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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Vvellum]
#5880782 - 07/20/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MAIA said: huh ! Sure, let's bomb them and kill them until they learn ...
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Should the Jewish people just sit back, and let "their" men, women, and children get attacked on buses? I think not.
Israel should target the terrorists then, not the civilians of Lebanon who have done nothing. Collective punishment of an entire population will only create a tolerance for more attacks against Israel.
Bombing civilian infrastructure, hospitals, and neighborhoods will not create peace with Israel.
It would be great if Israel, could tell the difference, but they are so intertwined, that theres no way to tell.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: rod]
#5880794 - 07/20/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Israel could march through Lebanon and target Hezbola, but they would rather just bomb the country to hell, and let god sort it out. They are cowards, and believe 1000000000 Arab lives < 1 Israeli life.
Israel's arrogance and disregard for the worlds wishes is starting to alienate them, and they are not in a good spot to be isolated.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: rod]
#5880820 - 07/20/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room ignored by those sobbing about Israel's actions -- the fact that Hezbollah sets up operations in the middle of civilians.
Same deal with Hamas -- look at the pictures pumped out by the AP. Every shot of Hamas operatives I've seen in the last few weeks shows them surrounded by kids. They operate out of schools, mosques, hospitals, and even ambulances. They (and Hezbollah) deliberately violate the concept of Sanctuary. But who receives condemnation for the ancillary casualties?
Need I ask?
It's been a while since I posted a link to Bill Whittle, but it's time some folks here reviewed this essay of his --
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5880837 - 07/20/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Out of interest how many innocent civillians do the Israelis have to kill before they become scum in your eyes? Or are they exempt from such labels regardless of their actions?
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Who started this war?
If Lebanon was so concerned about the safety of its citizens, why did they let Hezbolah fester within their country and government for this long?
There have even been UN resolutions calling for the disarmament of Hezbolah...... Israel has a right to exterminate these worthless scum
'He started it...'The plaintive cry of the child in the playground. Surely not a sound and rational basis for international relations. Sadly it is an accurate reflection of much of what we see today.
Im going to make a rather bold and sweeping statement here: Anyone who cannot see that it is the extremists on BOTH sides of this conflict who are at fault and are causing pain and suffering for the innocents on BOTH sides of this conflict is a complete and utter moran!
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: GazzBut]
#5880878 - 07/20/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Out of interest how many innocent civillians do the Israelis have to kill before they become scum in your eyes? Or are they exempt from such labels regardless of their actions?
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Who started this war?
If Lebanon was so concerned about the safety of its citizens, why did they let Hezbolah fester within their country and government for this long?
There have even been UN resolutions calling for the disarmament of Hezbolah...... Israel has a right to exterminate these worthless scum
'He started it...'The plaintive cry of the child in the playground. Surely not a sound and rational basis for international relations. Sadly it is an accurate reflection of much of what we see today.
Im going to make a rather bold and sweeping statement here: Anyone who cannot see that it is the extremists on BOTH sides of this conflict who are at fault and are causing pain and suffering for the innocents on BOTH sides of this conflict is a complete and utter moran!
Your correlation between the feelings of a child on a playground and the actions of Israel are false.
Violating a nation that is sovereign, by kidnapping its military personnel, is by no means equal to hurting a child's feelings. The effect of the latter does not result in bloodshed and war.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5880917 - 07/20/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And Israel has not violated the sovereignty of Lebanon??? I am not sure on this, but I remember reading those soldiers were IN Lebanon when they were kidnapped. I could be wrong, so if anyone can verify that they were actually in Israel, I would appreciate it.
You heard about Israel flying warplanes over Syria I'm sure?
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5880932 - 07/20/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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those kidnapped soldiers are dead probably,i wonder what would have happened if hezbolah/lebanon just admitted it and handed in the heznuts responsible for it? they had that choice before the bombing started didnt they?
