07/20/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've stared death in the face and fought for my life in intensive care i was stabbed in the chest/lung/liver and forearm and before i went into hospital i had to change from an ambulance to a paramedic van on the way to hospital and when i was alone i didnt really think or care about it cause it was out of my hands i prayed to god and said 'you can decide if i live or die,it's up to you' then i asked the paramedic if i was mortally wounded,"am i gonna die from this?" and he was kind of shocked and said that i'd be ok and i thought,i hope you arent bullshitting me cause im a man and i'd really like to fucking know so i can say goodbyes to loved ones before they operated
then i had to wait roughly 24 hrs bleeding this watery kind of blood out my side because i had eaten just before i was stabbed the next day i went in to have a shower in intensive care and i remember staring at my open stab holes and couldnt belive what was happeneing when i walked back out from the shower room i went to my bed and the hot shower must have loosened the blood in my lung and when i coughed something popped and a stream of blood as thick as my finger just started squirting out my side like a hose thats when they took me in and operated when i woke up i nearly shit myself because there was a nun standing over me praying and i thought i was dead thats when the real agony started with the coughing every ten minutes to stop my other lung from collapsing i survived
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: quiver]
#5881154 - 07/20/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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man - that stabbing story is messed up!
Im not a morbid person, or a suicidal person in the least (in fact im pretty damn happy most of the time) but I do take a kind of comfort in death. I LIKE the thought that once i've lived my life, there is absolutely 'nothing'....no pearly gates or anything, everything will just cease. I find other people's fear of death very hard to relate to. Almost like it's a part of my brain that never quite got going....lol...or maybe I was dropped on my head as a child.....
It's the ONE thing we all undeniably have in common, it's the one thing we can rely on.
just my thoughts, cheers
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and taxes it happened 4 years ago and i still remember everything like it was yesterday i think there is a god and a place for us after this life tho, the way this world is,there better be
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: quiver]
#5881953 - 07/20/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never faced death, I hope i'm ready when i do come close or am next to it.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Phishe]
#5881957 - 07/20/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Death is a gift. Accept it as such.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5881992 - 07/20/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are biologically designed to fear death. Everyone fears death. Those who say they do not lie or they are crazy. The trick is to use your fear to enhance your life...not destroy it.
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im not afraid of death, just a slow painful one
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Huehuecoyotl said: We are biologically designed to fear death. Everyone fears death. Those who say they do not lie or they are crazy. The trick is to use your fear to enhance your life...not destroy it.
Wow, this is a pretty childish statement that has no solid prooves. And anyways depends on what you understand by gear and gthe limit between caution and fear. I am not afraid of death and I am not either lying or crazy. I think fear vanishes when one comes to acceptance and acceptance comes with understanding. So if you undersatnd why death occurs and what it brings then more likely fear in gone away. So yes, I state loud and clear that I'm not afraid of death anymore and refuse to be considered as lying or being insane.
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Once you have been one with the universe on 5 grams of shrooms you won't fear death anymore. Well at least it worked for me.
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I don't believe there is much to fear about death. Once you are dead it's not like there is anything you can do. I'm sure everyone panics as a reaction to fight for life. And why wouldn't you.. But once you have died, its not like you can even care. I am an atheist just FYI. I believe some people just cant handle the concept of being gone once you die, no thought, no feeling, no you, hence god. But I do believe that I am wasting my life away.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: kotik]
#5882092 - 07/20/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kotik said: im not afraid of death, just a slow painful one
Amen to that. If I die quietly in my sleep, fine. But please, no crucifixion.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: lakeglim]
#5882134 - 07/20/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lakeglim said: Once you have been one with the universe on 5 grams of shrooms you won't fear death anymore. Well at least it worked for me.
