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as a community should we accept opiate users?
    #5880405 - 07/20/06 07:23 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

every once in a while i see a post like this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5878769/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

this is by no means the only one, also i've noticed we have a current drug alert for fentanyl sold as heroin.

just curious if this is something that exsists kind of on the outskirts of our board because most of us don't really feel strongly one way or another about it, or as a community do we accept ALL drug users?

the only type of drug user i've seen openly abused is the poeple who can't spell and post trip reports for taking benzos/alchohol/vicodans together and getting real fuxored.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880406 - 07/20/06 07:26 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

of all my time here ,basically everything one could take into a body has been used,,abused,and used some more...

opiates are probably one of the last things that would be outed from this place


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880432 - 07/20/06 07:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I see no problem with it...this is why Other Drugs Discussion exists. Why should it matter if they get high on opiates instead of mushrooms?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880457 - 07/20/06 08:13 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Besides being a great source of mushroom info, is this site also not dedicated to harm reduction?

Why would we oust any user for their choice of drug?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880477 - 07/20/06 08:30 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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as a community should we accept opiate users?




:eek:

Emm.. Err..

:eek:

Ehmmm..

It seems pretty obvious to me that our Opiate using members should continue to find an online home, or refuge, at the Shroomery, and to me it seems outrageous if it were decided to "let them go". Knowing the admins, that fortuately will probably not happen too.

Opiate users offer us psychedelics users a peek down the rabbithole, just like we offer a peek down the rabbithole to them. As I see it as an ODD mod, the Shroomery experience has a positive influence on reducing and preventing abuse of hard drugs for most members facing such issues.

The naive flirting with opiates by mostly our young members is a frightening trend, but it reflects what goes on throughout society, and in ODD it comes accompanied by expert advice by veteran members. On the whole, I feel, we do far more good than bad, which is convenient for a drug community website with a harm reduction agenda.

Freevibe is a fanclub of kids who make saying NO their lifestyle. If that helps them through their teenage years drugfree, hey, thats fine by me. But in contrast, I believe the Shroomery has prevented more factual abuse and bad choices than Freevibe ever did. Here you get the real dope on drugs, uncut by senseless propaganda by people who wouldn't know a drug if it bit them in the ass.

In my view we should welcome our hard drug brethren just like we do our non-drug members. We can't close our eyes to the world, and deprive them of us, or deprive us of them.
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880478 - 07/20/06 08:30 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Personally I had an addiction to OC's ... Its sucks.. Opium makes heroin you know?? But This resorts back to the question... Why do we accept opiate users and not methamphetamine? They are both highly addictive. Opiates are physically addictive and mentally addictive. Methamphetamine is only mental... And MDMA is a form of Amphetamine yet it is accepted.... SO let the debate begin!!!!

Personally as long as you aren't bangin it... GO for it. Whatever floats ur boat!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880480 - 07/20/06 08:31 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i believe there is a large differnce bettween the users of differnt drugs. mushroom users are differnt from ketamine users are differnt from meth users are differnt from heroin users are differnt from pot smokers (poly drug use: same thing, weed/shrooms is differnt from dmt/acid is differnt from heroin/alchohol.)

i wouldn't mind poeple on mushrooms in my house, but i would very much mind poeple shooting heroin in my house.
also, i wouldn't mind poeple snorting E at a gathering, but i would mind poeple smoking crack.

just curious to see if most poeple support an all-inclusive drug community here or a closed one.

personally i support a more closed one, but i am a biased bigot.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880482 - 07/20/06 08:32 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think they should be outted...that goes against what the shroomery is about...some of us think that opiates are better off untouched, but that dosen't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss them...frankly thats the same kinda logic that has led to the problems we have with drug laws today

not only that but I believe ppl have the right to try opiates if they want...but I just think they should understand how serious they are before making the choice wheather to use them or not

basically I support what shulgin said in teh extasy report peter jennings did...he said he believes that everything that is known about a drug good and bad should be available to a person deciding wheather they want to use that drug or not


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880490 - 07/20/06 08:39 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i left out the point that there are lots of OTHER places for poeple to get info on opiates/other heavy drugs.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880495 - 07/20/06 08:41 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
i believe there is a large differnce bettween the users of differnt drugs. mushroom users are differnt from ketamine users are differnt from meth users are differnt from heroin users are differnt from pot smokers (poly drug use: same thing, weed/shrooms is differnt from dmt/acid is differnt from heroin/alchohol.)




First (and not to pick on you but to make a point.) Can you cout the spelling errors on this part of the post alone?

I have never banged anything, but I have gone through phases of each of these. The only one I truly developed a problem with was Alcohol and Opiates mixed. But at the time, That was my choice. So what do I fit into now then? Not everyone fits into a neat little box for anyone's stereo types. I can say I don't fit into anyones box of what a perfect drug user is. And if you use drugs you should not judge others that use drugs of a different choice. Just because you believe it's right doesn't make it right. This is America we have freedom of speech just not freedom of choice in all matters.

Who is anyone to judge what others do? Who is perfect? Who is normal? What is normal? Who is to judge whats accepted?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5880498 - 07/20/06 08:43 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

*count* as i make one myself... I guess that's a second point.. even if it was a type-o :smile:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880500 - 07/20/06 08:44 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Many people who enjoy psilocybin also enjoy other chemicals. What's so hard to understand about this? Should a person be limited to only one specific substance?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5880502 - 07/20/06 08:48 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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This is America




Nope, this is the Shroomery.
Whatever the admins decree, goes. Other than cybercrime the admins can decide on anything they want. This is a private international organisation. We've got Dutchmen in a heatwave, Indian members growing cubies on elephant dung and Jewish members who are right now harboring refugees from the war. This is NOT america.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Asante]
    #5880512 - 07/20/06 08:56 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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This is America




Nope, this is the Shroomery.
Whatever the admins decree, goes. Other than cybercrime the admins can decide on anything they want. This is a private international organisation. We've got Dutchmen in a heatwave, Indian members growing cubies on elephant dung and Jewish members who are right now harboring refugees from the war. This is NOT america.




