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mushiemountain
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Getting Into Spinning
#5877786 - 07/19/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i made a post a while back about getting into making some trance and was recommended fruity loops. i have been messing around on that for a while, but someone mentioned that i should get traktor 3.0 if i want to get into spinning.
i am basically asking what would be a good start to get into spinning. i would like to get into spinning some goa or psytrance. i don't really have much knowledge at all with being a DJ. it seems very expensive to get into though.
can anyone point me in the right direction?
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ilus
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Well, first, obviously you have to figure out your equipment situation. You got generally 3 options - in order of cost effectiveness.
1 Laptop + software (+speakers) 2 Digital - CD turntables (+speakers, mixer, amp) 3 Vinyl Turntables (+speakers, mixer, amp)
Now, if you start with a laptop & software, all you really need is mp3's, a laptop, and a program like traktor or abelton live. I personally havn't messed around with any of this yet, but it seems like a good way to start and learn.
CD turntables still have a high startup cost, but you don't have to buy vinyl - which saves TONS of money. Most DJ's I know are starting to move over to digital anyways - and almost everyone we setup for at a show requires CDJ's now.
Vinyl turntables - would be my preferred way to go, along with probably 90% of anyone you ask. It will be the most expensive, but is still the standard in DJing. Usually a setup will consist of 2 turntables (technic1200 is the standard), a mixer between them, sometimes an amp, and your speakers. After that you have the infinate task of trying to find new vinyl... starting your collection, and getting hard to find and old stuff. It can be very expensive but is incredibly fun and well worth it in the end.
After you figure out which way you want to go - you basically just have 2 records - and you have to beatmatch them and mix them. It can be fustrating and takes time to learn. Its one of those things you'll sit up all night messing around with. Plenty of sites that show you how to mix out there.
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Now, if your trying to PRODUCE music like you said above - I suggest picking up a copy of Fruity Loops, and looking for some tutorials online just as you were recommended before. Just keep messing around with it untill you get the feel of it. Take the tutorials that are IN fruity loops aswell, they're pretty good.
Any more Q's don't hesitate to ask!
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Re: Getting Into Spinning [Re: ilus]
#5878556 - 07/19/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thank you very much for your reply.
i am kind of confused about all the options i have. what is the difference between producing and spinning? can you give an example of an artist who spins and an artist who produces? simon posford...does he produce, or spin? what about the greats like tiesto and PVD?
for now i think i would just like to use my computer and a software to start off. i was told traktor or ableton is good, but traktor 3.0 would be a better start. after i become familiar with the software i would like to invest in some turntables and a mixer and start on that.
when people are spinning records, are they playing other people's music, but just mixing them or something? i don't really get the whole spinning thing and how people make the music.
what would you suggest if i want to get into making some goa or psytrance? i would also like to make some house or trance as well.
thanks again.
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Osker246
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"spinning" is the term used for Dj'in. Ya know since a turntable spins while it plays...
Producers usually make their own music through sequencer software such as fruity loops, reason 3.0, cubase SX, Logic and ableton. They either use Softsynths (synthesizers in the form of software) or Hardware (actual keyboard synthesizers like the nord lead 3 or roland JP-8000).
Dj's usually mix other artist songs for a crowd of people. But that doesnt mean they dont produce. Artist such as Armin Van Buuren, Infected Mushroom or Dj Tiesto produce and Dj. Well...not so much Tiesto...he hasnt actually made a track for a long time now. He just buys the song from some other artist and slaps his name on the track now.
When ya first start out Dj'in you really have to decide what methods you would like to use. I personal find using Vinyl and CDs to be better than Software. With Vinyl/CDs you are actually able to learn the fundamentals such as beatmatching and manipulating your tracks. With software you just push a button and it automaticly beatmatches for you.
Software does have its plus though. Artist such as Sasha use ableton live to layer multiple songs which creates there own sound. This can still be done with CDs/Vinyl it just takes a hell of alot more practice.
As a vinyl junkie i'll tell you going the vinyl path is probably the most expensive. Getting 2 technics sl-1200 MK5 decks is going to cost you about 1 grand. Then you also have to buy records that can range anywhere from $3-20. Even then records usually only hold a few songs.
I'm actually making a transition into CDs. I bought a pair of Pioneer CDJ-1000 MK2's for mixing Psytrance. Each player cost me about $800 but the new model just came out so its a bit more expensive. But in the long run its cheaper. All you have to do is download MP3's and burn em to CD's.
I actually cant type much more since im on a schedual. But if I were you id start out with some CD's. Since alot of good psytrance is hard to find on vinyl it would be alot easier with CDs. I'll check back later if you have any more questions.
