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Is gambling a sin
#5879194 - 07/19/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I went to the casino and won 171 playing poker off 1 benjamin
I know the game in and out,
but I feel somewhat guilty outdueling people out of their cash,
my direct success is their direct failure
plus I know the game goes in peeks and valleys, but the key is to minimize your risk and take advantage of those who don't
also I think posting here has helped my skills, so thx everyone
I don't know though, I don't really want to get drawn in, and I think thats why my play is better these days, because I play more for fun rather trying to comeup,
well what do u think..? Is gambling bad, because alot people have suffered financially because they get addicted.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5879231 - 07/19/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I once played poker with an old lady at a casino and I won big time. I felt bad though and refused to accept her money. After that I have always avoided gambling.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Basilides]
#5879397 - 07/19/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The last time mrs rabbit and I went to Reno, we didn't even play the slots. I've always considered gambling to be a tax on people with poor math skills.
But a sin. . . no. That was invented by the church for two reasons. One, the bible says that during jesus's crucifixion people 'cast lots', meaning they gambled for his clothes. Two, any money you lose gambling is money you don't have to give to the church. That's reason enough for them to call it a sin. RR
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RogerRabbit said: One, the bible says that during jesus's crucifixion people 'cast lots', meaning they gambled for his clothes.
To cast lots does not mean to gamble. It means to distribute or assign.
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Two, any money you lose gambling is money you don't have to give to the church. That's reason enough for them to call it a sin. RR
Wow, you just pulled that statement straight out of your ass.
Jesus didn't ask for any donations, period. He didn't even teach in a church.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879651 - 07/19/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does. And casting lots is interpreted by bible scholars as synonomous with rolling dice or flipping coins, etc. RR
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879690 - 07/19/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anything (as a die, pebble, ball, or slip of paper) used in determining a question by chance, or without man's choice or will. to cast lots to draw lots
Even though it is determined by chance, "casting lots" was used in most examples in the Bible not as a form of entertainment, but a way to destribute or make a petition about a decision, used as a lottery or a vote to distribute land, items or make some type of executive decision
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5879736 - 07/19/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just this evening I saw a client who has been totally freaked by her live-in boyfriend of 4 years leaving her to pursue his fantasy of becoming a professional poker player. He has been falling further and further into addiction, spending 8 hours at a time on the computer, lying about the stakes and even sneaking out of bed in the middle of the night to play. I had another client whose father bet their house and lost it!
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RogerRabbit said: lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does.
It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
God doesn't need to be funded by our money, either, but pastors have to eat. A lot of churches do go to the extreme making donations quasi-mandatory to belong, but I see nothing wrong with a donation plate getting passed around. You don't need to go to church to be with God, but if you do, then you support the establishment, and the establishment's servants are human, too.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879924 - 07/20/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can't read the negative message of the story of the Roman centurians who 'threw bones' (rolled dice) to gamble on 'The Robe' of Jesus, at the foot of His cross, then you must be hung up on reading words alone.
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Fospher said: It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
I.e., gambling, the act, specifically is not classified as a sin in the Bible.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879995 - 07/20/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does.
It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
God doesn't need to be funded by our money, either, but pastors have to eat. A lot of churches do go to the extreme making donations quasi-mandatory to belong, but I see nothing wrong with a donation plate getting passed around. You don't need to go to church to be with God, but if you do, then you support the establishment, and the establishment's servants are human, too.
The bible multiple times gives examples as to not make donations open to others eyes and that it is a private act and should not be necessary as a public display aka passing a plate around.
Jehovah's witnesses are bogus but the leaders of the organization maybe way up some head chief is secretly taking money but a fairly close relative of myn is the highest up at a kingdom hall and he doesn't make a dime from the religion. He has a decent job and lives an average life.
