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as a community should we accept opiate users?
    #5880405 - 07/20/06 07:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

every once in a while i see a post like this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5878769/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

this is by no means the only one, also i've noticed we have a current drug alert for fentanyl sold as heroin.

just curious if this is something that exsists kind of on the outskirts of our board because most of us don't really feel strongly one way or another about it, or as a community do we accept ALL drug users?

the only type of drug user i've seen openly abused is the poeple who can't spell and post trip reports for taking benzos/alchohol/vicodans together and getting real fuxored.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880406 - 07/20/06 07:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

of all my time here ,basically everything one could take into a body has been used,,abused,and used some more...

opiates are probably one of the last things that would be outed from this place


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880432 - 07/20/06 07:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I see no problem with it...this is why Other Drugs Discussion exists. Why should it matter if they get high on opiates instead of mushrooms?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880457 - 07/20/06 08:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Besides being a great source of mushroom info, is this site also not dedicated to harm reduction?

Why would we oust any user for their choice of drug?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880477 - 07/20/06 08:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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as a community should we accept opiate users?




:eek:

Emm.. Err..

:eek:

Ehmmm..

It seems pretty obvious to me that our Opiate using members should continue to find an online home, or refuge, at the Shroomery, and to me it seems outrageous if it were decided to "let them go". Knowing the admins, that fortuately will probably not happen too.

Opiate users offer us psychedelics users a peek down the rabbithole, just like we offer a peek down the rabbithole to them. As I see it as an ODD mod, the Shroomery experience has a positive influence on reducing and preventing abuse of hard drugs for most members facing such issues.

The naive flirting with opiates by mostly our young members is a frightening trend, but it reflects what goes on throughout society, and in ODD it comes accompanied by expert advice by veteran members. On the whole, I feel, we do far more good than bad, which is convenient for a drug community website with a harm reduction agenda.

Freevibe is a fanclub of kids who make saying NO their lifestyle. If that helps them through their teenage years drugfree, hey, thats fine by me. But in contrast, I believe the Shroomery has prevented more factual abuse and bad choices than Freevibe ever did. Here you get the real dope on drugs, uncut by senseless propaganda by people who wouldn't know a drug if it bit them in the ass.

In my view we should welcome our hard drug brethren just like we do our non-drug members. We can't close our eyes to the world, and deprive them of us, or deprive us of them.
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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880478 - 07/20/06 08:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I had an addiction to OC's ... Its sucks.. Opium makes heroin you know?? But This resorts back to the question... Why do we accept opiate users and not methamphetamine? They are both highly addictive. Opiates are physically addictive and mentally addictive. Methamphetamine is only mental... And MDMA is a form of Amphetamine yet it is accepted.... SO let the debate begin!!!!

Personally as long as you aren't bangin it... GO for it. Whatever floats ur boat!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880480 - 07/20/06 08:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i believe there is a large differnce bettween the users of differnt drugs. mushroom users are differnt from ketamine users are differnt from meth users are differnt from heroin users are differnt from pot smokers (poly drug use: same thing, weed/shrooms is differnt from dmt/acid is differnt from heroin/alchohol.)

i wouldn't mind poeple on mushrooms in my house, but i would very much mind poeple shooting heroin in my house.
also, i wouldn't mind poeple snorting E at a gathering, but i would mind poeple smoking crack.

just curious to see if most poeple support an all-inclusive drug community here or a closed one.

personally i support a more closed one, but i am a biased bigot.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Schwip]
    #5880482 - 07/20/06 08:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think they should be outted...that goes against what the shroomery is about...some of us think that opiates are better off untouched, but that dosen't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss them...frankly thats the same kinda logic that has led to the problems we have with drug laws today

not only that but I believe ppl have the right to try opiates if they want...but I just think they should understand how serious they are before making the choice wheather to use them or not

basically I support what shulgin said in teh extasy report peter jennings did...he said he believes that everything that is known about a drug good and bad should be available to a person deciding wheather they want to use that drug or not


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880490 - 07/20/06 08:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i left out the point that there are lots of OTHER places for poeple to get info on opiates/other heavy drugs.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880495 - 07/20/06 08:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

truekimbo2 said:
i believe there is a large differnce bettween the users of differnt drugs. mushroom users are differnt from ketamine users are differnt from meth users are differnt from heroin users are differnt from pot smokers (poly drug use: same thing, weed/shrooms is differnt from dmt/acid is differnt from heroin/alchohol.)




First (and not to pick on you but to make a point.) Can you cout the spelling errors on this part of the post alone?