I stand corrected. Sometime I myself forget to think outside MY little box. > But I think that proves my last two points :smile:
(even you make spelling errors... *organization *America .. )


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880517 - 07/20/06 08:58 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

would you have a community if you didn't?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880522 - 07/20/06 09:01 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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I don't think they should be outted...that goes against what the shroomery is about...some of us think that opiates are better off untouched, but that dosen't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss them...frankly thats the same kinda logic that has led to the problems we have with drug laws today

not only that but I believe ppl have the right to try opiates if they want...but I just think they should understand how serious they are before making the choice wheather to use them or not

basically I support what shulgin said in teh extasy report peter jennings did...he said he believes that everything that is known about a drug good and bad should be available to a person deciding wheather they want to use that drug or not




I think that it is an important and wise decision to be knowledgeable about drugs before doing any of them. I have made the mistake of not researching (younger smoking pot- this was a "normal" behavior in my family) but I have learned and now research, to the best of my ability, things that I put in my body. That is one of the best parts about these forums, we can converse about these things to help inform the uninformed!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880541 - 07/20/06 09:12 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

just let things be
why you gotta go and stir shit up
you know it only stinks when you stir shit


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880543 - 07/20/06 09:14 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

So we can't be friends anymore :rolleyes:
I use opiates recreationally. I have for many years now. I'v done almost every opiate under the sun, and even used some intraveniously. I have never been an addict, i have never robbed anyone, i have never shared a needle, and i have never fucked a friend over.
Today after my girlfriend gets off of work, we are going to enjoy some poppy tea.
I wish you would get over your bias against opiate users. I met you at the gathering, and you seemed pretty cool. I would hate to think that you would look at me differant next time, because i occasionally embibe in opiate use.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5880560 - 07/20/06 09:24 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i think i may not have been specific enough. i meant daily or semi-daily users of opiates/barbituates/alchohol/methamphetamine/cocaine/crack/ect.

edit: eh i'm going to be even less strict, and say anyone who the above drugs are thier drug of choice.

to refer to my origional post, i think posts on how to make shootable poppy extract are questionable.
also, posts about ODing or going through withdrawl outside the health and wellness are questionable.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880565 - 07/20/06 09:26 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i was requested to post this.


Re: r u serious?
From: nakors_junk_bag
why don't you( with my permission), post these messages in a public forum?

make sure you specify the fact I have given u permission, or else the wrath will fall from the heavens on you.

Quote truekimbo2:
oh!, yeah defintely. i don't really mean all opiate users though, and i also don't mean just opiates, i was picking on them in particular due to personal bias.

more exactly, i do not believe that the shroomery is the proper place for daily or almost daily abusers of opiates/cocaine/crack/alchohol/amphetamines/methamphetamines.

i like my metaphor of a party. i go to parties where poeple do E, acid, shrooms, K, ect. i avoid parties or poeple that are doing the above substances.

Quote nakors_junk_bag :
about the fact that you may sriously be considering the validity of opiate users on the org.

Quote truekimbo2:
about what?

Quote nakors_junk_bag:
well are you?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880577 - 07/20/06 09:32 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

A lot of psychedelic users fall into opiate/alcohol/benzo/etc addiction after many trips to "heal" their ego...this is a fact. To shut it off and deny them is to live outside of reality. We'd be bullshitting everyone if we acted like all our members do are eat mushrooms, LSD, and smoke weed.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880588 - 07/20/06 09:38 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

truekimbo2 said:
i was requested to post this.


Re: r u serious?
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why don't you( with my permission), post these messages in a public forum?

make sure you specify the fact I have given u permission, or else the wrath will fall from the heavens on you.

Quote truekimbo2:
oh!, yeah defintely. i don't really mean all opiate users though, and i also don't mean just opiates, i was picking on them in particular due to personal bias.

more exactly, i do not believe that the shroomery is the proper place for daily or almost daily abusers of opiates/cocaine/crack/alchohol/amphetamines/methamphetamines.

i like my metaphor of a party. i go to parties where poeple do E, acid, shrooms, K, ect. i avoid parties or poeple that are doing the above substances.

Quote nakors_junk_bag :
about the fact that you may sriously be considering the validity of opiate users on the org.

Quote truekimbo2:
about what?

Quote nakors_junk_bag:
well are you?




you miss represented me, the most heinous of things you can do on a forum.

let me set the rcord straight.

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880590 - 07/20/06 09:39 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Don't worry, none of it makes sense anyway.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Organic]
    #5880598 - 07/20/06 09:47 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

sorry, got side tracked, politics, be right back.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880605 - 07/20/06 09:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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i believe there is a large differnce bettween the users of differnt drugs. mushroom users are differnt from ketamine users are differnt from meth users are differnt from heroin users are differnt from pot smokers




I've used and/or still used all of the drugs and more, I don't fit into your stereo types.

Intolerance is the backbone of prohibition/the war on drugs, why do you feel the need to propagate such attitudes?

There are no bad drugs, only bad users. ie: You cant blame crack or heroin because some users cant control their usage.
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880608 - 07/20/06 09:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

or they can use psychedelics to heal the damage from the opiates/alcohol/benzos as well

this is exactly what I ended up doing(tho I am not over the addiction I have pulled out of the extremely painful depression I was in)...I am now reintegrating myself into society...and I owe this to lsd...but I didn't even plan for it heal me the way it did...I knew it could from past experiences but I thought I was too far gone...I was just desperate and had the acid...so I figured anything was better then feeling withdrawl sober...and it ended up being the night that changed the way I look at things(not completely but I definitely see things in a more positive light)


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880609 - 07/20/06 09:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

how did i miss represent you? i copy pasted exactly all of our PMs up to that point?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880613 - 07/20/06 09:52 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

why didn't u just post that yourself? and ya I have to agree with organic I have no idea what your point is...could u clarify?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Hanky]
    #5880620 - 07/20/06 09:58 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

same here Hanky.

although i no longer use opiates, i don't have anything against people who do.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Asante]
    #5880622 - 07/20/06 09:58 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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as a community should we accept opiate users?




:eek:

Emm.. Err..

:eek:

Ehmmm..

It seems pretty obvious to me that our Opiate using members should continue to find an online home, or refuge, at the Shroomery, and to me it seems outrageous if it were decided to "let them go". Knowing the admins, that fortuately will probably not happen too.

Opiate users offer us psychedelics users a peek down the rabbithole, just like we offer a peek down the rabbithole to them. As I see it as an ODD mod, the Shroomery experience has a positive influence on reducing and preventing abuse of hard drugs for most members facing such issues.

The naive flirting with opiates by mostly our young members is a frightening trend, but it reflects what goes on throughout society, and in ODD it comes accompanied by expert advice by veteran members. On the whole, I feel, we do far more good than bad, which is convenient for a drug community website with a harm reduction agenda.

Freevibe is a fanclub of kids who make saying NO their lifestyle. If that helps them through their teenage years drugfree, hey, thats fine by me. But in contrast, I believe the Shroomery has prevented more factual abuse and bad choices than Freevibe ever did. Here you get the real dope on drugs, uncut by senseless propaganda by people who wouldn't know a drug if it bit them in the ass.

