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Britain bakes as global warming kicks in
    #5876153 - 07/19/06 02:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

With 5 large companies spewing out more pollution than every car in the country it looks like here's another thing we have to thank the capitalists for  :rolleyes:

Think before you enjoy it. The near-record temperatures expected today are a sign of things to come, and will become commoner and hotter in future years as man-made global warming takes hold, scientists predict.

With the mercury expected to approach 100F (37.8C) for only the second time in Britain's history - but also the second time in under three years - researchers said the unusual heat was entirely consistent with predictions of climate change caused by rising emissions of greenhouses gases, such as carbon dioxide (CO2) from power stations, motor transport and, increasingly, aircraft.


http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1185369.ece


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5876991 - 07/19/06 10:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I lived in England for a year, and the Brits have to be some of the biggest crybabies about "the heat" I have ever seen. Oddly, they refuse to take off their "woolies" and the six other layer of clothes they wear while whining...


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5877163 - 07/19/06 12:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Speaking as a Canadian that spends 7 months of the year burried up to my nuts in snow...I have no problem with global warming. :wink:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Rono]
    #5877175 - 07/19/06 12:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Speaking as a Canadian that spends 7 months of the year burried up to my nuts in snow...I have no problem with global warming. :wink:



I've actually thought about how Canada is probably going to be the biggest benefactor of global warming.  I may want to invest in Canadian agriculture.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5877224 - 07/19/06 12:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I lived in England for a year, and the Brits have to be some of the biggest crybabies about "the heat" I have ever seen. Oddly, they refuse to take off their "woolies" and the six other layer of clothes they wear while whining...




Yeah but we arn't lizards so we don't mind a little cooler weather.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Rono]
    #5877267 - 07/19/06 01:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yall can grow a lot more of that kick ass BC BUD!


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5877276 - 07/19/06 01:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

how is it the fault of the capitalists?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5877304 - 07/19/06 01:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think he meant Pres. Bush.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5877319 - 07/19/06 01:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)


how is it the fault of the capitalists?


Well who'se making the money out of fucking up the planet?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5877321 - 07/19/06 01:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
With 5 large companies spewing out more pollution than every car in the country it looks like here's another thing we have to thank the capitalists for  :rolleyes:





You can also thank those evil capitalists for that computer you're typing on.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5877331 - 07/19/06 01:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You can also thank those evil capitalists for that computer you're typing on.


I'd rather have a planet capable of sustaining life to be honest.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5877354 - 07/19/06 01:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So the socialists, communists, etc are at harmony with the planet? I've never actually been to places like china and india but they don't look like they have the most environmentally friendly practices.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5877364 - 07/19/06 01:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Are China and India socialist? I thought China was following predatory capitalism to the nth degree backed by an authoritarian government.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5877417 - 07/19/06 01:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Would you Consider the liberal Paradise of Cuba a Socialist country????

A friend of mine told me that the pollution was so bad he had to wear a mask.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5877866 - 07/19/06 03:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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With the mercury expected to approach 100F (37.8C)





Same here (holland)


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5877878 - 07/19/06 03:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you Consider the liberal Paradise of Cuba a Socialist country????

A friend of mine told me that the pollution was so bad he had to wear a mask.




Cuba isn't a liberal paradise. Countries like Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands are liberal paradises.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Asante]
    #5877881 - 07/19/06 03:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, this heat is intense. I am in southern Ontario and we have had a week long heatwave. Get ready for the Hurricanes!


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5878099 - 07/19/06 04:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but we arn't lizards so we don't mind a little cooler weather

The Brits seem to like the fog or constant drizzle or both which I always found odd. But I guess to complain about the way it usually is gets old, where to complain about the occasional heat makes the complaint more valid. Or something like that. You still haven't explained why Brits don't wear shorts (pale white legs aside) when it gets hot? Off with those Woolies I say...Ta


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5878128 - 07/19/06 04:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe many of them don't own a lot of shorts, since it is usually much cooler???


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5878326 - 07/19/06 06:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I've actually thought about how Canada is probably going to be the biggest benefactor of global warming. I may want to invest in Canadian agriculture.




I will sell you a hundred acres of canadian tundra.  Buy it now at my special global warming rate.  :grin:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Catalysis]
    #5878486 - 07/19/06 07:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

A short term tempter rise nether proves nor disproves global warming.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). This is the familiar fallacy of mistaking correlation for causation -- i.e., thinking that because two things occur simultaneously, one must be a cause of the other.

Oh and quit complaining, it is 110 here.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5878496 - 07/19/06 07:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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A short term tempter rise nether proves nor disproves global warming.



Long term temperature rises, on the other hand...



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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5878589 - 07/19/06 07:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

A tempter chart showing a rise in the tempter after the little ice age is not helpful.

Would you mind citing where that chart was taken from?


