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Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative?
    #5876473 - 07/19/06 03:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do have bubbler inside my FC, but I still fan 2 times a day, worried that the bubbler isn't enough. Anyway, I think it's a little bit of a pain in the ass when I have everything else self automated, so do you all think IYE that a fan, blowing at a big polyfil covered hole in my FC, would be enough FAE to just let it be?

Has anyone had success with not fanning on a double fish tank bubbler? I only have a single one but I could easily upgrade for another $20.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876496 - 07/19/06 04:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i just use a single and it works fine for me. good luck


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: royer]
    #5876497 - 07/19/06 04:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No fanning at all? Do you put your bubbler in a glass of h202/h20 solution?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876505 - 07/19/06 04:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How big is your FC? That is the critical piece of info that you didn't post. Also how much air does your pump put out?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5876542 - 07/19/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i do put it in h202/h20 solution


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5876565 - 07/19/06 04:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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How big is your FC?  That is the critical piece of info that you didn't post.  Also how much air does your pump put out?


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Its about 2 feet long, 1.5 feet wide, and about 14 inches high.
I'm not sure how to describe the air output, but its a slick black air pump found at walmart, I've seen a lot of people on the shroomery have them. There's one that has two pumps and one that has one, and I have the one with one. When put in my mouth, it takes about 2.5 seconds to fill up my cheeks, if that helps :wink:

I'm thinking about just giving this to someone with a fish tank and then buying a double one, just to be sure. One tube be go across the top of my giant single tub in the terrarium and the other would go in the h202 water solution.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876571 - 07/19/06 04:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When put in my mouth, it takes about 2.5 seconds to fill up my cheeks, if that helps :wink:




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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #5876576 - 07/19/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Haha wow i didn't realise how gross that sounded.
Answers though?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876595 - 07/19/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

one of my fc is that size and i use a single pump without fanning. you should be fine.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876632 - 07/19/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Its about 2 feet long, 1.5 feet wide, and about 14 inches high.

So that's 3.5 cubic feet.

The cheapest aquarium pumps do anywhere from 850-1500 cc/min, most are at least 1000 cc/min.

That's about 0.035 feet^3/min or 2.12 feet^3/hour. That works out to 3.5 feet^3 per 99 minutes.

So your getting an air exchange about every hour and 40 minutes. I'd say that's plenty.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5876647 - 07/19/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I use these as FC, fanning is as simple as taking the top off.  Pretty small scale project tho.  Even for me, I'm moving onto bigger and better things.  I got my WBS colonizing  :cool:





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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5876696 - 07/19/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> Its about 2 feet long, 1.5 feet wide, and about 14 inches high.

So that's 3.5 cubic feet.

The cheapest aquarium pumps do anywhere from 850-1500 cc/min, most are at least 1000 cc/min.

That's about 0.035 feet^3/min or 2.12 feet^3/hour.  That works out to 3.5 feet^3 per 99 minutes.

So your getting an air exchange about every hour and 40 minutes.  I'd say that's plenty.


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Wow. You're a knowledgable guy. Thanks for figuring that out for me.
5 shrooms for you  :smirk:

EDIT: Nvm I already gave you a 5 rating before, someone send a five his way?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5877049 - 07/19/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You can just leave the lid crooked a bit for constant air exchange.
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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5877380 - 07/19/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When put in my mouth, it takes about 2.5 seconds to fill up my cheeks, if that helps :wink:

We should ad that to the glossary S.T.F.C.  Seconds to fill cheeks.  Maybe it'll become a standard measurment nomenclature :grin:


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: pfgdude]
    #5877430 - 07/19/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> S.T.F.C. Seconds to fill cheeks. Maybe it'll become a standard measurment nomenclature

It's right up there with "hog heads to the rod" and "inches of mushroom extract".


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5878117 - 07/19/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

beatnicknick writes:
"When put in my mouth, it takes about 2.5 seconds to fill up my cheeks, if that helps"

Yes, but how much material will the pump displace if you submerge it into a vat of vaseline?

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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5878161 - 07/19/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> Its about 2 feet long, 1.5 feet wide, and about 14 inches high.