In my view we should welcome our hard drug brethren just like we do our non-drug members. We can't close our eyes to the world, and deprive them of us, or deprive us of them.
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880627 - 07/20/06 10:00 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

my origional point was i was just curious to see how other poeple felt.

personally i feel we shouldn't have that stuff here, like i already said "but i am a biased bigot"

if you want my reasoning i'll post it on request.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880631 - 07/20/06 10:02 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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my origional point was i was just curious to see how other poeple felt.

personally i feel we shouldn't have that stuff here, like i already said "but i am a biased bigot"

if you want my reasoning i'll post it on request.




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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880632 - 07/20/06 10:03 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880634 - 07/20/06 10:04 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Have we learned nothing from the mushrooms? What we need to do is love everybody regardless of what drugs they prefer. This is a community primarily devoted to the safe and informed use of psiliybin mushrooms, but anyone who wants to talk about other drugs in the Pub or ODD or even OTD should be free and welcome to do so.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #5880654 - 07/20/06 10:16 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

due to the chronology of posting, without much fault to you, my posts, or rather pms got jumbbled.

What I was asking you is, are you sreiously seeking an answer regarding your inquiry into whether opiate users should be allowed to post at the shroomery?

I was simply asking u, "r u serious"?

this is the point of origin, the hulckle to everyone's fin.

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880663 - 07/20/06 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

This thread needs a poll!
Should opiate users be allowed to post here and discuss their drug of choice?
You may choose only one
Yes.
No.
STAL.


Votes accepted from (07/20/06 10:21 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Hanky]
    #5880688 - 07/20/06 10:36 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

down with opiate usersssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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where is the I dont give fuck I would rather be dead than really acknowldge this thing as a real issue on the shroomery smiley?

maybe a smiley hanging from a rope with his purple eyes bulgihng forth in an epic portest against bigots?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880704 - 07/20/06 10:48 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

ah, nakor....

shut the fuck up! :evil:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #5880709 - 07/20/06 10:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

(sorry for the spelling mistakes, i've completely forgotten correct spelling. also, math.)

kind of snotty i know, but i'll start with what the mushrooms have taught me: that i have a limited amount of energy and an open mind, there are lots of poeple that just being in thier prescence harms me. its taught me how to avoid being around poeple that will directly or mentally harm me and how to seek and relate to poeple that compliment who i am and what i need out of life. mushrooms have given me visions of a "Better" life/world and given me the mental technology and understanding to help create such a world. (or so i feel).
On none of my trips have i learned the importance of loving everyone, although i have learned how to minimize the harm i might cause myself or others by learning to detach from poeple that i naturally conflict with.



okay so to switch gears.

although i origionally came to shroomery purely for information, i stayed because i found likeminded and otherwise complimentary poeple.
one major theme that seems to be common to psychedelic users is the desire to experiance more/learn more/see more/do more/feel more/be healthier/be smarter/be happier/be safer/make the world a better place. even the poeple who take psychedelics just to party and who may not be intelligent enough to see all the mental aspects, if they're serious about thier prefernce for psychedelics and not using them as just sporadic things because its drugs and they're available, even those poeple are still longing for and contributing towards something better, even if its just a better party.
if we were to sterotype poeple by the drugs they use (which seems to be pretty valid) all these things are found in psychedelic users that are not found in users of other drugs.

i should make a little note here about poly drug use, since most of use many differnt drugs. i have no problem with the other drugs being used, i think drugs are wonderful. my problem is with poeple who's preference is in the other classes of drugs i mentioned, or poeple who's lifestyles are built around those other classes of drugs.

users of other drugs tend to not have all those qualities i listed in the same amount that psychedelic users do.


so anyhow, my reasoning for not wanting to see posts/encourage shroomery members to discuss those other drugs is twofold (or really threefold).

a) i believe that the shroomery is more than an information resource. i believe we're an actual community. i think being a community being fully open to all types of drug use harms us in the sense that it dilutes the strength of those memebers that are primarily psychedelic in nature. a decreased ratio of truely psychedelic poeple (a term i'm going to use to describe poeple who have the characteristics i listed in the first paragraph) to non-truely psychedelic poeple has the same effect that the rest of the culture we're seeking to escape does: it distracts us, weakens our ability to focus on that which makes ourselves and the world a better place. lowers the probability that benificial interactions will take place and increases the chance of negative interactions taking place.

b) for poeple that are just getting into drugs, are just getting into psychedelics i believe we need to set an example. when poeple come here i would be sad if they didn't get a glimpse of truely psychedelic poeple. or if that glimpse was next to visions of less than truely psychedelic poeple. i believe part of the responsibility of the truely psychedelic people here at the shroomery is to make sure that the people who come here after us don't get mixed messages.
i feel like alot of people wind up as wasted potential because they don't have an environment that supports who they could be. i feel we should do our best to make sure that we support the truely psychedelic.

c) i find habitual users of the other drugs personally distasteful.

i'm real sorry if you disagree with me, but like i said. its just my opinion. i didn't even start this thread with this post, just a question.

edit: whats more is i don't believe its the shroomery's duty to act as an information source on non-psychedelics. there are plenty of niche resources on the web for whatever drugs you're interested in.

2nd edit: i'm having to use alot of generalizations. i think ALOT of behavior and ideas fall into the psychedelic catagory. i realise i'm coming off a little hitlerish, but thats only because its very difficult to create a general description of what constitutes a person or a post that is psychedelic vs a person or a post that isn't.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880803 - 07/20/06 11:42 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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edit: eh i'm going to be even less strict, and say anyone who the above drugs are thier drug of choice.




fi i had a daily supply methadone would be my daily drug of choice.  hate me for it?  disown me?

fine, just never let me in your house.  i might steal your lamp  :smirk:

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880817 - 07/20/06 11:47 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Drugs are drugs. Get off the acid.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #5880827 - 07/20/06 11:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I think responsible opiate use should be accepted here.

I DON'T think post like:

"I just stole my moms oxycotin pillz, should I crush it and snort it? will it fuck me up?"

Should be accepted, like it was last night. You people know who you are, FOR SHAME.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880864 - 07/20/06 12:10 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

The way i see it,someone with a heavy habit, could stumble in here,find psychedelics, and maybe make a life changing decision to become an acid junkie.But that cant happen if their not allowed in. :syringe: :mushroom2:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880903 - 07/20/06 12:24 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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a) im ignorant
b) i like to generalize
c) im an exclusionary
d) my chair sits higher than everyone elses cause i say so
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5880914 - 07/20/06 12:28 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Yes. 12 86%
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Hanky]
    #5880915 - 07/20/06 12:29 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

hmmm. i wonder who voted no


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5880918 - 07/20/06 12:30 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Don't worry about it, margin of error is 7%


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5880927 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

lmfao like 3/4 of this community are opiate users...

I don't like them though, bad news for the most part. ;(


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: theuser]
    #5880931 - 07/20/06 12:35 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah, I stay away from them. I'm sure people have fun with em, but its not my bag.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881050 - 07/20/06 01:14 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Who the fuck are we to judge what people are putting into their bodies?