Hahah you read my mind
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5882152 - 07/20/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not at all. What strikes the oyster cannot destroy the pearl. My moment of the death will be serious business though as I navigate through various states of consciousness that I have never experienced before. No doubt, the actual sensation of having your body slip away before you will cause un-ease at first, but I have a feeling I will immediately recognize the experience.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: capliberty]
#5882176 - 07/20/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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capliberty said: Have u staired at death face to face
not a freak occurance, but actual death
meaning u were fighting for ur life
things are rushing through ur mind
is this it, is it my time, am I willing to leave it all behind, do I
have any choice, whats going to happen when I lose consiousness,
only reason why I ask
until u have, u really haven't experienced the notion of death
its easy enough to say, and I've heard it alot from people, who say
the same thing, but until u have to combat death face to face, will
only then u know if you truly fear it or not, more than likely
you'll be
suprised how real it is when its ur time, but yes never be afraid
even when ur shitless
Everyday we fight for our life thats how life goes from the begining...
and no i don't fear death because it will happen anyway so what is the point of being afraid of death. We only have to make something good in our time to be remembered in the memories of those who loved us.
-------------------- WE CAN'T CHANGE THE WORLD. LIKE EVERY PERSON, THE WORLD IS WHAT HE IS, THE ONLY THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS, RESPECT IT AND DEAL WITH IT.
Edited by SimpleThoughts (07/20/06 06:10 PM)
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5882318 - 07/20/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Couple of friends and I were hanging out. One goes, "man, what would you do if you died like right now?" The other friend said,"It'd be my time to go then and would think naturally of it."
I was somewhat shocked by the response but it made sense. If it is your time to go then who are you to change that unless you cheat death.
People from other countries would see how Americans wouldn't cry as much for death and think we're absolutely crazy because of that. --------------
Just recently, I have started to cry more. I guess it's the remembering experiences with a "loved" one...
It feels good to me to get it out. And I feel like it affects how I live my life from therafter.
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I rather agree with you - it is first chakra psychology. Even that psychophysical center on the physical side of it responds in a close call with death, or threat of death, by opening both the psychic center and the physical sphincter. Viola! We shit ourselves.
I believe that this psychology waxes and wanes. I had a preoccupation with morbidity as a child. I'd hang skeletons on my door, watch monster movies. By high school my Eros [sex] had overcome my preoccupation with Thanatos [death], but in college I began to take a new interest in the occult, beginning with the silly commercial Satanic Bible craze, at the same time Alice Cooper was hanging himself on stage, groups like D.O.A. were out, etc. My occult studies gave rise to a very successful astral projection and my fear of death really did leave for the next several years. Ecstatic acid trips sometimes had me asking God to "take me now." As I matured, and became more ensconced (not so much integrated) in worldliness (marriage, career) the aversion to death began to creep back in again (fewer psychedelic booster shots). I'm in midlife and I realize that my contemporaries and those younger than me are dying. I embody the aversion and fear along with a realism that informs me to 'Be prepared' (as the Boy Scout motto says). One of my hopes is to live to a ripe age. As a developmentalist, I'm aware that a relatively small percentage of Octagenarians (80+) fear death. I asked my late 103 year old uncle once (lived to 106) and he said it was "no big deal if I don't wake up tomorrow."
When I was 22 years old, I could get behind that lyric in Quicksilver Messenger Service's song 'Who Do You Love' "...I've got a graveyard head [hand?] and a tombstone mind...just 22 and I don't mind dying..." Yep, I was free, uninvolved, high all the time and ready to go! Youth. Now I'm 53 and I'm not ready. I might have to get ready, maybe in a real hurry (ya never know), but I hope not!
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5882368 - 07/20/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to tell myself I wasn't afraid of death, but Lady Salvia taught me differently.
I'm not afraid of death...I'm terrified.
But yeah, I'll die, go into the night...I'll just do it kicking and screaming
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: trendal]
#5882433 - 07/20/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once you have been one with the universe on 5 grams of shrooms you won't fear death anymore. Well at least it worked for me.