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: quiver]
#5880945 - 07/20/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lebanon had NO choice. They did not take the prisoners, I do realize hezbola is a part of Lebanon but lets be real. It is more apart of Syria and Iran IMO. Lebanon can do nothing to stop this, they don't have the prisoners, and Israel obviously won't listen to them.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5880969 - 07/20/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i don;t know about that,the lebonese arent that hopeless,they have/had an army they have jails and a criminal system so they can lock up their own crims if they really wanted too
lebonese people here who escaped are starting to say "the hezbolah were kind of heroes fighting israel for them now" but they were a family who lost friends(australian citizens) in the bombings and are angry
i don't think the lebanese are telling the whole truth just like any other country doesnt
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Phred]
#5881455 - 07/20/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room ignored by those sobbing about Israel's actions -- the fact that Hezbollah sets up operations in the middle of civilians.
Same deal with Hamas -- look at the pictures pumped out by the AP. Every shot of Hamas operatives I've seen in the last few weeks shows them surrounded by kids. They operate out of schools, mosques, hospitals, and even ambulances. They (and Hezbollah) deliberately violate the concept of Sanctuary. But who receives condemnation for the ancillary casualties?
Need I ask?
It's been a while since I posted a link to Bill Whittle, but it's time some folks here reviewed this essay of his --
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
Phred
It may not be always you and I agree, but this post of yous is so damned crucial, and right on the money.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5881471 - 07/20/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room ignored by those sobbing about Israel's actions -- the fact that Hezbollah sets up operations in the middle of civilians.
Same deal with Hamas -- look at the pictures pumped out by the AP. Every shot of Hamas operatives I've seen in the last few weeks shows them surrounded by kids. They operate out of schools, mosques, hospitals, and even ambulances. They (and Hezbollah) deliberately violate the concept of Sanctuary. But who receives condemnation for the ancillary casualties?
Need I ask?
It's been a while since I posted a link to Bill Whittle, but it's time some folks here reviewed this essay of his --
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
Phred
It may not be always you and I agree, but this post of yous is so damned crucial, and right on the money.
Yeah, hezbola should just concentrate themselves in a small area so Israel can take them all out at once. If hezbola had even 1/4 of the military power Israel had, they wouldn't have to use such tactics. I am not saying its right, but look at it from their point of view.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5881486 - 07/20/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room ignored by those sobbing about Israel's actions -- the fact that Hezbollah sets up operations in the middle of civilians.
Same deal with Hamas -- look at the pictures pumped out by the AP. Every shot of Hamas operatives I've seen in the last few weeks shows them surrounded by kids. They operate out of schools, mosques, hospitals, and even ambulances. They (and Hezbollah) deliberately violate the concept of Sanctuary. But who receives condemnation for the ancillary casualties?
Need I ask?
It's been a while since I posted a link to Bill Whittle, but it's time some folks here reviewed this essay of his --
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
Phred
It may not be always you and I agree, but this post of yous is so damned crucial, and right on the money.
Yeah, hezbola should just concentrate themselves in a small area so Israel can take them all out at once. If hezbola had even 1/4 of the military power Israel had, they wouldn't have to use such tactics. I am not saying its right, but look at it from their point of view.
this doesn't make any sense.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#5881571 - 07/20/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room ignored by those sobbing about Israel's actions -- the fact that Hezbollah sets up operations in the middle of civilians.
Same deal with Hamas -- look at the pictures pumped out by the AP. Every shot of Hamas operatives I've seen in the last few weeks shows them surrounded by kids. They operate out of schools, mosques, hospitals, and even ambulances. They (and Hezbollah) deliberately violate the concept of Sanctuary. But who receives condemnation for the ancillary casualties?
Need I ask?
It's been a while since I posted a link to Bill Whittle, but it's time some folks here reviewed this essay of his --
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
Phred
It may not be always you and I agree, but this post of yous is so damned crucial, and right on the money.