Drugs are drugs.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5881073 - 07/20/06 01:26 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i take opiates... but i dont smoke ciggarettes or drink alcohol.  i dont like cig smokers or drunks.. i think we should ban them all   

funny thing is, while my habbit may be more demonized.. its about 20times healthier than smoking cigs and drinking

just kinda funny the way people are in their biases :smirk:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5881097 - 07/20/06 01:35 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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what about me? just because i like gay sex do you think i should be excluded from the shroomery too?




no infrared, even though i'm intolerant towards junkies and don't hold them up to the same level as poeple who do shrooms everyonce in a while doesn't mean i'm also intolerant towards gays.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881108 - 07/20/06 01:39 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

omg.. you do shrooms... you better go to rehab. drugs are bad .. i cant stand people who use drugs


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881116 - 07/20/06 01:41 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

EVER.

"LIEK OMG SHROMZ R SEW AWESOME0rzzz BUT OTHER DRUGS R NAWT LOL :flowstone:"


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5881123 - 07/20/06 01:43 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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just kinda funny the way people are in their biases :smirk:




That's because drug elitists are about halfway retarded. Maybe a little more.


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    #5881126 - 07/20/06 01:44 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Maybe if you don't like the opiate users here, YOU should leave.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5881131 - 07/20/06 01:44 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

i'm sorry that shrooms don't do enough for you guys that you think they're in the same league as heroin in terms of effects....

just curious, do you also think that DMT and oxy's are equal? salvia and alchohol?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: MrJellineck]
    #5881132 - 07/20/06 01:45 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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    #5881134 - 07/20/06 01:45 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Also, I see you're a homophobe. You do know that there have been many scientific studies directly correlating homosexuality with mushroom use, right?


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    #5881137 - 07/20/06 01:46 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Are you so thick as to not realize a drug is a fucking drug no matter what context you're putting it in?

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    #5881142 - 07/20/06 01:46 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Get the fuck out of the Shroomery, you mushroom abuser.  Your type DISGUSTS me.  :puke:


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    #5881143 - 07/20/06 01:47 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Also, I see you're a homophobe. You do know that there have been many scientific studies directly correlating homosexuality with mushroom use, right?




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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5881147 - 07/20/06 01:48 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

if anything this whole thread is a testament to that fact.

This thread is just pissing me off, its fucking 10:30 in the morning, its too early for so much hate. Chill.


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    #5881148 - 07/20/06 01:48 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5881152 - 07/20/06 01:49 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

For what it's worth:

from: http://www.radiantrecovery.com/newsletter2/sci.html (which may no longer be free to the public)

"A dose of 8 mg/kg vitamin C protected mice from a lethal dose of morphine. This dose would be about 600 mg for a 200-pound person."

"Vitamin C decreases the pain killing effect of morphine."

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5881191 - 07/20/06 02:02 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

i hate to see topics about iresponsible use of drugs (no matter what drugs) that don't get called for or properly replyed to :shrug:
and i don't think there are enough responsible users that like to post warnings to kids... there are some but not nearly enough! of course each user is supposed to be an adult and reasonable but it's not always the case!

further more, this place attracts NEW drug users much more then old ones... we sometimes make it too easy or incuredge people to experiment with drugs they'd otherwise have nothing to do with...

every time i mention MDMA people incuredge me to try it!
befor i came here it was a "nono" for me... now i'm pretty sure that when i get the chance i most certenly will try it! that's not neccerely a good/bad thing though!

yeah we preach safe and responsible drug use, but not always... there's a limit to the amount of effort users can contribute on EVERY post :shrug:
at least there are enough warnings out there if people REALLY want to know...

as for using those drugs in gatherings and such... i ampethise.
i would'nt want to be exposed to crack/coke/meth/heroin I wouldn't feel safe or open around those kind of drugs (but that's just me i guess)

however i don't think ANY drug should be banned from discussion... what we DO need to do is make sure we warn every user who wants to experiment with addictive and dangerus drugs to the best of our abilety!
if you can't, simply incuredge others to do it or simple ignore :shrug:

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Simisu]
    #5881203 - 07/20/06 02:04 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

P.S
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Simisu]
    #5881213 - 07/20/06 02:06 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :smirk:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Organic]
    #5881322 - 07/20/06 02:54 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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A lot of psychedelic users fall into opiate/alcohol/benzo/etc addiction after many trips to "heal" their ego...this is a fact. To shut it off and deny them is to live outside of reality. We'd be bullshitting everyone if we acted like all our members do are eat mushrooms, LSD, and smoke weed.




Yep you would! I have not ever tripped. I enjoy cultivating. That's why I am here :thumbup:  :thumbup:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881326 - 07/20/06 02:55 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Of course we should have free discussion on opiates. Or ANY other drug. I get angry enough as it is, that everytime someone asks a question about cocaine or heroin in ODD, they get 20 "OMG! DO NOT DO HEROIN OR YOU WILL DIE" responses. Why should people have to put up with this, just to get some information?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881477 - 07/20/06 03:44 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

It is ignorant behavior to act in a way that judges other purely on their choice of drugs. But there is no reason you should not feel safe around anyone doing any drug. If people are violent then the drugs will exaggerate that violent behavior. If you are around people like that on drugs you shouldn't be around them off either. Yes many drugs can cause side effects that can be scary to some. Just because you pick bad company doesn't mean its the drugs fault. I have done almost every drug except psychedelics and heroin and I am here to tell you

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although i origionally came to shroomery purely for information, i stayed because i found likeminded and otherwise complimentary poeple.
one major theme that seems to be common to psychedelic users is the desire to experiance more/learn more/see more/do more/feel more/be healthier/be smarter/be happier/be safer/make the world a better place. 

*interjection* You are not more capable of learning than I am or than a child with down syndrome. Do you realize that Meth is what is prescribed to ADD children to help them focus. I have had more insights/ inspiration/ and enlightenment on Meth than any other drug. If this was so bad in moderation why is our government (IN USA) feeding opiates, amphetamines, cannabis, and sedatives (i.e. Valium) to people with any type of disorder? If they were not able to be contained by people with the control to use them our Cities would be MORE chaotic.

even the people who take psychedelics just to party and who may not be intelligent enough to see all the mental aspects,.... even if its just a better party.

*I have a friend that regularly uses opiates, k, and shrooms with out any problem functioning or making ANYONE feel unsafe. SO is he less intelligent than you because he chooses to enjoy other things?

if we were to sterotype poeple by the drugs they use (which seems to be pretty valid) all these things are found in psychedelic users that are not found in users of other drugs.

i should make a little note here about poly drug use, since most of use many differnt drugs.  i have no problem with the other drugs being used, i think drugs are wonderful.  my problem is with poeple who's preference is in the other classes of drugs i mentioned, or poeple who's lifestyles are built around those other classes of drugs.

users of other drugs tend to not have all those qualities i listed in the same amount that psychedelic users do.

