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capliberty
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Is gambling a sin
#5879194 - 07/19/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I went to the casino and won 171 playing poker off 1 benjamin
I know the game in and out,
but I feel somewhat guilty outdueling people out of their cash,
my direct success is their direct failure
plus I know the game goes in peeks and valleys, but the key is to minimize your risk and take advantage of those who don't
also I think posting here has helped my skills, so thx everyone
I don't know though, I don't really want to get drawn in, and I think thats why my play is better these days, because I play more for fun rather trying to comeup,
well what do u think..? Is gambling bad, because alot people have suffered financially because they get addicted.
Edited by capliberty (07/19/06 09:22 PM)
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5879231 - 07/19/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I once played poker with an old lady at a casino and I won big time. I felt bad though and refused to accept her money. After that I have always avoided gambling.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Basilides]
#5879397 - 07/19/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The last time mrs rabbit and I went to Reno, we didn't even play the slots. I've always considered gambling to be a tax on people with poor math skills.
But a sin. . . no. That was invented by the church for two reasons. One, the bible says that during jesus's crucifixion people 'cast lots', meaning they gambled for his clothes. Two, any money you lose gambling is money you don't have to give to the church. That's reason enough for them to call it a sin. RR
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RogerRabbit said: One, the bible says that during jesus's crucifixion people 'cast lots', meaning they gambled for his clothes.
To cast lots does not mean to gamble. It means to distribute or assign.
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Two, any money you lose gambling is money you don't have to give to the church. That's reason enough for them to call it a sin. RR
Wow, you just pulled that statement straight out of your ass.
Jesus didn't ask for any donations, period. He didn't even teach in a church.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879651 - 07/19/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does. And casting lots is interpreted by bible scholars as synonomous with rolling dice or flipping coins, etc. RR
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879690 - 07/19/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anything (as a die, pebble, ball, or slip of paper) used in determining a question by chance, or without man's choice or will. to cast lots to draw lots
Even though it is determined by chance, "casting lots" was used in most examples in the Bible not as a form of entertainment, but a way to destribute or make a petition about a decision, used as a lottery or a vote to distribute land, items or make some type of executive decision
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5879736 - 07/19/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just this evening I saw a client who has been totally freaked by her live-in boyfriend of 4 years leaving her to pursue his fantasy of becoming a professional poker player. He has been falling further and further into addiction, spending 8 hours at a time on the computer, lying about the stakes and even sneaking out of bed in the middle of the night to play. I had another client whose father bet their house and lost it!
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RogerRabbit said: lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does.
It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
God doesn't need to be funded by our money, either, but pastors have to eat. A lot of churches do go to the extreme making donations quasi-mandatory to belong, but I see nothing wrong with a donation plate getting passed around. You don't need to go to church to be with God, but if you do, then you support the establishment, and the establishment's servants are human, too.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879924 - 07/20/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can't read the negative message of the story of the Roman centurians who 'threw bones' (rolled dice) to gamble on 'The Robe' of Jesus, at the foot of His cross, then you must be hung up on reading words alone.
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Fospher said: It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
I.e., gambling, the act, specifically is not classified as a sin in the Bible.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5879995 - 07/20/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fospher said:
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RogerRabbit said: lol. Jesus didn't say gambling is a sin. The church does.
It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
God doesn't need to be funded by our money, either, but pastors have to eat. A lot of churches do go to the extreme making donations quasi-mandatory to belong, but I see nothing wrong with a donation plate getting passed around. You don't need to go to church to be with God, but if you do, then you support the establishment, and the establishment's servants are human, too.
The bible multiple times gives examples as to not make donations open to others eyes and that it is a private act and should not be necessary as a public display aka passing a plate around.
Jehovah's witnesses are bogus but the leaders of the organization maybe way up some head chief is secretly taking money but a fairly close relative of myn is the highest up at a kingdom hall and he doesn't make a dime from the religion. He has a decent job and lives an average life.
I am trying to buy a car from a pastor near by and he has about 15 tricked out mustangs and he just a music pasture. Huge house huge car garage tons of cars some with over 450 horse power, super charged cobras and who knows what ell's this guy has that I do not know about.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: mikeownow]
#5880003 - 07/20/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mikeownow said: I am trying to buy a car from a pastor near by and he has about 15 tricked out mustangs and he just a music pasture. Huge house huge car garage tons of cars some with over 450 horse power, super charged cobras and who knows what ell's this guy has that I do not know about.
There's been corruption in the church before Jesus, what's your point?
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: mikeownow]
#5880016 - 07/20/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You just can not trust religion, actually the only trust able religion is the ones that people hate and make fun of, which is what happens through the whole bible coincidentally. In the bible everyone hated Jesus except a minority and everyone hated the minority that liked Jesus etc. If the bible is true why would it be any different today.
I do not belive the bible but I feel that I have a very acurate view of what the bible is all about.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Fospher]
#5881049 - 07/20/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fospher said:
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Fospher said: It is surely discouraged, but the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling.
I.e., gambling, the act, specifically is not classified as a sin in the Bible.
You are obviously just reading words and can't see what the story is showing you. Another case of 'can't see the forest for the trees.'
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: capliberty]
#5881140 - 07/20/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't buying car insurance gambling?
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Diploid]
#5881224 - 07/20/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ned Flanders thinks so about house insurance.
if you feel bad about gambling, don't.
gambling per se isn't too negative in my eyes, but if you look at the casino environments, people will have their souls drained, their brains zombified, and their wallets empty just so they can get a fleeting thrill of some buzzers going off.
few people regularly make profits, many lose, some suffer from it as addicts, some have fun, many feel neutral, some feel disappointed.
on the whole the gambling industry induces suffering though. so you are indirectly / directly (?) contributing to it by partaking in it.
what I WOULD feel bad about is poker, becuase yes you are cheating people out of their money by kind of being a bully..... you ought to play blackjack or roullette instead i say.
conceivably this karma is consentual and therefore not particuarly heavy, as the same can happen to you in the game of poker, but still, a lot of suffering can come up from playing a game against real people, and being beaten savagely, than say, playing against a dealer or a machine.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Diploid]
#5881233 - 07/20/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid , I think you have something there... To make it so insurance is not a legal requirement lol.
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Re: Is gambling a sin [Re: Basilides]
#5881431 - 07/20/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Basilides said: I once played poker with an old lady at a casino and I won big time. I felt bad though and refused to accept her money. After that I have always avoided gambling.
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Your grandma would be proud of you but I would suggest you never gamble again. A real gambler would never ever give back money to someone who lost it to them. Noble don't pay the bills.
I am fortunate to be able to compete at the blackjack table enough to pretty much win a few bucks and tip the dealers while getting shitfaced. I can play for hours with a loose count and I know when to stand up and take a walk when I get ahead. Maybe grab a bite to eat on the house's money and then play again later.
Winning takes far more discipline than losing and most people would rather lose and cry than win and feel good. I am not sure why that is other than they love to cry and piss and moan about their "bad luck" (lack of any kind of skills) and make their lives miserable. Then to become addicted to that loser action and negatively impact their family and friend's lives just plain shows a lack of good judgement in addition to no skills.
When you gamble, you need losing limits and winning limits for each and every session. For blackjack you need to know and rigidly adhere to basic strategy and know how to count cards and use that to your advantage because that is the only edge you will get. There is no other. Still, good money management and leaving when ahead is so critical not only to one's bank account but mental feelgood account that there really is no substitute. How many people at the casino leave a winner? 10%? Maybe?
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