So that's 3.5 cubic feet.
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isn't it 4.8 cubic feet?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5878473 - 07/19/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

(2 ft) x (1.5 ft) x (14 in) = 3.5 cubic feet

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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: splifner180]
    #5878557 - 07/19/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The math in inches which makes it easier.

24 X 18 X 14 = 6048

6048 / 144 = 42

42 / 12 = 3.5

Or, in feet as expressed:

2 X 1.5 = 3

14" is 1 foot, plus .166666666 therefore,

3 X 1.166666666 = 3.499999998 cubic feet.

One of these days, all the old farts who think the metric system is too hard to understand will all die off, and we can finally have a system of measurements that actually make sense.
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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5878668 - 07/19/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, it's 3.5 cubic feet. If you really want the math lesson I will give it to you.

Edit: This wasn't to you RR, our posts crossed. But LOL, when I saw 3.49 though I thought "Damn RR, your math is as weak as your syringes!" JK, but I thought is was so funny I had to post it.

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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5880340 - 07/20/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I use a tetra whisper air pump. I got for 15 bucks. It's for a 30-60 gallon tank and has 2 outputs. My FC is about 20x16x and 14 inches high.
At the bottom on each side about 1 1/2 inches high i put a small hole and stuck 2 blue air stones on the inside with the port for the tube sticking out. the stones are about the size of crayola marker cap, the fat ones. then just connected the tubes on each side. and i got 6 holes, 3/8 inch on the front and back sides and 2 at the top filled with polyfill for exhaust. i'm sure i don't need to fan. But i still have to open it here and there to mist and/or water the layer of perlite. I think that once the casing which is what i'm useing gets covered with MYC it's not as prone to contams. But i also use peroxide ,in the water, and i allways spray around the area, around the pump, and in my room in general day to day with lysol. and just do my work fast with smarts. But everybody's setup is a little different. But good luck.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5880595 - 07/20/06 07:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: unseenat17]
    #5880941 - 07/20/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

stupid ft, and inches. I didn't convert it back after i calculated.

(inserts foot) and thanks fred but i don't need a math lesson. Im college educated, i just made a mistake.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5883377 - 07/21/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> (inserts foot) and thanks fred but i don't need a math lesson. Im college educated, i just made a mistake.

Understandable. I hate the english system too. I just hope your degree isn't in civil engineering.

I'm horrible at calculus, so don't feel bad.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5886711 - 07/22/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is great, I’ve been waiting for such a topic.
Well so far most of the options have been rather active. Why not set up a passive filter where you line the walls of the FC with a o2/co2 permeable membrane. That way it’s as if the FC isn’t even there while not loosing moisture or gaining contams from the air. I tried looking for relevant information online and found it.





Although I couldn’t find a co2 chart I’d expect co2 to behave like o2. As can be seen LDPE is the best choice followed by HDPE. A source of HDPE are those walmart bags that have been filling up your trashcans and the better LDPE comes as the new “saran wrap premium”. If this is correct I plain on cutting vertical slits in a large Tupperware container and covering them with LDPE and tape so the heaver co2 can drain out and draw in fresh o2 with no lose of humidity.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fishsoup1]
    #5886769 - 07/22/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

500 cc per 24 hours over a 100 square inch area isn't going to be enough.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5889596 - 07/23/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That may be true, but those numbers are for material 1 millimeter thick. Store bought saran wrap is 0.05 mm thick. Thats a 20th the thickness and should provide less of a barrier to both gasses and, unfortunately, moisture as well. If this was all combined with an aquarium air pump to force new air in and old air through the barrier then given enough surface area, its hard for me to see a problem with this method. Of course if this is false I'd rather see it fail in theory than with a monetary investment.


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fishsoup1]
    #5889651 - 07/23/06 02:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. I didn't know that.

If you are using an air pump though, what would be the point? Maybe trying to ouse the saran wrap as a filter?

You'd have to have an airtight FC then to use it that way. But the investment of one roll of saran wrap doesn't seem that big to me, so why not try it?


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Re: Getting a little tired of fanning- alternative? [Re: fastfred]
    #5889665 - 07/23/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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But the investment of one roll of saran wrap doesn't seem that big to me, so why not try it?


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