*these are the qualities listed desire to experience more/learn more/see more/do more/feel more/be healthier/be smarter/be happier/be safer/make the world a better place. 

How so you know what MY DESIRES ARE? You cant possibly. I have learned  alot in my day and I learn more everyday and strive to KEEP LEARNING. CONSTANTLY. I feel I am smarter for doing what I have done and I am THE HAPPIEST I HAVE EVER BEEN. I do make this world a better place and It is safer because I am the one that watches everyone's back, even when mine is stabbed! The difference is clear... The majority of this community does not NEED drugs to allow them to realize these things. I 
do not DO DRUGS TO MAKE ME SMARTER> I don't need to. Nor do I do them for the reasons you listed. I have all of those quality's with out using psychedelics.

c) i find habitual users of the other drugs personally distasteful.
*I find you distasteful. But I have to give credit where credit is due.  At least you are not in denial, That is the first step to changing to a happier less resentful life :smile:

edit: whats more is i don't believe its the shroomery's duty to act as an information source on non-psychedelics.  there are plenty of niche resources on the web for whatever drugs you're intrested in.
*DUTY? Who makes/ reads posts (other than moderators) because they feel obligated? We do it to help. I find it much wiser/ safer for people to grow and process (even opiates) their own drugs. They are then educated about it and know EXACTLY what they are putting in their bodies... This community is here to help each other... That's what we do! You say you want to be around people that want to learn and "make this world a safer place" Well that is what is great about this community. They make this world safer by offering information to kids/ adult that are going to try things anyways. You are discouraging this world to be safer. Would you rather have us all here *unwilling to learn more?* Since that's one of our traits. You see this is what learning is all about. We are a community... THAT SUPPORTS AND INFORMS OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. You seem to be the naive one on here AND ARE NOT FUNCTIONING AS PART OF A COMMUNITY BUT A REBEL TRYING TO CHANGE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING THEM FOR WHO THEY REALLY ARE!





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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5881501 - 07/20/06 03:52 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881531 - 07/20/06 04:05 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

how can people still not realize that we are all equals? quit walking around with your nose in the air. quit claiming that your stereotypes are a valid form of judgement on people.

i like to shoot heroin once in a while but you have no fucking clue who I am. I don't rob people on the street. I don't suck dick for my habit. I don't try to stab my friends in the back etc.

as irresponsible as shooting heroin may be, i spent months even years studying the chemical and read books about it and how to safely inject before deciding that i wanted to try it. it is a dangerous chemical, extremely dangerous even, some may call me stupid for even toying with it, but what you have to realize is that you don't have any control over what I do...

so anyway go ahead and continue to shake your head and wish i didn't exist for all i care. you'll need to get your head out of the sand some time, and simply calling for the exclusion of people who don't think like you is fascist and retarded.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5881550 - 07/20/06 04:12 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

i agree everything is not univeral, however i generally my statements are correct

(to clarify, i was saying i don't have a problem with polydrug abusers, you seemed to have interpreted that statement wrong)

also, my generalizations come from real life. i've lived with a methhead/dealer, i've been friends with heroin addicts, i've even hung around crackheads a little bit.
i've also hung out with k heads, shroom eaters and acid heads.
all in all, i prefer the latter groups.

edit: also, i'm not saying the drugs are bad, i'm saying the poeple who prefer or base thier life around those drugs are not up to psychedelic standards. i'm not saying the side effects are bad, or that those drugs cause violence.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881574 - 07/20/06 04:25 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

wow... that is the most retarded thing ive read

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however i generally my statements are correct





ummmmmm.. what?

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i'm saying the poeple who prefer or base thier life around those drugs are not up to psychedelic standards.




ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... what??


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881576 - 07/20/06 04:26 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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i'm saying the poeple who prefer or base thier life around those drugs are not up to psychedelic standards.





Thats rather elaborate for a kamikaze yell.

People, I'm not a local mod but let's NOT turn this thread into an ad hominem flamefest, OK? A few posts back it already came way too close to a lock.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881582 - 07/20/06 04:30 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Yes you do make generalizations but I do use meth. I am by no means a drug abuser. I function in daily life, eat food every day, and I usually sleep at night (even before drugs in general I have had insomnia) Yes there are some people that are in general "abusers" and they are what give "harder" drugs a bad name. But these people will abuse any drug to "get fucked up" as their escape from reality. I don't to drugs to escape reality. I don't do a hole bunch to get super high and not be able to function. I do some here and there and it opens my mind to new ideas and allows me to look at things "outside my box" I have had problems with alcohol and opiates. And later replaced it with K and E. Then Coke. And everything between the sun and moon. But each is different and you learn from each. I have watched a close friend destroy her life in and out of rehab for heroin and coke. I have watched my best friend destroy his life because of Meth. I have destroyed mine in the past because of Opiates. And I talked someone through a panic attack last night b/c of the mental strain that psychedelics put on peoples minds especially with mental disorders. (I believe you were involved in this also) I have married and divorced a drug dealer.. My family has fought drug addictions for years. I have watched drugs destroy my family's sanity (and my own life with my own drug habits and my ex-husbands) more than once over again. My brother is in jail for being in a house where someone speed balled and died (heroin and coke). He was held reliable. My ex-husband was caught dealing and went to jail. And I am still here saying what I believe.... They were wrong for being around those people. The drugs don't make you do it. YOU MAKE YOU DO IT. But after all of these  obstacles I am now only on 1 drug. It does not consume my life but It shouldn't have to.
*Thanks for clearing that up for me. You are right but also are wrong. People who base their life around ANY drug are not up to LIFE'S standards. And "usually" fail at functioning in society.

**This isn't a sob story. I don't want pity. I only want to inform others to it doesn't happen to them and maybe they will have someone to relate to if they are going through these things. But I too speak from experience :smile:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881586 - 07/20/06 04:32 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Opiates are fucking gay. I hate when my friends use them around me, they get all unbearable... but still, everybody does their own thing and as a "drug community" why would you outcast the worst drug of all?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5881593 - 07/20/06 04:34 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

don't mistake my hatred of fascist thinking as an individual attack. (i use you in the plural sense :P )

i think the poll that was posted speaks for itself. don't discriminate!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881646 - 07/20/06 04:58 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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edit: also, i'm not saying the drugs are bad, i'm saying the poeple who prefer or base thier life around those drugs are not up to psychedelic standards. i'm not saying the side effects are bad, or that those drugs cause violence.




If that is the case, why shouldn't we talk about the use of those drugs here? Only through ignorance do people behave that way.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881668 - 07/20/06 05:05 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5881675 - 07/20/06 05:06 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Junkies are subhuman. They make me want to vomit.