Yeah this may give u confidence in dealing with an uncertain fate, but look I've token 10grams before and experienced ego death, it was scary in its own right, shoot I went into a semi comatic state, but as gone as I was I knew I wasn't in trouble from a death standpoint,
but this isn't nearly as scary as when one had to fight off death for real, I'm talking serious implications, going to emergency room and fighting something internally thats trying to kill you and u know it, and u weren't expecting it, and ur hallucinating all kinds crazy ass shit thats attacking u, ur mind will tell u between whats a rough trip, and what maybe a ending trip, and their is a big difference, most young people don't naturally accept death as being their time, those who are totally expecting it may have a better transition, but if ur young and u face it, I'm going to say ur not going naturally accept it as ur time, and this is the scary part, unless in the back ur head, u don't have a chance, even though your still somewhat alive, such as getting mutilated by a car wreck, and being in a comma, then it maybe easier to accept ur fate, as long as theirs a fighting chance, and u want to still live, then the uncertainty of the experience will be terrifying, which is what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about everyday paranoia, and maybe being chicken shit off one of my irresponsible highs,
Edited by capliberty (07/20/06 07:43 PM)
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: trendal]
#5882435 - 07/20/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kicking and screaming is exactly what I don't want. Probably come right out of another vagina into a delivery room and forget where I've come from! Oh no-o-o-o-o-o !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5882469 - 07/20/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Attention leads to immortality. Carelessness leads to death. Those who pays attention will not die, while the careless are as good as dead already. With his mind free from the inflow of thoughts and from restlessness, by abandoning both good and evil, an alert man knows no fear." - Gautama Buddha"
I have no fear of death, and my valor has essentially been the cause of my demise. No illusions in the dark I am here not to live altruistically. I have no fear of death, to fear such a thing is cowardly; Purposefully striding though life making a difference in others vitality is what begets my immortality.
No false truths and wasted time frivolously vocalizing. We are all here to live and die, with aspiration reproduction in the process. All I hope for is to make the transition between waiting to die and starting to live the beginning of many sentient beings futures. I am a firm believer what you think is what you make happen. If you meander though life afraid of death it is certain you will make it your reality.
I have stared death in the face, staying 100 percent clam and clear is what enabled me to control how my survival unfolded, and emancipate my life. As someone once said to me, "You are either the luckiest person alive, or you are extremely talented." I don't believe it's either. IF you have control over your mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence. Why waste time pondering reality, and the inevitable? We all will die.
I will anticipate death, but once again gaze into deaths eyes and express I am at peace with all creation... I have no fear of death.
My only distress is people wooing my death, and not embracing it.
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Edited by malarki (07/20/06 08:06 PM)
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MarkostheGnostic said: Kicking and screaming is exactly what I don't want. Probably come right out of another vagina into a delivery room and forget where I've come from! Oh no-o-o-o-o-o !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The idea of rebirth is almost as terrifying to me as non-consciousness/death of consciousness. When I do walk in the valley of death, I'll be saying to myself in repetition "God is Great" until I lose all medical consciousness. I don't want to come back to this place.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Basilides]
#5882515 - 07/20/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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IF you have control over you mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence.
Let me be poignant, everyones brave right now, but when its ur time and you know it, fear is going to be one of ur expressions, I mean come on its like taking a carnival ride, but not knowing anything to expect, and knowing ur not getting off,
I mean I guess if ur base jumping and u "go in", maybe theirs not much time to be scared and this is a good reason to jump, because death maybe instantaneous, still I'd imagine it being a rough transition,
but as far as everyday life, no u shouldn't walk around being scared of death, or be afraid of its coming, but live not worrying and have positive attitude about ur ending outcome,
Edited by capliberty (07/20/06 08:24 PM)
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: capliberty]
#5882731 - 07/20/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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death is an illusion
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: capliberty]
#5882772 - 07/20/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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capliberty said:
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IF you have control over you mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence.
