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AcidHorse
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Micro-Sclerotia...NOT!
#5879138 - 07/19/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah
 BTW sclerotia are supposed to be subterranean. When I dug them out of the ground they had a translucent tan rubber cement consistency and they were very large. It seems the conidial stage is triggered by high temps 80+ °F, at lower moisture levels but this may not be necessary; high humidity may also produce it. Strong ammonia odor. A woodsy smell also is present which is almost a rusty Morel smell. I have noticed the chicken pox pattern of growth on wood chips; dark tannish grey colored knotted mycelia : "dust bunnies"; some of the color somewhat goes towards a dark cream but only in areas where high moisture is visible. Dense mycelia is growing downwards toward the nutrient reserve. Could this be growing right now in the sweltering hot summer in the woods under leaves? The little drawings at the bottom are what I saw under a microscope, so I've analyzed it, the asexual spores are seedy not oval like the ascospores. And much smaller than the ascospores; a fraction of the size. Since I don't have a digital camera, I looked for these typical photos which some people have posted of a Black morel's conidial stage but they misidentified it as micro-sclerotia. I altered the color balance so it was more grey like the ones in my jars, fortunately they are identically the same in morphology and growth pattern, yet colors are different. Blacks -> yellowish conidial growth Esculenta -> light-greyish to dark greyish to cream conidial growth When I get a digital camera I make a point of getting some pics of the ones I have grown. Yet this is a good representation of what I see
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Edited by AcidHorse (07/19/06 09:01 PM)
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AcidHorse
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#6333890 - 12/04/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually high temps is not necessary. It might however be caused by high amounts of nitrogen, dryness, and most definitely growing on wood mulch.
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#6334029 - 12/04/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by AcidHorse (12/04/06 07:18 PM)
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#6337929 - 12/05/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was reading about this in the patents and the part about clusters might be what I have. If it is C. cristata or not, its damn close. Reason I'm bringing this up is because I asked this Austrian guy who wrote a thesis about tubers and C. cristata and he said that from what he remembered its more "effuse" than "nodulose", however talking with Tom Volk, Volk says that what I have could very well be C. cristata yet a positive ID on it would require microscopic examination. Yet in the patent it says "non-coalesced clusters", and on the contrary even though these form in clusters, nodulose, and speckled they ;by my own observation, do coalesce over time because the number of them increases and they grow tightly together until it is one mass. However what the patent describes could be the patent owner's way of leading astray or away without mentioning what those are exactly. Seems like this method parallels the first patent's description and is exactly the same i.e. nitrogen sources: urea. Might have been exactly what was used in the first patent without mentioning it by name.
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#6848972 - 04/29/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can induce conidia of morels. It is true. anyone If you are interest in this, please contact with me
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: morelcn]
#6849404 - 04/29/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the benefit of doing that morelcn? I don't know too much about conidia, so I'm all ears (or eyes...) JD
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#6855123 - 04/30/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well it does have some importance. One, Gary Mills reports it occurring during the cultivation of morels. Two, it has hardly been described or photographed, and not knowing what it looks like could easily throw one off if they are cautious about contaminates. And when I say photographed I do not mean microscopically.
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Edited by AcidHorse (04/30/07 08:30 PM)
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: morelcn]
#6855250 - 04/30/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sure if you have photograph of the conidia.
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#8293779 - 04/16/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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As for the "crap" info in this thread, well I'm certain now that they were possible sclerotia growing and not conidia. Its a damn shame, but now knowing that these growths were not conidial growth only means that I have found something out. If only I had done back then what I know now. But even if you figure these clues out, it just guarantees sclerotia, not the fruitbody there is still more after the production of sclerotia that must be done.
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Edited by AcidHorse (04/16/08 09:26 PM)
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: AcidHorse]
#8295188 - 04/17/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's micro sclerotia in this photograph. You must be working with a black variety of Morel.
Edited by Hotnuts (04/17/08 07:44 AM)
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Re: Micro-Sclerotia...NOT! [Re: Hotnuts]
#8298699 - 04/17/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats the aggregates I get when I try to grow sclerotia..
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