I am trying to buy a car from a pastor near by and he has about 15 tricked out mustangs and he just a music pasture. Huge house huge car garage tons of cars some with over 450 horse power, super charged cobras and who knows what ell's this guy has that I do not know about.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: mikeownow]
#5880003 - 07/20/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mikeownow said: I am trying to buy a car from a pastor near by and he has about 15 tricked out mustangs and he just a music pasture. Huge house huge car garage tons of cars some with over 450 horse power, super charged cobras and who knows what ell's this guy has that I do not know about.
There's been corruption in the church before Jesus, what's your point?
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: mikeownow]
#5880016 - 07/20/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You just can not trust religion, actually the only trust able religion is the ones that people hate and make fun of, which is what happens through the whole bible coincidentally. In the bible everyone hated Jesus except a minority and everyone hated the minority that liked Jesus etc. If the bible is true why would it be any different today.
I do not belive the bible but I feel that I have a very acurate view of what the bible is all about.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5881049 - 07/20/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fospher said: It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
I.e., gambling, the act, specifically is not classified as a sin in the Bible.
You are obviously just reading words and can't see what the story is showing you. Another case of 'can't see the forest for the trees.'
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5881140 - 07/20/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't buying car insurance gambling?
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Diploid]
#5881224 - 07/20/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ned Flanders thinks so about house insurance.
if you feel bad about gambling, don't.
gambling per se isn't too negative in my eyes, but if you look at the casino environments, people will have their souls drained, their brains zombified, and their wallets empty just so they can get a fleeting thrill of some buzzers going off.
few people regularly make profits, many lose, some suffer from it as addicts, some have fun, many feel neutral, some feel disappointed.
on the whole the gambling industry induces suffering though. so you are indirectly / directly (?) contributing to it by partaking in it.
what I WOULD feel bad about is poker, becuase yes you are cheating people out of their money by kind of being a bully..... you ought to play blackjack or roullette instead i say.
conceivably this karma is consentual and therefore not particuarly heavy, as the same can happen to you in the game of poker, but still, a lot of suffering can come up from playing a game against real people, and being beaten savagely, than say, playing against a dealer or a machine.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid , I think you have something there... To make it so insurance is not a legal requirement lol.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: I once played poker with an old lady at a casino and I won big time. I felt bad though and refused to accept her money. After that I have always avoided gambling.
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Your grandma would be proud of you but I would suggest you never gamble again. A real gambler would never ever give back money to someone who lost it to them. Noble don't pay the bills.
I am fortunate to be able to compete at the blackjack table enough to pretty much win a few bucks and tip the dealers while getting shitfaced. I can play for hours with a loose count and I know when to stand up and take a walk when I get ahead. Maybe grab a bite to eat on the house's money and then play again later.
Winning takes far more discipline than losing and most people would rather lose and cry than win and feel good. I am not sure why that is other than they love to cry and piss and moan about their "bad luck" (lack of any kind of skills) and make their lives miserable. Then to become addicted to that loser action and negatively impact their family and friend's lives just plain shows a lack of good judgement in addition to no skills.
When you gamble, you need losing limits and winning limits for each and every session. For blackjack you need to know and rigidly adhere to basic strategy and know how to count cards and use that to your advantage because that is the only edge you will get. There is no other. Still, good money management and leaving when ahead is so critical not only to one's bank account but mental feelgood account that there really is no substitute. How many people at the casino leave a winner? 10%? Maybe?
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what I WOULD feel bad about is poker, because yes you are cheating people out of their money by kind of being a bully..... you ought to play blackjack or roulette instead i say.