Yesterday on the way to school I saw a junkie I know. He weighs about 90 pounds now. He walks around the ghetto trying to scrounge up money to get his next hit. As I zoomed by I saw him try to scam a woman for money. He made pleading gestures and the second he saw that she would not respond he walked away. Fucking parasite piece of garbage.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5881736 - 07/20/06 05:25 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Junkies are subhuman. They make me want to vomit.

I couldnt agree more.I for some reason have a personal dislike for every last one of them.I do think that everyone should be able to do as the please and if you would like to talk about it here you should be allowed to but I know that I dont like being around those kind of people or even seeing them


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5881772 - 07/20/06 05:34 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

there are users , abusers and a million different hues inbetween... i know several junkies that make me sick just thinkin about being like them.. then again i use occasionally and i am nothing like them.... i dont shoot up, i dont steal, i dont beg, i dont starve myself.... just happens that my drug of choice is an opiate deriative instead of hit of meth/coke/alcohol/gas/a gunshot to the head

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5881779 - 07/20/06 05:36 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

if this community was to lock out opiate users i would leave this place as well even if i strongly dislike opiates. for me it would be the same as if shroomery wouldnt accept black people or jewish people.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: shamantra]
    #5881791 - 07/20/06 05:40 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

yup...i almost left cause they were talking about banning crack recipes... i fucking hate crack.. but it shouldnt be banned from discussion.. just as people with various drug preferences shouldnt be banned

this entire thread is ignorance at its finest


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5881807 - 07/20/06 05:47 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

hahahaha, okay i didn't hear anything about that. i didn't realise its already been discussed.

crack recipies would be the perfect example for the kind of stuff i don't think belongs at the shroomery. if that has already been brought up, and decided in favor of, then i have nothing more to say. i'll still be around...


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881818 - 07/20/06 05:51 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

good for you... you dont own this site...

you didnt hear anything about it cause it was talked about in the mod forum. well over a year ago... and i stuck up for it just on the grounds of freedom of information.. and the fact that the forum 'other drug disc.' is specifically for just that kind of talk.... soooooooooooooooo enough of your houlier than thou attitude.. it makes me sick


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Infrared]
    #5881841 - 07/20/06 05:57 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

yeah, and your gay shit makes me stupid, so i guess its a pretty even trade-off.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881844 - 07/20/06 05:58 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Your on your own...

Should opiate users be allowed to post here and discuss their drug of choice?
Users may choose only one (23 total votes)

Yes. 20 87%


No. 1 04%


STAL. 2 9%



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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5881850 - 07/20/06 05:59 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

my "gay shit" huh.. what would that be? am i making to much sense for you? are my reasoning skills to fair for a fascist like yourself?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5881874 - 07/20/06 06:06 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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I do think that everyone should be able to do as the please




I guess thats why we have a police state and why mushrooms and weed and everything ell's are illegal.


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    #5881890 - 07/20/06 06:13 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Infrared said:
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truekimbo2 said:
a) im ignorant
b) i like to generalize
c) im an exclusionary
d) my chair sits higher than everyone elses cause i say so
f)uck off








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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5881891 - 07/20/06 06:13 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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just kinda funny the way people are in their biases :smirk:




That's because drug elitists are about halfway retarded. Maybe a little more.




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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5881892 - 07/20/06 06:14 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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I agree. We should start a "send truekimbo2 home" fund.




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    #5882181 - 07/20/06 08:08 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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i'm saying the poeple who prefer or base thier life around those drugs are not up to psychedelic standards.




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    #5882194 - 07/20/06 08:12 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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    #5882200 - 07/20/06 08:13 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: MasterOfTheToys]
    #5882367 - 07/20/06 09:10 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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    #5882403 - 07/20/06 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Yes, as many opiate users may be occaisional users who focus on and study mycology. Just because someone may pop a few percocet every now and then doesn't mean that they don't love and respect psilocybes.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5887911 - 07/22/06 05:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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"LIEK OMG SHROMZ R SEW AWESOME0rzzz BUT OTHER DRUGS R NAWT LOL :flowstone:"



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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: blissedout]
    #5887943 - 07/22/06 05:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: CaptainH13]
    #7768550 - 12/17/07 10:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

a am inclined to comment t here being as i was/ still occasionally am an opiate user, more specifically oxycontin, vicodin, and percocet...the main painkillers in America. Not all at once mind you.
Anyways i use them as responsibly as you can when your abusing a prescription drug, which isn't responsible in the first place...but i consider myself a very intelligent person who enjoys smoking, and tripping more-so than pain killers because you can take a meaning away from a trip. the only thing you take from an opiate high such as oxy is an urge to do it the next day!

Painkillers are definitely considered a "harder drug" which they OBVIOUSLY are but they are also abused very frequently across the globe...especially in America, such as pot, and other drugs are...accepting someone who uses opiates doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't possible psychonauts as well....thanks "tha mage"


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #7768786 - 12/17/07 12:12 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

xshadowmage666x, don't be silly.

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7770665 - 12/17/07 07:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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i wouldn't mind poeple on mushrooms in my house, but i would very much mind poeple shooting heroin in my house.
also, i wouldn't mind poeple snorting E at a gathering, but i would mind poeple smoking crack.



I'd much rather have a friend over to share a crack-pipe or some opiates than have a messed up kid tripping balls on mushrooms or MDMA in my apartment.
Both crack and opiate users are much easier to be around than a psychonaut halfway to outer space.
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7770845 - 12/17/07 08:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

its always nice to see an old thread bumped to the top.

should we accept them? fuck ya we should. it doesnt matter your drug of choice, the shroomery should be an open accepting internet forum for all drug users... the shroomery provides accurate information from veteran users and anonymous help/advise for those that seek it. as far as i see it, thats what this community is all about.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Nalim]
    #7770986 - 12/17/07 09:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd much rather have a friend over to share a crack-pipe or some opiates than have a messed up kid tripping balls on mushrooms or MDMA in my apartment.
Both crack and opiate users are much easier to be around than a psychonaut halfway to outer space.





I'd much rather be around some kid on MDMA or mushrooms than a tweaked out crackhead. People on stimulants are usually just fucking annoying if your sober.

Opiate users, meh, don't mind being around them as long as they aren't one of the addicts who would betray you for their next hit.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: wildchild68]
    #7771002 - 12/17/07 09:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

We should ban all junkies Who the hell would do heroin!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Dobie]
    #7771027 - 12/17/07 09:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's ridiculous to even have to ask a question like this. Why in the world wouldn't you except opiate users as a community?? If theres anything mushrooms have taught me it is to be open towards other ideas or ways of life and be accepting towards others.