Let me be poignant, everyones brave right now, but when its ur time and you know it, fear is going to be one of ur expressions, I mean come on its like taking a carnival ride, but not knowing anything to expect, and knowing ur not getting off,
I mean I guess if ur base jumping and u "go in", maybe theirs not much time to be scared and this is a good reason to jump, because death maybe instantaneous, still I'd imagine it being a rough transition,
but as far as everyday life, no u shouldn't walk around being scared of death, or be afraid of its coming, but live not worrying and have positive attitude about ur ending outcome,
I am being serious. Before you come to a conclusion maybe you should ask more questions? So you tell me now? If You were on a motorcycle going over 100 mph and crashed head first into a culvert. Would you show fear?
I can say from experience I have not. When death stares you in the face.. A realist accepts it. But still remains in control. I am one to talk from experience. I should have been dead... MOTORCYCLE = WALL??? let's see who should win??? hahahaha I did... And I am still telling you I am not afraid of death.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: malarki]
#5882825 - 07/20/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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we are all talking as if we are watching death approach us and snuff us out while we spectate. what if it happens unbeknownst (sp? haha) to us? say, an anvil dropping from the sky...
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: malarki]
#5882829 - 07/20/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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malarki said: "Attention leads to immortality. Carelessness leads to death. Those who pays attention will not die, while the careless are as good as dead already. With his mind free from the inflow of thoughts and from restlessness, by abandoning both good and evil, an alert man knows no fear." - Gautama Buddha"
I have no fear of death, and my valor has essentially been the cause of my demise. No illusions in the dark I am here not to live altruistically. I have no fear of death, to fear such a thing is cowardly; Purposefully striding though life making a difference in others vitality is what begets my immortality.
No false truths and wasted time frivolously vocalizing. We are all here to live and die, with aspiration reproduction in the process. All I hope for is to make the transition between waiting to die and starting to live the beginning of many sentient beings futures. I am a firm believer what you think is what you make happen. If you meander though life afraid of death it is certain you will make it your reality.
I have stared death in the face, staying 100 percent clam and clear is what enabled me to control how my survival unfolded, and emancipate my life. As someone once said to me, "You are either the luckiest person alive, or you are extremely talented." I don't believe it's either. IF you have control over your mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence. Why waste time pondering reality, and the inevitable? We all will die.
I will anticipate death, but once again gaze into deaths eyes and express I am at peace with all creation... I have no fear of death.
My only distress is people wooing my death, and not embracing it.
I feel that... I just want to give you a hug.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5882855 - 07/20/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Much apreciated...
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5883216 - 07/20/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cracka_X said:
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malarki said: "Attention leads to immortality. Carelessness leads to death. Those who pays attention will not die, while the careless are as good as dead already. With his mind free from the inflow of thoughts and from restlessness, by abandoning both good and evil, an alert man knows no fear." - Gautama Buddha"
I have no fear of death, and my valor has essentially been the cause of my demise. No illusions in the dark I am here not to live altruistically. I have no fear of death, to fear such a thing is cowardly; Purposefully striding though life making a difference in others vitality is what begets my immortality.
No false truths and wasted time frivolously vocalizing. We are all here to live and die, with aspiration reproduction in the process. All I hope for is to make the transition between waiting to die and starting to live the beginning of many sentient beings futures. I am a firm believer what you think is what you make happen. If you meander though life afraid of death it is certain you will make it your reality.
I have stared death in the face, staying 100 percent clam and clear is what enabled me to control how my survival unfolded, and emancipate my life. As someone once said to me, "You are either the luckiest person alive, or you are extremely talented." I don't believe it's either. IF you have control over your mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence. Why waste time pondering reality, and the inevitable? We all will die.
I will anticipate death, but once again gaze into deaths eyes and express I am at peace with all creation... I have no fear of death.
My only distress is people wooing my death, and not embracing it.
I feel that... I just want to give you a hug.
Very well put malark. do you meditate?