Yeah being a bully backfires in poker, people pick up on the fact that your bluffing alot and this usually an easy way to get drained quickly, because eventually someone will be holding the nuts, to me its situational to many different variables, whether to bluff, or muck it, or chase, how strong your hand is, how many outs do you have, how they played their had before the flop, after the flop, how they played before that hand, are they a 'rock' or are they loose player,
also casino play is alot more fair than internet play IMO, another factor in poker is reading expressions and body language which you don't get on the internet, also I think internet hands aren't truly as random as hands being dealt from an actual dealer, computer card generation is a bigger difference than one realizes, also how can online casinos be giving out free bonuses if there isn't some type of catch, so many monsters get shot down with even stronger monster hands, theres to much coincidence IMO to call this truly random, and this is the fishy part of how online casinos conduct themselves, you can have the most beautiful hands and get consistently beaten, and seems to happen often in these environments, I just don't trust it,
one good thing about internet play is you figure out alot different scenarios quickly, and understand the math behind the game itself, but don't expect to rake in on these online casinos too quickly,
the trick to playing online isn't even really playing the actual game, the real smart online players go after the bonuses offered, say they offer a %20 monthly bonus on your deposit, so if you deposit 500 in your account you get 100 free, but the catch is that you have to clear a certain amount of rakes to obtain this 100, which is not hard, plus its less pressure to try to come up which I think makes you game better, when you know after a certain amount of rakes you'll get some cash, then once you get your bonus then you can withdraw the cash
but probably 95% of all online players don't understand this tactic, they don't deposit enough to get a worthwhile bonus and they don't understand the logic behind playing bonuses, if you sign up for 5 sites that offer monthly bonuses, thats extra 500 a month purely off bonuses and minimal risk, this to me is the only feasible non-risky way to make a profit with an online site, but it takes a little cash to make a little cash,
another way is tournaments, these might be a safer platform, especially under fraud and under loosing bankrolls, but its still somewhat tricky to play
as far as black jack and roulette or any other house game, more chances than not, unless you have some super ability to count cards, or some crazy philosophy in working the slots, your guaranteed to lose out because the house is stacked against you, you have a less than 50% probability in winning, meaning you have no chance in the long run,
but still addicts are still so drawn to the bells and whistles that they'll do it anyways even when they know better, which is just mind boggling to me, unless flushing your cash is fun which some people think it is, as soon as they get some luck, all rational goes out the window and they start playing loose, then they lose what they came up on, so then they want to get it back, but they lose again, so now their in the hole, now they play some more to get out of the hole, but fall deeper,
the trick is to always play games that aren't stacked against you and to play even keel, low and highs, the only fair game I know is poker, but its not an easy game to master because everyone wants to master it as well, but it can be done,
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5883209 - 07/20/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think gambling is a sin, maybe what you use the winings too buy, might be,
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: rod]
#5883283 - 07/20/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think gambling is a sin, maybe what you use the winings too buy, might be,
Thats easy enough to say, until someone close to you looses the shirt off their back, by a casino who extorted all his cash and could careless about his/her lively hood, anyones elses lively hood thats directly related to this person
before you start spoutin off on some random shit,try reading my post and educate yourself, for you might learn soemthing, like avoiding the pitfalls that exists out their from bad investing and bad advice
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: rod]
#5883295 - 07/21/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would say that if gambling is a sin, then we are sinning a lot. Most of what you do in life is a gamble. Think about it.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5883299 - 07/21/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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but to me sin means God disaproves, the Churches gamble, but it goes back, to the churches.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: rod]
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I shoulda said is gambling bad, instead of implying some religous context into this with the word 'sin'
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
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I would say that if gambling is a sin, then we are sinning a lot. Most of what you do in life is a gamble. Think about it.
true enough, but I'm talking about playing games of chance as a form of entainment with funds or assets,
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5883348 - 07/21/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok, yes gambling is bad, you might as burn your money.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: rod]
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I would say that most of what we do in our lives is playing games of chance as a form of entertainment with funds or assets.
Having said that, what I am trying to get it, is that gambling is certainly not inherently evil, at least the way I see things.
Gambling definitely has the potential to be a rewarding, fun, entertaining, interesting, mindful and profitable activity, and I simply don't see why it would be viewed negatively. Just because people go about it irresponsibly is no reason to denounce the fundamental concepts of the game.