That said i am a big fan of all opiates personally and while our group of "drug users" has its dark side, so do all other types of drug users.


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    #7771202 - 12/17/07 09:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Old thread is old.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Rekkuzo]
    #7771279 - 12/17/07 10:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

idk what i posted before in here, but i snorted 30mg oxy earlier. does the general shroomery population want to accept me? ^_^


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    #7771398 - 12/17/07 10:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7771443 - 12/17/07 10:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

dude, get the hell down off your high chair, then repeatedly beat yourself in the face with it. People come here for knowledge about all substances, if you have a problem with that then YOU should leave, not them.

You are NO better then anyone else, everyone has a choice and people are allowed to make that choice for themselves. Who the fuck are you to tell them what to do or how to do it?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7771693 - 12/17/07 11:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see why not. That'd be like not accepting people on this board because they like Miley Cyrus.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Boots]
    #7771855 - 12/17/07 11:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This is an old thread, but I am happy to see tolerance over this issue. Personally, I would say opiates hasn't improved my life at all, quite the opposite, but I don't think this board should be to deter or promote drug use. Just give your story as unbiased as you can and let the user decide.

Also, opiate use is pretty common among the same crowds that are eating mushrooms, so I think its quite appropriate that we talk about it in ODD.


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    #7771864 - 12/17/07 11:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i don't know if as a community is should be baned but its fine by me plus the more info shared the better right( i cant see that post for some reason)


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Dobie]
    #7771932 - 12/18/07 12:07 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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We should ban all junkies Who the hell would do heroin!




lol...of all people.

But yea, I think we should accept opiate users. Why would we accept people who smoke pot all day everyday but not opiate users? Its a preference and I think you should respect people's preferences.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: wildchild68]
    #7772038 - 12/18/07 12:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Nalim said:

I'd much rather have a friend over to share a crack-pipe or some opiates than have a messed up kid tripping balls on mushrooms or MDMA in my apartment.
Both crack and opiate users are much easier to be around than a psychonaut halfway to outer space.





I'd much rather be around some kid on MDMA or mushrooms than a tweaked out crackhead. People on stimulants are usually just fucking annoying if your sober.

Opiate users, meh, don't mind being around them as long as they aren't one of the addicts who would betray you for their next hit.




I couldn't agree more...ppl on crack are the most irritating ppl in the world...can't sit still, constantly checking the windows, sometimes hiding behind a fort made of couch's and chairs, prone to violent irrational behaviour, and will steal your wallet(and pants it was in) while your sleeping and then come up with a ridiculous story of someone breaking in when you call them out on it in the morning lol

and then when you move out and forget the hydro is in your name only(/me = dumbass) they will rack up a $500 dept which I now have to pay

this was almost a year ago now and that dept is eating at my credit(had no credit beforehand) its so hard to make payments on something you never used!

hes just lucky I'm not a violent person thats all I got to say about that

anyways off topic...all drug users or no drug users as irritating as an opiate addict with that typical selfish attitude problem is or the crack head who thinks aliens are coming to steal his underwear :P


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #7772062 - 12/18/07 12:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As a community should we accept pot users?


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    #7772204 - 12/18/07 01:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

since this thread seems to be somewhat revived, just going to restate some points some people seem to have missed.

a) i'm not talking about poly-drug abusers using opiates occasionally and recreationally, i'm talking about people who use mainly opiates, and on a constant basis.

b) my concern was that at the time there were a bunch of threads on how to inject heroin and how to find it and so on.

c) saying all drugs are equal, and by extension all drug users are equal is incorrect. drugs have different effects and attract different personalities. saying that all drugs are equal is like saying all music is the same.
yes there are preferences... but here at the shroomery i expected to see a primary focus on shrooms, which i do in fact see... but i also see alot of young people that may be impressionable or in a tough spot in life who don't need to know the best way to cook up crack rocks.

i've lived with a heroin addict, a meth addict, alcoholics, and a cocaine addict. i've been friends with heroin addicts, meth addicts, cocaine addicts, ketamine addicts, pot addicts, alcoholics, mushroom users, acid users, mdma users, ayahuasca users, sante daime members, cacti eaters, robo trippers, and RC kids.
based on knowing all these different types of people is where i draw the conclusion that opiate addicts are generally lacking in psychedelic principles.
and for those who use psychedelics and then get into opiate use, would you not say that during the opiate use you had a major shift in character from when you were using psychedelics?

i've already said it once, but if you're currently not an opiate user, honestly ask yourself which stranger you'd rather be camped next to at a gathering, someone shooting heroin or eating mushrooms.

the question is excluded from opiate users because of course they'd be biased... although even then all the heroin addicts i know hate other heroin addicts and don't trust them...


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7772212 - 12/18/07 01:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

why not everyone has there Vice ???? although they may post weird why not.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7775589 - 12/18/07 11:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I mainly use opiates and have for quite some time now (up to being as strong as OC's, I wont do heroin). To say I am not addicted would be absurd. Sure I love them and do them when I get the chance, but I am far from sitting in the corner in the fetal position when I cant. I am not going to run out and rob and old lady or a store to get "my fix".

You CAN NOT just throw all opiate "addicts" into the same category and say that we are all "bad".

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Jamio]
    #7778349 - 12/19/07 06:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Should we except opiate users.. :strokebeard: Well, in that case, should we except closed minded individuals then? Do you know how many people (including mods, supporters, members) use opiates (along with other things) on here? It's not an epidemic by any means, BUT it IS their choice and I believe the shroomery is here for adults who make adult desissions. Isn't an adult desission, also choosing what substances enter your body? Just because jimmy does opie doesn't mean he should be pushed down the stares! Invite him for tea, or if need be, say hello and continue to pass by. As an adult, I believe that we should respect peoples choices (unless say, they rob you or be an asshole). What do YOU do? Who says we DONT except amph. users? I for one, EXCEPT a meth user, but do not EVER really want it to be in me (aside from me trying a role or two later on in life). Do you do coke? Thats a semi-synthetic. So is LSD. Whats the dif? Duration and feeling. It's STILL a mind altering molecule. As far as I'm concerned, If you can hold your shit and be responsible about it, fuck it, thats YOUR dicesion. Don't let ME tell you what to do. Of course, I WOULD suggest away from the more addicting things as they seem to have a pattern of being abused but with an addictive personality like mine, pot can be pretty addicting sometimes. Does that mean that I should be shunned because I have an addictive personality? For me, any drug could be addicting so should I SHUN all drugs? No. Responsible use is the answer and if you cant handle your mustard, make a different sandwich :bongload:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7778391 - 12/19/07 06:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7778404 - 12/19/07 06:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No one distrusts junkies more than other junkies. Having them post here and having them in your house is two totally different things. Remember though, a lot of opiate addicts are into psychedelics, they just like different chemicals in addition. This is an open forum to share information and ideas, banning people because you disagree with their ideas goes against the whole point of having this type of site.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7778405 - 12/19/07 06:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

ask them in for tea? ya and while your in the kitchen preparing that said tea your valuables fly out the fuckin door :P