Edited by Osker246 (07/19/06 09:19 PM)
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Re: Getting Into Spinning [Re: Osker246]
#5881331 - 07/20/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for that info.
i would just like to start out the most inexpensive way, so i guess that would be the software route, which would be producing the music (correct?). i don't have the money right now to spend a grand on this stuff. what software do you suggest i start off on? a friend recommended that i start off on traktor 3.0 and then move to albeton.
probably around x-mas time is when i will have the money to get into the spinning part. i think when i do get into it, i will probably not make the transition from vinyl to CD and instead just start off on the CDJs. can you elaborate a little more on these CDJ? i don't really get how you would spin a little CD.
also does anyone have ableton or traktor 3.0 software that they can send me?
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Since Traktor is a mixing program, you can mix as well as produce if you go the software route. Although I have never tried either, I would definitely learn to mix before I learned to produce. It would give you time to learn more about song structures and such.
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If your wanting to mix tracktor would be your best bet. But its strictly a mixing program you are not able to produce with it. You can even find cracked copies online. I actually think I got it on CD. If you want it let me know.
But CD's pretty much work the same way as vinyl. Im gonna talk about the pioneer CDJ 1000s since those are pretty much industry standards in night clubs. But other models work in a similar fashion.
You have the pitch adjusters to the bottom right which controlls the speed of the track (just like regular turntables have). You can make it play really slow or super fast depending on the adjustment you have it at.
In the middle of the console is called the "jog wheel". Spinning the jog wheel will either slow down the track or speed it up depending on the direction you spin it. That is used to help keep give your tracks a little speed incase its falling behind or is to far ahead.
When you touch the top of the jog wheel it will stop the track from playing. Think of it as vinyl, you stop a record from spinning its gonna stop playing music. Its kinda the same principle.

But the models id recommend looking into are:
Pioneer CDj 1000s Pioneer CDj 800s Pioneer CDj 200 or Technics Sl-dz 1200s (This model has a spining platter)
Out of those though the best ones for you would probably be the CDJ 200's. They really dont have the ability to scratch but work great for mixing. They run about $290 brand new at pretty much every store.
I just want to let you know there is a HUGE difference between software and CDs/Vinyl. With CDS/vinyl its truely an art. Its like learning how to play an instrument. Not everybody will learn at the same pace. So if you do ever venture into that area dont get discouraged to fast because your not getting it. Hell it took me about 2 months of long practice just to get the hang of it. Software anybody can pretty much use; I tend to find it pretty boring. So if you dont like software dont automaticly assume you wont like using CDs/vinyl its totaly different.
Also check out www.djforums.com. Great community of Djs (I post there too) who are willing to help each other out with questions and also have usefull tutorials for gettting started.
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Re: Getting Into Spinning [Re: Osker246]
#5883575 - 07/21/06 02:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks very much man.
so i have the options to either mix, spin, or produce?
what do you suggest i get into first? i was thinking of starting off on traktor, learning to mix, and then switch to ableton to produce and mix as well. then i think i will invest in the CDJ 200...or would the CDJ 800 be better, since you said the 200's don't have the ability to scratch?
once again, thank you.
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You have the ability to do anything you want. If ya want to get into producing then go for it. Infact alot of artist start out as Djs and then move to producing.
Oh yea Mixing and spinning are the same thing. 
The CDJ 1000's and 800's are more expensive but are better then the 200's. They have the ability to scratch for those wanting to do turntablism. If ya have the money go for the more expensive stuff. Because when you get into pro audio gear you really get what you pay for. But if your on a budget the CDJ 200's will be fine to start out on. You might just find yourself upgrading your equipment though.
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Re: Getting Into Spinning [Re: Osker246]
#5884282 - 07/21/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i was kind of thinking mixing and spinning were the same thing, but i wasn't too sure.
do you think you could send me the traktor program?
thanks a ton.
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Osker246
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Check this video out.
You can do some pretty crazy shit now days with CDs. This is why I say if you ever want to consider scratching buy some high quality decks. Cheaper CD players claim to have scratch function but they sound no where near as good.
Incase you didnt catch on this would be considered turntablism. He's also using an effects unit but his skills are still quite impressive.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3351563979012716396&q=james+zabiela
I can send ya the program no problem. Ya know how to get ahold of me now. It probably wont be till around after the weekend though im going to be busy the next couple days.
Edited by Osker246 (07/22/06 12:16 AM)
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Re: Getting Into Spinning [Re: Osker246]
#5886518 - 07/22/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think i am going to invest in a pair of the pioneer cdj 800. but that won't be until later, around x-mas time. thank you for your help man.
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