Poker for instance, is simply an enjoyable, complex, wonderful and intriguing game, and I am not really biased, as I rarely play, but do understand the game and have an understanding of how it is played by more skilled players, I just don't have the experience to be good myself, and play very rarely.
Taking money from people is only an issue when you have not realised that money is not yours or theirs in the first place. Money simply is, you do not posess it. And there is no problem in trading it. I see no difference between trading money in a game and trading pride in a game. You are trading assets, and that is fine, it is all part of the game.
If one can learn to enjoy and accept the loss of the game, and the win of the game, then it can be a great experience.
As far as using gambling to make money, I really do not see why not, as long as you are intelligent and do it properly. But this is true for everything.
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Taking money from people is only an issue when you have not realised that money is not yours or theirs in the first place. Money simply is, you do not posess it. And there is no problem in trading it. I see no difference between trading money in a game and trading pride in a game. You are trading assets, and that is fine, it is all part of the game.
your getting really ambivolent with your philosphy here, you can go as far saying what is anything,u can reason as everything as being nothing, which can be dangerous because we can virtually reason out or talk ourselves into any course of action, which I think a lot people do, such as excuses to kill innocent people, or in case cough up there whole life savings, and what you going say Oh well I never possessed that money in the first place, lets stick to the this world instead of getting too abstract to the point where there is no point, at least that pertains to this realm
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
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Ok, I do see what you are saying, and somewhat agree with you, we should be talking within a system. Though I do think ultimately truth lies outside of that system, that is somewhat irrelevant.
But even so, I believe that when I put for instance 10 dollars on a game of poker, I make sure I am not attached to that 10 dollars first, and accept it as the game's money, not mine or the other person's. This seems like a good way of doing it. That way either way I can enjoy the game. Or if I am doing it for the money, then I do that, and accept that I might lose, like the stock markets, or starting a new business.
As long as everyone is mindful and happy there is no inherent problem with gambling, the way I see it.
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to seperate yourself to any emotional attachment to your bankroll and in the way the game played itself, is principle in the game of poker,
but only in line with other principles, such as knowing how to play the game, such as mathimatical odds, reading body language, recognizing playing styles, etc.
and yes I do agree as long as people are being mindful and have an understanding of whats going on, then their shouldn't be any problems,
but the truth of the matter is that casinos exists by preying on peoples compulsive addictions and ignorance towards the games, for most of the games are stacked against the player and towards the house, giving them no chance to win in the long run and making these casino rich in the process, which raises the ethical questions, also alot time and effort is devoted to something that is kind of mindless IMO, and can be very misleading, and counterproductive
the only true games I know of are poker and sports betting, in which the odds can be put in your favor with skill, but these games are still somewhat dangerous if you don't quite understand what your doing
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5883877 - 07/21/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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also casino play is alot more fair than internet play IMO, another factor in poker is reading expressions and body language which you don't get on the internet, also I think internet hands aren't truly as random as hands being dealt from an actual dealer, computer card generation is a bigger difference than one realizes, also how can online casinos be giving out free bonuses if there isn't some type of catch, so many monsters get shot down with even stronger monster hands, theres to much coincidence IMO to call this truly random, and this is the fishy part of how online casinos conduct themselves, you can have the most beautiful hands and get consistently beaten, and seems to happen often in these environments, I just don't trust it,
It's amazing how great the cards are after an initial deposit and when chasing down their bonuses. Like you say, typically bigger monster hands beating smaller monster hands and often on the river. The hard part as a player is actually betting stupidly when your cards are great because you know you will be the guy hitting on the river. The house just loves that rake. You have to bet it to get it is my motto, the house loves the rake and you will be rewarded. It's fun to hit those flushes on the river when the cards are cranked in your favor (after deposits), and a real pain when you don't hit 10 nut flush draws in a row either on the turn or river when the cards are tweaked against you (after you withdraw enough winnings). Then, if you bet it you might as well forget it.