I'm just kiddin I agree that you can't group all addicts together and I believe they should be accepted here...would it be a better world without drug addiction? probably but as the US's war on drugs has proved trying to force ppl into what you believe is "best" for them just causes them to rebel further...I believe in education and acceptance and help for those who have landed themselves way over their heads with a substance and the shroomery is a great place for that education and understanding and help for a person looking to escape the confines of a drug addiction

but on the other hand I can tell you that reading threads about how great oxycontin was over and over and over again when I decided to start growing mushrooms and registered for grow info and to post pics etc played a role in my choice(and even in realizing that I had this "wonderful" substance sitting maybe 10ft away from me) I resisted for months but eventually gave in(knowing the risks and promising myself over and over and over not to let myself get addicted) and here I am on methadone still recovering from the addiction and have accepted I may NEVER be able to achieve the level of happiness I was at one point capable of again

maybe thats why I've spent so much time posting in ODD about my experiences with opiates and recommending ppl stay far away because it was the lack of these posts that in part lead to my horrible decision to use

but I refuse to blame others for my own choices...I made the choice to try it and now I have to deal with the concequences...I knew I was playing with fire and I got burned


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #7778411 - 12/19/07 06:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Being on MMT sucks, ever think about lowering your dose and going on bupe?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: fapjack]
    #7778438 - 12/19/07 06:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if bupe is available here I'm gonna look into it...I already made the decision to start coming off meth next time I see my doc(monday)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #7778656 - 12/19/07 07:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Say I grew a bunch of opium poppies. Say from that, I got a half oz of raw poppy latex/opium. If I refined to pure opium, How addictive would using only Opium be? I kinda wanted to try opium since it's never been in VT for me to try but whats the risk factor of addiction with opium? Say I smoked it on the weekends. After how many weekends do you think I'd start psychologically needing to do it do you think? After reading this thread I don't know if I even want to try it but I HAD planned on planting mad poppies next year :P

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7782071 - 12/20/07 05:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

its really impossible to say how risky it is cause I don't know you

personality plays a role for sure and everyone reacts different to every drug

isn't raw opium known for almost collapsing china because of addiction? I remember reading an article about how this could have been exaggerated and that it may have been the illegalization of opium which lead to more addictive derivatives which caused the actual problem

but I really don't know enough about it to say either way...I wouldn't fuck around with it but thats based on my bias views towards opiates


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #7782081 - 12/20/07 05:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The opium wars, whether or not it was destroying china is an opinion. According to some people marijuana is destroying America, so thats entirely relative to the individual. The rate of opium addiction was very high in China though, not sure how much though.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7782710 - 12/20/07 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This place should be called the druggery then. I have smoked opium before, and I might smoke it again. But since I can use the keypad alright, I don't mind going to poppies.org when I want to know something about that. Or icmag.com when I want to know something about herb. I don't really care, I just thought this place was dedicated to psilocybes, or at least psychedelics. Allowing this place to become the "druggery" explains why there are so many lame trolls here though, I imagine most of them prefer meth.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: sirharrynuggz]
    #7789195 - 12/22/07 04:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry, I just re-read that and it sounds more harsh than I meant it to. I love the shroomery. I don't post much, but have been coming here for many years. I was a member on DroolDonkey too, before they got shut down. I would just like to see a site (doesn't have to be this site I guess) that is all about psychedelics. Like I said, there are sites just for opiates, and for herb and for just about everything else... why not post each drug inquiry to a forum dedicated to that drug? End rant.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7789201 - 12/22/07 04:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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    #7789875 - 12/22/07 07:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7805288 - 12/27/07 09:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

mod edit: No flaming in the pub
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #19478949 - 01/26/14 11:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Many people who enjoy psilocybin also enjoy other chemicals. What's so hard to understand about this? Should a person be limited to only one specific substance?



Well, Baron - & I apologise if this thread has been idle for a long time but I am pretty new and hold strong views on this and similar subjects, being very much a socialist libertarian...
I am glad to read this. There were a couple of posts there that betrayed the writer's hypocrisy deeply. Your simple answer is really the only one when you come down to it.
How many people do you know who only ever use one single mind altering substance to the exclusion of all others, what's more, on MORAL grounds??!
I've been prescribed opioids (a LOT thereof) for - well, this is now the twentieth year; and have adored them since day #1. Such a lovely feeling that I began to investigate others both prescription and illicit practically immediately and they became, very quickly, my drug family of choive.
Does that mean I don't touch anything else with completely different effects? Of course not. Most people I know are polydrug users. About the only oine I have no time for at all is alcohol. Probably because people under its influence rapidly turn into arseholes. Boring ones who are
convinced they are amusing.

This is an Other Drugs' section after all.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: zaborav]
    #19478973 - 01/26/14 11:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

THE KRAT BARON said:
Many people who enjoy psilocybin also enjoy other chemicals. What's so hard to understand about this? Should a person be limited to only one specific substance?



Well, Baron - & I apologise if this thread has been idle for a long time but I am pretty new and hold strong views on this and similar subjects, being very much a socialist libertarian...
I am glad to read this. There were a couple of posts there that betrayed the writer's hypocrisy deeply. Your simple answer is really the only one when you come down to it.
How many people do you know who only ever use one single mind altering substance to the exclusion of all others, what's more, on MORAL grounds??!
I've been prescribed opioids (a LOT thereof) for - well, this is now the twentieth year; and have adored them since day #1. Such a lovely feeling that I began to investigate others both prescription and illicit practically immediately and they became, very quickly, my drug family of choive.
Does that mean I don't touch anything else with completely different effects? Of course not. Most people I know are polydrug users. About the only oine I have no time for at all is alcohol. Probably because people under its influence rapidly turn into arseholes. Boring ones who are
convinced they are amusing.

This is an Other Drugs' section after all.




half the posters from this thread dont even post anymore.
you can resurrect old threads if you have useful information but resurrecting a thread this old is pointless man.
its 7 years old

every old thread that gets brought back up is from a new member. anyone else notice this?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Absolem0918]
    #19479000 - 01/26/14 11:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

What
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Like, forreal?

If you've got a problem with opiates, don't use them. It's as simple as that.

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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19479050 - 01/26/14 11:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

B-b-b-blast from the past!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #19479341 - 01/27/14 12:43 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I got excited to see truekimbo2 :awesome: and then saw the date :sad: Disappointed.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Lion]
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I got excited to see truekimbo2 :awesome: and then saw the date :sad: Disappointed.




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