I have never banged anything, but I have gone through phases of each of these. The only one I truly developed a problem with was Alcohol and Opiates mixed. But at the time, That was my choice. So what do I fit into now then? Not everyone fits into a neat little box for anyone's stereo types. I can say I don't fit into anyones box of what a perfect drug user is. And if you use drugs you should not judge others that use drugs of a different choice. Just because you believe it's right doesn't make it right. This is America we have freedom of speech just not freedom of choice in all matters.

Who is anyone to judge what others do? Who is perfect? Who is normal? What is normal? Who is to judge whats accepted?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5880498 - 07/20/06 08:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

*count* as i make one myself... I guess that's a second point.. even if it was a type-o :smile:


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880500 - 07/20/06 08:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Many people who enjoy psilocybin also enjoy other chemicals. What's so hard to understand about this? Should a person be limited to only one specific substance?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: malarki]
    #5880502 - 07/20/06 08:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This is America




Nope, this is the Shroomery.
Whatever the admins decree, goes. Other than cybercrime the admins can decide on anything they want. This is a private international organisation. We've got Dutchmen in a heatwave, Indian members growing cubies on elephant dung and Jewish members who are right now harboring refugees from the war. This is NOT america.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Asante]
    #5880512 - 07/20/06 08:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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This is America




Nope, this is the Shroomery.
Whatever the admins decree, goes. Other than cybercrime the admins can decide on anything they want. This is a private international organisation. We've got Dutchmen in a heatwave, Indian members growing cubies on elephant dung and Jewish members who are right now harboring refugees from the war. This is NOT america.




I stand corrected. Sometime I myself forget to think outside MY little box. > But I think that proves my last two points :smile:
(even you make spelling errors... *organization *America .. )


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880517 - 07/20/06 08:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

would you have a community if you didn't?


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880522 - 07/20/06 09:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think they should be outted...that goes against what the shroomery is about...some of us think that opiates are better off untouched, but that dosen't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss them...frankly thats the same kinda logic that has led to the problems we have with drug laws today

not only that but I believe ppl have the right to try opiates if they want...but I just think they should understand how serious they are before making the choice wheather to use them or not

basically I support what shulgin said in teh extasy report peter jennings did...he said he believes that everything that is known about a drug good and bad should be available to a person deciding wheather they want to use that drug or not




I think that it is an important and wise decision to be knowledgeable about drugs before doing any of them. I have made the mistake of not researching (younger smoking pot- this was a "normal" behavior in my family) but I have learned and now research, to the best of my ability, things that I put in my body. That is one of the best parts about these forums, we can converse about these things to help inform the uninformed!


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5880541 - 07/20/06 09:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

just let things be
why you gotta go and stir shit up
you know it only stinks when you stir shit


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880543 - 07/20/06 09:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So we can't be friends anymore :rolleyes:
I use opiates recreationally. I have for many years now. I'v done almost every opiate under the sun, and even used some intraveniously. I have never been an addict, i have never robbed anyone, i have never shared a needle, and i have never fucked a friend over.
Today after my girlfriend gets off of work, we are going to enjoy some poppy tea.
I wish you would get over your bias against opiate users. I met you at the gathering, and you seemed pretty cool. I would hate to think that you would look at me differant next time, because i occasionally embibe in opiate use.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5880560 - 07/20/06 09:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think i may not have been specific enough. i meant daily or semi-daily users of opiates/barbituates/alchohol/methamphetamine/cocaine/crack/ect.

edit: eh i'm going to be even less strict, and say anyone who the above drugs are thier drug of choice.

to refer to my origional post, i think posts on how to make shootable poppy extract are questionable.
also, posts about ODing or going through withdrawl outside the health and wellness are questionable.


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Re: as a community should we accept opiate users? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880565 - 07/20/06 09:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i was requested to post this.


Re: r u serious?
From: nakors_junk_bag
why don't you( with my permission), post these messages in a public forum?

make sure you specify the fact I have given u permission, or else the wrath will fall from the heavens on you.

Quote truekimbo2:
oh!, yeah defintely. i don't really mean all opiate users though, and i also don't mean just opiates, i was picking on them in particular due to personal bias.

more exactly, i do not believe that the shroomery is the proper place for daily or almost daily abusers of opiates/cocaine/crack/alchohol/amphetamines/methamphetamines.

i like my metaphor of a party. i go to parties where poeple do E, acid, shrooms, K, ect. i avoid parties or poeple that are doing the above substances.

Quote nakors_junk_bag :
about the fact that you may sriously be considering the validity of opiate users on the org.

Quote truekimbo2:
about what?

Quote nakors_junk_bag:
well are you?


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