[/sarcasm] Yeah, hezbola should just concentrate themselves in a small area so Israel can take them all out at once. [/sarcasm] If hezbola had even 1/4 of the military power Israel had, they wouldn't have to use such tactics(embedding in civilian populations). I am not saying its right, but look at it from their point of view.
this doesn't make any sense.
Sorry, I was typing with out thinking, check now.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5881595 - 07/20/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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our correlation between the feelings of a child on a playground and the actions of Israel are false.
I was actually commenting on your justification.
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Violating a nation that is sovereign, by kidnapping its military personnel, is by no means equal to hurting a child's feelings. The effect of the latter does not result in bloodshed and war.
You speak of cause and effect but there is no cause and effect here. Are you suggesting that the cause,the kidnap of Israelis soldiers, must lead to only one effect,Israel's disprortiante slaughter of innocent lebanese? That is utter nonsense.
What if the Israeli's taken hostage were civillians? how would this change your view of Israel's actions?
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: GazzBut]
#5881602 - 07/20/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Israeli's have taken plenty of civilian prisoners as "bargaining chips". I have also learned that these 2 Israeli soldiers were taken hostage while kidnapped on Lebanese soil. I am looking for a source on this to link to, but its hard to find in the fair and balanced news sources out there. You will note, they never said those 2 prisoners were taken from Israeli soil.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: MAIA]
#5881618 - 07/20/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Lebanese people (Northern Lebanon) HATE WITH AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING PASSION Hezbollah. Hezbollah is basically a group of Syrian, Iranian, and Palistinian terrorist that inhabit a section of land in southern Lebanon. Also don't you think that if Hezbollah hadn't had such a CLEAR HISTORY of being little bitches and hiding weapons like mines, rockets, grenades, ammo within the civilian population they might have a little more credit in the worlds eyes. This is a fact and you can try and dispute it all day but you won't be able to, sorry. The simple truth is they will only be happy if the Jews are pushed into the ocean. My wife is Lebanese and her parents fled Lebanon when the Syria decided they wanted to take up a permanent residence in Lebanon.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5882590 - 07/20/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Lebanon had NO choice. They did not take the prisoners, I do realize hezbola is a part of Lebanon but lets be real. It is more apart of Syria and Iran IMO. Lebanon can do nothing to stop this, they don't have the prisoners, and Israel obviously won't listen to them.
You are incorrect on your first part. Hezbollah is a part of Lebanon and they are either a nation or they are not. Since they are, they are responsible for the actions of a significant part of their country. That a part of their country is extra state actors is irrelevant. They have an obligation to assist the Israelis in the apprehension of these criminals. They either help arrest them or they are complicit. You cannot expect not to be held responsible for the vipers nest you harbor.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: zappaisgod]
#5882770 - 07/20/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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the government of lebanon might be culpable, but not civilians. that said, israel is engaging in collective punishment of all, regardless of involvment.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Vvellum]
#5882801 - 07/20/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And there we have the solution to the arms race. No need to spend money on precision guided bombs and increasingly accurate artillery -- just spray unguided rockets willy nilly from launch locations near civilians with the knowledge that your opponent can't fire back. Adopt the "human shield" strategy and you're golden.
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Re: From the Lebanese people to the so called "civilized" west : "THANK YOU" [Re: Phred]
#5882984 - 07/20/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gazzbut stated:
You speak of cause and effect but there is no cause and effect here. Are you suggesting that the cause,the kidnap of Israelis soldiers, must lead to only one effect,Israel's disprortiante slaughter of innocent lebanese? That is utter nonsense.
What if the Israeli's taken hostage were civillians? how would this change your view of Israel's actions?
^^^^^^^^^^^^ If Resolution 1559 was followed through by Lebanon and the rest of the Arabic nations, would Hezbollah be in power now? Innocent people die in war. It sucks, buts thats why it is war.
And to answer your question, weather its civilians or government personnel.....they have a right to take down anyone who chooses that course of action.
Utopian ideals dont stop bullets or rockets, I guess I am in your "moron" category
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Edited by SirTripAlot (07/20/06 10:13 PM)
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