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5883251 - 07/20/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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nope, I dont see any reason to be, its as natural, as birth. I cant believe sometimes I made it this far. And this isn,t BS talk, I once tried to kill myself, of course it failed, cause I,m here now. Then a couple years ago I found out, I had problems, and I had to face that demon, and I believe, I won . So every day from then on has been gravy.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: rod]
#5883354 - 07/21/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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rod said: nope, I dont see any reason to be, its as natural, as birth. I cant believe sometimes I made it this far. And this isn,t BS talk, I once tried to kill myself, of course it failed, cause I,m here now. Then a couple years ago I found out, I had problems, and I had to face that demon, and I believe, I won . So every day from then on has been gravy.
Crazy how simple it is.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5883450 - 07/21/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"your only scared to die when you ain't livin' right"--Talib Kweli peace ezy
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I feel like i don't fear death as much, after my first acid trip.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Phishe]
#5883476 - 07/21/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do fear death. If I were going to die right now, I would be unsettled. I still have so much to experience.
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death is nothing. its getting there thats the hard part. "life is an unpleasant interruption to tranquility"
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Cracka_X
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michael_lifshitz said: I do fear death. If I were going to die right now, I would be unsettled. I still have so much to experience.
But you probably couldn't recognize that notion being dead though.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5883600 - 07/21/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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actual dying will be a scary event for me aleast, why because it raises uncertainity, also I might not want to leave it all behind,
but being paranoid about death, and always fearing it is not how I look at it either,
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: capliberty]
#5883646 - 07/21/06 04:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is no final solution i mean I can be afraid of death or not afraid in different contexts (sets and settings or attitudes), and if I fix it have I actually not just shifted context (temporarily)? and if I did shift is it important enought to fight to stay shifted?
is it something I should even need to fix?
I mean it is inevitable, I don't need to deny that, any scheme of denial is possible, I do muse about that, but not that much.
gladly there is no final solution (or fixed shifting of context of mind) nor single approach or attitude worth holding, as everything is symphonically in flux; and I am trying to make sense out of the patterns.
(BTW, I am not stoned, that is just how I think)
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gladly there is no final solution (or fixed shifting of context of mind) nor single approach or attitude worth holding, as everything is symphonically in flux; and I am trying to make sense out of the patterns.
I feel like that statement is contradictory to itself. You say there's no final solution. But then you recognize there are patterns in life.
I'm on the verge of believing we don't control over our destiny as easily as many believe. We make decisions that I feel are affected indirectly by what we see, hear, and feel throughout our lives. Maybe you had a dream and subconsciously you have some far out thoughts that wouldn't make sense to your conscious mind. Then lets say there's a scenario where you have to make a choice and you went off of something that went on in your dream.
whether that choice scored the game winning goal, found the love of your life, saved your life, made you money, or whatever; I can't help but think of how everything just falls in place so well that it couldn't have been pre-destined.
I don't want to say we don't have control over our fate but there's times in my life where I've approached some ironic instances that seemed too good to be true.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5883722 - 07/21/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is a paradox in it, which appears contradictory - highlighting opposing movements or postures that lean against eachother for support.
the patterns exist and shift, exhaust themselves and reappear differently, it is lovely in that way, and really not final.
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whether that choice scored the game winning goal, found the love of your life, saved your life, made you money, or whatever; I can't help but think of how everything just falls in place so well that it couldn't have been pre-destined
all these 'quanta' are unfinished business, states that fall together, nestling in compatible positions but not into final place.
more of a dancing tableau than a static pattern, paradoxical but you can and have to keep getting into synch with it.
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redgreenvines said: there is a paradox in it, which appears contradictory - highlighting opposing movements or postures that lean against eachother for support.
the patterns exist and shift, exhaust themselves and reappear differently, it is lovely in that way, and really not final.
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whether that choice scored the game winning goal, found the love of your life, saved your life, made you money, or whatever; I can't help but think of how everything just falls in place so well that it couldn't have been pre-destined
all these 'quanta' are unfinished business, states that fall together, nestling in compatible positions but not into final place.
more of a dancing tableau than a static pattern, paradoxical but you can and have to keep getting into synch with it.
it's wild...