Tournaments are by far the best way to determine how good or bad your percentages are. When you play very tight and wait for cards only to take horrible river beat after beat and and you can only finish 8th out of 10th in a sit and go when last week you had pro winning numbers, you know the cards have been tweaked.
I managed to turn my $ 100 into $ 1100 after being up to $ 1400 at the peak. Three consecutive days of really lousy cards and horrible beats convinced me it was time to quit. I figure I had spent maybe 400 hours online making that $ 1000 so my "wages of sin" were $ 2.50 an hour...
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capliberty
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Yeah I'm pretty good a tournments as well, I won a tournament with a 11 dollar entry fee, and there were 500 people who entered,
I was the short stack on the final table, and pretty much the high stack knocked out all 8 other finalists, but when he came up against me, he ran into a cold streak, and I took him out with one big allin move, I came up 1200 on that tourney
regular casinos are the way to go as far as getting a fair game, they even host better tourneys, as far as losing not being an option, I don't flex one bit but the game sometimes gets weird, so u always have to know when to take your chips, and say peaceout
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5884086 - 07/21/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I once had an almost all in heads up tournament battle for first place and lost that hand and had 176 chips to my opponent's 19,824 chips. I went on to beat him, it was absolutely surreal.
What I meant by losing not being an option is that most people assume they will lose, they expect it, and when it happens they aren't surprised. I expect to win but will accept a pre-defined loss amount rather than keep bashing my head against a losing dealer or day. The real key is dealer selection at the casino and table selection online, and to keep moving around if you don't have a good situation going.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5884666 - 07/21/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whether or not it's a sin, I can't say for sure. What I can say is that one should not feel bad gambling and winning. In a game of poker all contestants are consenting adults who understand the stakes. Being so, what they bet is fair game.
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capliberty
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Redstorm]
#5886247 - 07/22/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The real key is dealer selection at the casino and table selection online, and to keep moving around if you don't have a good situation going.
Is there any mathematical bases behind this, if its truly random, then it shouldn't really matter, If your sensing some real reoccurring patterns between tables, then you might be seeing the nonrandom nature of computer card shuffling, which is why I don't like online play,
although the nature of poker has its bad streaks regardless of environment but to associate that with the dealers action seems illogical, what really determines a bad streak or bad table I think is who is at the table, how good are the players at the table, this is what the key is I think, not the cards themselves,
maybe people are super honed in on mathematical probability beyond what seems direct, now that I recall I've seen some totally fishy and bogus play online, I've had my aces chased down with 2, 3 off suit with nothing matching on the flop, and he calls my all in on the flop, which is pretty gutsy or outright ridiculous I say for having low cards not matching, then he sucks out on two 2's on the turn and river, is there any mathematical justification for this, and this type of action happens repeatedly especially when somebody puts all their money on the table with an all-in move, is this just coincidence, and it seems more times than not they actually bust the person or at least in my case, which when I do it, it hardly ever works
sometimes the play is so absurd, you have to question who's behind all this, its seems to me, just because you laid all your money down on the table this is justification enough to call, because its a clear cut opportunity by the casino to EXTORT your cash with no clear cut proof for you to contend, or is it peoples bankrolls are so enormous that they can practically play any crazy pot odds that are stacked against them because some how they have leverage to zero in on the reoccurring patterns of the system..
