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DNKYD
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5877692 - 07/19/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: But if you cure diseases then your buddies who own Big Pharm companies don't get assloads of cash for "treating" them! He's just trying to be nice to his friends, guys, give him a chance....
Thats stupid. Who do you think stands to make a shitload of money from creating vaccines and gene therapy? Dont for a second think that the Pharmaceutical companies are against stem-cell research. Its a pot of fucking gold to them.
So you buy it that Bush's veto is for "religious purposes"? If Big Pharm wanted this bill passed they would have no problem convincing Bush to let it go through rather than veto it. Bush has no need to appease his half-wit-religite voter base and so has no need to veto this bill.
Think about it. Bob has a disease. Lets say the cure costs $5000. But Big Pharm doesn't want the cure because it would rather have a treatment that their customer must take X amount of times a day/week/month/year. So Bob needs a treatment every month that costs about $200. So lets see.... $200 X 12 months X 5 years = $12,0000. Makes much more sense.
And when your cure diseases and let people stick around for longer you're just adding to the problem of overpopulation.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: goobler]
#5877718 - 07/19/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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KingOftheThing said: yeah there are mostly repubs voting against it. they are such out of touch douches. midterm elections, the dems will sweep as long as we can actually get a fair vote. which who knows with all the voting shenanigans they've been doing.
you need to a different world, because you are so far out of touch with this one
it is so ironic you are a car salesman
sorry goobs polls show its something like 70-75% of the public supports this, bush the religous conservatives are an out of touch minority
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5877724 - 07/19/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought 90% of our current elected officials were an out-of-touch minority? They don't represent us any more. They only serve to keep themselves in power.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5877734 - 07/19/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't you know that Jesus came here to save all the embryos?
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: DNKYD]
#5877743 - 07/19/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What DNKYD says is true. The money is in the mitigation, not the cure.
Big pharm has enough common sense to not kill their Golden Goose. But economic self-interest at any cost is the soul of capitalism. Capitalism works but it is, essentially, an appeal to greed.
So why should anyone be surprised when corporations do precisely that?
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5877744 - 07/19/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes i know that. also i know in the bible it cleary states we shouldnt harvest stem cells for research. its the new new testament, you will find the passage in bush 3:12
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5877746 - 07/19/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So much knowledge which mankind is never ready for..
Mankind will inevitably destroy itself with knowledge.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5877763 - 07/19/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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KingOftheThing said: even though its obvious the majority of this country supports stem cell research. bush is going to bow to the jesus freaks and use his veto. this is a step back for science.... i hope he gets all the diseases stem cell research could cure all at once and suffers like crazy http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060719/ap_o...DMzBHNlYwM3MDM-
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5877765 - 07/19/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: Mankind will inevitably destroy itself with knowledge.
I personally hold to the belief that mankind will destroy itself with stupidity.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5877779 - 07/19/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix writes: "Mankind will inevitably destroy itself with knowledge. "
While I understand what you're trying to say, I think what we're suffering from right now is industrial-sized amounts of ignorance.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5877796 - 07/19/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't understand the fuss. The US government already funds stem cell research... with more dollars than any other country in the world. The US government does not prohibit embryonic stem cell research by anyone who wants to give it a shot -- they just won't (if Bush vetos the bill) increase federal funding for it. In actual fact, the federal government shouldn't be funding ANY research. That's not its job.
To me the only thing noteworthy about this veto is that it is Bush's first. This spending bill should be vetoed, true, but so should several dozen others have been vetoed in the last five years.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5877822 - 07/19/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: Mankind will inevitably destroy itself with knowledge.
I personally hold to the belief that mankind will destroy itself with stupidity.
true, but it's the knowledge that will give the stupidity its bite.
Mankind isn't smart enough for the knowledge they possess.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Phred]
#5877909 - 07/19/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: In actual fact, the federal government shouldn't be funding ANY research. That's not its job.
You think so? May I ask why?
The government has in the past funded lots of very important basic research. Private groups are less keen on putting money into basic research, since the chance and nature of the payoff is unknown they tend to be apprehensive of it.
The way I've heard that things work well is that the government will do basic research that private research might not have wanted to do, and then private research can use the basic research results and build/expand upon it once there's a stable foundation for profitable endeavor.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5878081 - 07/19/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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if bush were to support stem-cell research, he would further alienate the christian right - the same people that got him into office in the first place. he's following Rove's political strategy.
yes, the bush administration sucks.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Konnrade]
#5878088 - 07/19/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: In actual fact, the federal government shouldn't be funding ANY research. That's not its job.
You think so? May I ask why?
The government has in the past funded lots of very important basic research. Private groups are less keen on putting money into basic research, since the chance and nature of the payoff is unknown they tend to be apprehensive of it.
The way I've heard that things work well is that the government will do basic research that private research might not have wanted to do, and then private research can use the basic research results and build/expand upon it once there's a stable foundation for profitable endeavor.
if not for government research and development, we probably wouldnt be arguing on the internet.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: KingOftheThing]
#5878104 - 07/19/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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KingOftheThing said: yeah there are mostly repubs voting against it. they are such out of touch douches. midterm elections, the dems will sweep as long as we can actually get a fair vote. which who knows with all the voting shenanigans they've been doing.
you need to a different world, because you are so far out of touch with this one
it is so ironic you are a car salesman
sorry goobs polls show its something like 70-75% of the public supports this, bush the religous conservatives are an out of touch minority
no, I meant bush isnt behind this, just like the pres isnt behind much...big biz controls the puppets, that where you need to concentrate your pressure
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Konnrade]
#5878105 - 07/19/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Konnrade said: You think so? May I ask why?
It's libertarianism. Don't bother trying to make sense of it. I wasted a couple years of my life doing exactly that.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5878126 - 07/19/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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every time someone has a period.... you kill a baby.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: Silversoul]
#5878141 - 07/19/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, for all of you who seem to think that not allowing embryonic stem cell research will set science back, please allow me to open your eyes to a few things.
1) Embryonic stem cell research has cured precisely dick.
2) Embryonic stem cell research is not only years behind adult stem cell research, it is years away from producing any results other than teratomas in mice. Embryonic stem cell research not only has not produced anything remotely usable in mice, many of the "treatments" that have been tried thus far shouldn't be allowed anywhere near humans, ever. Think I'm making it up? Allow me to refer you to a case where embryonic stem cells were injected into Parkinson's patients, resulting in permanent twitches along the lines of severe Tourette's disorder.
3) Adult stem cell research has cured or successfully treated to date: ...Rebuilding cirrhosis racked livers ...Repairing spinal chord injuries helping several people walk again ...Completely reversing type 1 diabetes in mice ...Putting lupus into remission ...Repairing damage from heart attacks and congenital heart problems
And that's just to name a few.
Before you go off ranting about stem-cell research, please bear in mind that it is a lot easier to demonize someone who disagrees with you, rather than looking at the facts. While I may personally think that we should allow science to better itself, I don't think that anyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot.
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Re: derr i'm bush i love jesus, gonna veto stem cell bill derrrrr [Re: mikeownow]
#5878152 - 07/19/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mikeownow said: every time someone has a period.... you kill a baby.
Same thing when you masturbate or use a condom
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