I'm up to Organic Chemistry and with comparing to what I see in my everyday life, we all seek equilibrium. We are all electrons with greater affinities for other certain electrons. If the bond is not strong enough, it will break until it finds a molecule, which also has an unpaired electron. We all want to be comfortable with as less strain as possible. The chem metaphor may be irrelevant but I can't help but think about it.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Cracka_X]
#5883802 - 07/21/06 07:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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your point is plenty relavent IMO
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I suppose these fundamental patterns of existence manifest themselves all the way up to us.
I do not sit here and contemplate death, ever. I do not mind that it is coming, but if I were to have to stare it in the face, I would be scared. I seek to change this with some kind of practice of meditation. I want to gain the ability to be completely mindfull, or at least a lot more mindfull, whenever I want.
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malarki
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Syle]
#5884278 - 07/21/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Syle said:
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Cracka_X said:
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malarki said: "Attention leads to immortality. Carelessness leads to death. Those who pays attention will not die, while the careless are as good as dead already. With his mind free from the inflow of thoughts and from restlessness, by abandoning both good and evil, an alert man knows no fear." - Gautama Buddha"
I have no fear of death, and my valor has essentially been the cause of my demise. No illusions in the dark I am here not to live altruistically. I have no fear of death, to fear such a thing is cowardly; Purposefully striding though life making a difference in others vitality is what begets my immortality.
No false truths and wasted time frivolously vocalizing. We are all here to live and die, with aspiration reproduction in the process. All I hope for is to make the transition between waiting to die and starting to live the beginning of many sentient beings futures. I am a firm believer what you think is what you make happen. If you meander though life afraid of death it is certain you will make it your reality.
I have stared death in the face, staying 100 percent clam and clear is what enabled me to control how my survival unfolded, and emancipate my life. As someone once said to me, "You are either the luckiest person alive, or you are extremely talented." I don't believe it's either. IF you have control over your mind, you have control over your body; therefore, you have control over your existence. Why waste time pondering reality, and the inevitable? We all will die.
I will anticipate death, but once again gaze into deaths eyes and express I am at peace with all creation... I have no fear of death.
My only distress is people wooing my death, and not embracing it.
I feel that... I just want to give you a hug.
Very well put malark. do you meditate?
Yes, and often. I practice Reiki and Astral Projection. It is the ONLY way to live for me:) I have been for years. I am not religious but I do follow along with many Buddhist ways of life and thoughts and I have been happier since I incorporated them into my mediation.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: malarki]
#5884434 - 07/21/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would be upset at people close to me dying, but I don't fear my death. I hate to say it but most of the time I look forward to it.
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5884476 - 07/21/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How can you be afraid of something you cannot experience?
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Basilides
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Well, while no one here has experienced death per say, everyone knows they will experience it eventually.
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"Wow, this is a pretty childish statement that has no solid prooves."
Thank you for the compliment...I try to keep myself young mentally, if not physically, BUT as far as solid "prooves"..... If you mean "proof" I have have some. It is this: We all seek to avoid death. Is this due to NOT fearing it? No this is due to our biological imperative to avoid it. This is experienced as fear when we see a life threatening situation approach. Death is the only thing in life that there is to fear. To apply the emotion of fear to any decision in life that does not concern the protection of our lives is where fear becomes irrational. Most people's problem is NOT the natural fear of death....but the fear of life...the fear of living one's life to the fullest and being who we really are.
"Death is the only wise adviser that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet."
"One of us here has to change, and fast. One of us here has to learn again that death is the hunter, and that it is always to one's left. One of us here has to ask death's advice, and drop the cursed pettiness that belongs to men that live their lives as if death will never tap them."