and so they're playing the system not the players, I just can't zero in on some of these crazy plays that make no sense, I mean how can someone call an all-in just to check the system whether its OK to call, when the system of cards has shown this has been a low probability shown by past hand sequences and proven by mathematical odds, maybe they're more honed in on it than I am
how many times do you see on previous hands that a 2,3 off suit eventually becomes the best hand after the river when there's no matching pair on the flop, and this guy decides out of the blue to call your All-in with this actual play, are people so rich that they play every single scenario regardless, yes but still, there's no logical basIs behind it, but then again logic has nothing to do with how stupid people play online, its more about pride than winning, and they'll take any absurd opportunity to bust you, but still you'd have to think,is being totally illogical is the logical approach, which seems to be the case with some of these players thinking, altogether you have to look at pot odds and frequency of these suck outs happening, are they matching up or is something illogical occurring within game itself
or does it go back to playing the system, which implying there is a system makes it seem somewhat suspicious, or is there really reoccurring patterns in something thats totally random, I should try to look at the value of pie, how pie in math applies, because pie is suppose to be random representation of a number sequence, which you could study to see if there is any reoccurring patterns, but how can you apply a philosophy thats suppose to be totally unpredictable, maybe math isn't as black/white as it seems from first glance, that its still a prefabrication of human perception, and math is still a flawed representation, even all the way to the fundamental numbering system, because its totally arbitrary how a numbering system can be,
to me it makes sense to assume that online controls can be manipulated and then be used to drain chip stacks with an illogical amount of bad-beats, assuming there are dummie players or affiliates being sparsed through the tables that are doing the cleaning up, who's doing the actual regulating, you must look closer and do the research before trusting your money to an unmonitored establishment, and has no standard enforced upon them, and when the naive players put all their cash credits on this computer animated table with an all-in move, then the online controls senses it, and makes a subroutine to manipulate the outcome, because you don't see an actual dealer distributing cards from actual deck like you do at a regular casino which gives them extra controls to manipulate the game,
Thats why its so essential for me to play at casinos, to totally dismiss any notion of foul play, I can live with myself if I can totally discern it being me, as being the culprit behind bad play, but if the online casinos are doing something, this is where things can get really bad as far as living with myself and my decision making, if I ever explicitly saw proof of their fraudulence I personally would seek out their establishment and C-4 that place, and I might do it kamikaze style if I had to for the great good of everyone, because such action could have huge rippling implications on the economic balance in this world, basically every middle income house hold thats participating in this is getting tricked and the cash flow is getting funneled towards the few greedy rich casino establishments, these few people could be billionaires at the expense of all middle income houses, which is just beyond preposterous to imagine, so much suffering could occur from this,
the only reason why I wouldn't do anything drastic is that its occurred to me that alot of these online players are aware of the implications and fishy play that occurs but still continue on in participating on such fronts, which signifies to me addiction and delusional compulsion which is their own fault, and they deserve no vindication on those basis, so everything does balance out in the long run, but its still sad and the corruption is still not justified, I mean where is the government on this????
Perhaps online casinos try to intensionally pull the wool over your eyes to thinking something is truly fair when its not, some how the online casinos have the game stacked against the player, and this brings up the case in how they can offer free cash bonuses for baiting players into such action, I MEAN LOOK HOW UNREGULATED THE ONLINE ENVIRNONMENT IS ALREADY, AND HOW INNOCUOUS THESE ESTABLISHMENTS TRY TO MAKE THEMSELVES APPEAR WHEN ATTEMPTING TO SEPERATE YOU FROM YOUR CASH,
poker by nature is truly a fair game mathematically, but now I have to regress on mathematical claims in which math is still a faulty system, regardless of its precise technical nature, or is that really true, if its exactly accurate how is it faulty in anyway, when we have used it as a tool to make so much stuff that uses exact accuracy in measurement by mathematical equations that are theorms of truth, they are literal conceptual tools, because its arbitrary doesn't mean its faulty, I'm still not clear on this........... . . . .
to me if its a truly fair game, and you can dismiss any notion of foul play or card manipulation, its about finding the table where u can detect novice action, and take advantage of it, which I find more opportunity in the regular casinos, also you get a sense of who you going up against, your not going up against some online millionaire who's posing as some common lower income player
and here I go again with the shark mentality which seems to be the only way to approach the game, exploiting other peoples inexperience
Edited by capliberty (07/22/06 05:43 AM)
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