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JonnyDeformed
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Truely pathetic..
#5878701 - 07/19/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And here i was getting my hopes up after a half decent pinset. They're wimpy. I'd expect this off of brf maybe but bird seed... whats going on?

Since the one on the left is nearing maturity, would that single shroom be classed as the first flush?
Substrate is Finch seed at 1.5" depth cased 50/50 moss/verm, I Followed Hyphae's pinning strategy with reasonable results. My guess is it produced too many pins at once leaving little moisture for the maturing fruits (cheers hyphae). I Didn't dunk my casing. Kept humidity up in the 90's with a fogger and perlite. Temp never drops below 70F. Conditions are optimum.
Why are they so weenie?
Is Finch seed a bad choice of substrate?
I know people are going to say i should of spawned to hpoo but my poo ain't ready yet. It's still a bit wiffy.
Hopefully the rest of the pins will put the first to shame and be monster fruits though I'm Not counting on it.
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trauma47645
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that pin set doesnt look to shabby.. you just have an uneven maturation rate.. which is fine
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JonnyDeformed
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but the maturing shroom on the left is wimpy.. if all of them turn out that way I'll be most disappointed..
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Then spawn to manure next time and use a bigger tray with a deeper substrate. You can't expect more than that from an inch and a half of plain bird seed in a breadpan. Nothing wrong with that pinset either. When you see pins covering every square inch of the surface, and they all mature into large, healthy fruits, it's from using proper technique WITH a proved strain. It would be very rare indeed to get what you're looking for with a thin layer of cased bird seed and multispore inoculation in a small pan. Just pick the fruits as they mature. No, the one mature one is not your whole first flush. They rarely all mature at the exact same time. RR
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Swan Song
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better luck on flush no. 2
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mikeownow
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Re: Truely pathetic.. [Re: Swan Song]
#5878776 - 07/19/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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you will probably get over a half ounce.
1 quart of rye berries cased with 1/8 caseing layer packed =X accident first caseing.


This turned into over a half ounce.
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Edited by mikeownow (07/19/06 07:02 PM)
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hyphae
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Quote:
JonnyDeformed said: And here i was getting my hopes up after a half decent pinset. They're wimpy. I'd expect this off of brf maybe but bird seed... whats going on?

Since the one on the left is nearing maturity, would that single shroom be classed as the first flush?
Substrate is Finch seed at 1.5" depth cased 50/50 moss/verm, I Followed Hyphae's pinning strategy with reasonable results. My guess is it produced too many pins at once leaving little moisture for the maturing fruits (cheers hyphae). I Didn't dunk my casing. Kept humidity up in the 90's with a fogger and perlite. Temp never drops below 70F. Conditions are optimum.
Why are they so weenie?
Is Finch seed a bad choice of substrate?
I know people are going to say i should of spawned to hpoo but my poo ain't ready yet. It's still a bit wiffy.
Hopefully the rest of the pins will put the first to shame and be monster fruits though I'm Not counting on it.
I'm gonna clue ya in bro pinset is only part of the equation for high yields. That lone shroom is not considered a true flush it was just an early pinner it did indeed rob your true first flush of the energy/priority needed. I'll say it again as cute as they are pick those early volunteers you won't be sorry and you will have learned a very important lesson in mycology. Now pick that one as well as those few others that are ahead of the rest and mist that casing to near saturation and have some patience and don't forget the pinset is but a small part you need to be a knowledgeable parent and raise them properly. GL and may the force be with you!
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Re: Truely pathetic.. [Re: hyphae]
#5878880 - 07/19/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're definitely jumping the gun here. That's a perfectly decent pinset.
Keep them moist, keep the RH up and give it plenty of FAE. I think you'll be happy with the results.
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shallow sub, shallow shrooms
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Re: Truely pathetic.. [Re: hyphae]
#5878999 - 07/19/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think i could of worded things better. I'm very pleased with the pinset, who wouldn't be. The disappointment is with the mature one. But as RR said its to be expected with a none proven strain. That why the mail man is bringing me some petri dishes any day now.
All i can do now is wait and keep them moist i suppose. Cheers everyone
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Edited by JonnyDeformed (07/19/06 08:26 PM)
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hyphae
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As with cakes shrooms will be on the small side but you can definitely get some nice fruits here. Look at my pinning strategy that was just 2 half pints no more than an inch (depth) substrate from a multispore so heres your chance to really pick up some valuable learning that will reward you over and over again. Again GL bro
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creamcorn
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mushrooms = 90% moisture. you know that i hope.
finch seed alone = does not hold much moisture.
a finch seed cake, i assume also includes vermiculite = holds more moisture... might explain why you got better results.
when working with wbs obviously the optimal is spawning to a bulk sub that's capable of that moisture retention (in addition to the additional nutrition it brings). perhaps if you should try a plain wbs tray again in the future, cutting it with some verm so that it holds additional moisture and you might see better results.
keeping your casing layer at near saturation now is the best you can do, and the most you can do at this point, because much moisture can still be drawn from there. i dont know how good of a job your fogger does but you might want to suppliment with frequent light misting to keep the moisture up.
even the best of the best strain isolates will grow small if they're thirsty.
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