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Basilides]
#5885503 - 07/21/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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On the other hand, we 'expire' every time we breath out, and according to a Buddhist metapsychology, every 'inspiration' and 'expiration' we take is the cycle of birth-death occurring. At one of these 'expirations,' an 'inspiration' will not follow, and in that moment, nothing alien to us will occur, just death. Prior to the final expiration, the elements will begin to leave. We'll become heavy as the Earth element leaves, and thirsty as the Water element leaves, and cold as the Fire element leaves. Finally, the Air element will depart as well leaving us in the quintessential element, Aether or Spirit - Consciousness. It is then that the Clear Light of Unmitigated Reality dawns. Ain Soph Aur - The Limitless Light. Will we embrace the Infinity of its expansiveness as the Freedom we have always sought, or will we cringe in fear seeking ANY dark womb to regress into? By GOD, this is the Final Free Fall with no parachute needed because there is no Ground to hit. Like Carlos Casteneda leaping from the cliff and ending the book by saying "Then I was alone," we won't 'be alone' if we're being 'All One.' The Liberation, the Nirvana is the Realization that we are, and have always been the Clear Light of the Void.
As my mother used to say: "Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!" If she only KNEW.
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Basilides
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Amazing post
I've never seen a better descriptive of the dying process as I currently imagine the experience. "Becoming heavy" like a shadow, as the co-sustaining physical elements depart from the body and into the environment once again. When I was younger my father taught me that we are much like a glove, and within us we embody the truest form that a glove only represents. Of course, I think he's wrong - we ARE the hand benearth the glove, the spark of divinity made earthen. The body is merely wrapped around our essence, like a clothing. Gandhi spoke some about the importance of unwavering allegiance to Truth - and how the dissolution of the flesh shouldn't change one's reverence of Truth. What I like is his linguistic use... the "dissolution of the flesh". It implies that something REAL is being veiled beneath all the organs, veins, bones and nerve endings that make up the physical human being. The wheat is harvested and brought into the Barn and the tares are discarded.
So, I guess we're greeted with a two way at death: Two extremes, the absolute regression and rejection of death which becomes archetypal of womb-dom once again, or absolute Expression, the complete opposite of the womb-state, a plummet into unmitigated Reality. I never cease to imagine what the Glory is like though - Pure Simplicity of Being.. becoming water almost..and ironically Love flows through life and is directed only by what is earthen; to what admits, molds and allows it to express. And it always becomes Oceanic again.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Basilides]
#5885868 - 07/21/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We will all experience dieing.
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Pithlit
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If you die in your sleep, i don´t think there will be much "experiencing" since you are basically unconcious during that time.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Basilides]
#5901074 - 07/26/06 04:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes and no. i think i fear feeling my body giving out but i dont fear death itself, i am actually very interested in what it will be like and what will follow.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Deviate]
#5901093 - 07/26/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I fear death only as a loss of life. Although I may not wish to die, I am fully aware that I shall die, and I believe it to be nothing more than a state of nonexistance and physical decay.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Wasteland]
#5901219 - 07/26/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have no desire to willingly get off this ride called life, with out a fight. If I have any means of warding off death, I will try.
I like the life I have now, and will fight death tooth and nail, as long as I feel there is more for me to do here.
If I'm on an airplane that's falling from the sky, I will face my death with no fear, knowing that I have done everything God wanted me to do, and will be eager for the next challenge.
It isn't really a fear of death, that I have, but a great love of my life.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: niteowl]
#5905442 - 07/27/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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heres a quote by Talib Kweli that pretty much sums up whether or not you should fear death.......
"Your only scared to die when you ain't livin' right"
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Pithlit]
#5906834 - 07/27/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I only fear how I'll handle it.
I'm sure having your consciousness unravel into nonexistence is a very unique experience. My perception of time could slow down until those moments stretch on for what feels like eons.
So far in my life, I've been anxious and negative by default. Anxious negativity is not what I want during those moments.
My dreams are also almost always bad. So I don't want to go in my sleep. And I don't want to be given time to think about it. So maybe some sort of unexpected death in a nice environment would do me well. I gotta take up rock climbing.
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Re: Do you fear death? [Re: Gijith]
#5908076 - 07/28/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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im not scared of dying, i just dont want to. heh
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