The real issue is that the global warming theory has only some corroborating evidence. When evidence is found that is not in line with the theory, it is dismissed. This is pseudo science, a theory should be adjusted to fit the facts, not the facts adjusted to fit the theory.

In the 1960-1970's it was the coming ICE Age.
In the 1980-1990's it was the end of the world from global warming in 10 years.
In the 1990-2000's it was Y2K is going to kill us all and Global warming in the next 25 years.
In the 2000-2006 it has been Global warming in the next 500 years (Most scientists) and the news proclaiming "Global Warming is HERE!"


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5878602 - 07/19/06 07:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be glad when this planet runs dry of fossil fuels. I always smile when I see the gas prices just went up. Don't hurt me any, I'm a commuter


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5880375 - 07/20/06 06:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> A tempter chart showing a rise in the tempter after the little ice age is not helpful.

Yes, but the graph shows how much hotter it is getting because of global warming. This is proof! Just look at the graph. Even a child can see it is getting hotter.

> The real issue is that the global warming theory has only some corroborating evidence.

Who needs evidence!? It is hot out!!! Go outside. If you don't agree that it is hotter today than it was yesterday, then something is wrong. How can you claim that there is no evidence when you can feel how hot it is everytime you walk outside?

> This is pseudo science

No, this is real science. Even people like Al Gore say it is real science, and Al should know! He was vice president and helped bring society out of caves and into the digital age.

(The above is sarcasm for the sarcastically impaired...)

> always smile when I see the gas prices just went up. Don't hurt me any, I'm a commuter

A very shallow view. Do you use plastic? Do you eat food other than what you grow? Do you wear clothes other than those you sew yourself from the cloth you weave yourself from the plant fibers that you grow and collect yourself? Do you have electricity in your home? The list goes on and on and on and... Unless you are Amish, you use oil, even if you don't drive.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5880426 - 07/20/06 07:46 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Cyber said: Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). This is the familiar fallacy of mistaking correlation for causation -- i.e., thinking that because two things occur simultaneously, one must be a cause of the other.





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In the 1960-1970's it was the coming ICE Age.
In the 1980-1990's it was the end of the world from global warming in 10 years.
In the 1990-2000's it was Y2K is going to kill us all and Global warming in the next 25 years.
In the 2000-2006 it has been Global warming in the next 500 years (Most scientists) and the news proclaiming "Global Warming is HERE!"




Lol. You're shooting yourself in the feet ... So, just because none of that has happened, there will be no real global warming ? Yeap, no prob, let's just keep burning more and more our planet resources. This global warming stuff is the same as any unfulfilled prophecy, it will never happen ... :tongue:

Look around you, it's happening  :crazy:

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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: MAIA]
    #5880445 - 07/20/06 08:05 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Cyber said: Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). This is the familiar fallacy of mistaking correlation for causation -- i.e., thinking that because two things occur simultaneously, one must be a cause of the other.





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In the 1960-1970's it was the coming ICE Age.
In the 1980-1990's it was the end of the world from global warming in 10 years.
In the 1990-2000's it was Y2K is going to kill us all and Global warming in the next 25 years.
In the 2000-2006 it has been Global warming in the next 500 years (Most scientists) and the news proclaiming "Global Warming is HERE!"




Lol. You're shooting yourself in the feet ... So, just because none of that has happened, there will be no real global warming ? Yeap, no prob, let's just keep burning more and more our planet resources. This global warming stuff is the same as any unfulfilled prophecy, it will never happen ... :tongue:

Look around you, it's happening  :crazy:

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I was giving examples of how the belief has gone over the last several decades. I do not discount global warming, as I have stated, There is some evidence but the global warming crowed is more interested in fear mongering than science.

There is lots of evidence that the sun has more to do with the heat than the car you drive.

There are glaring inaccuracies in the data. An example would be comparisons of despondent tempter collection types and the fact that the tempter collection data comes mainly from industrialized nations who by far have more concrete than non-industrialized nations.

The list goes on. I may post more on this tonight when I get off work.

Global warming has become a religion for some. Replace God with scientists and Revelations with Global warming.

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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5880592 - 07/20/06 09:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There is some evidence but the global warming crowed is more interested in fear mongering than science.


By "global warming crowd" presumably you mean pretty much every scientist who isn't funded by the oil companies.

Global warming has become a religion for some. Replace God with scientists and Revelations with Global warming.


Nah. 20 years ago you might have said this. Now the evidence is so utterly overwhelming that the oil companies are having to pay scientists to get any to agree with them.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Cyber]
    #5880793 - 07/20/06 11:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Just to clear things up: NO credible scientist today actually denies that global warming is occurring. The evidence for that is far too compelling. The controversy is over what is causing it, how severe it's going to be, and what the effects will be. As for the first point of controversy, the skeptics on that point are becoming fewer and fewer as well, as the warming trends are clearly more extreme than the earth's natural warming and cooling cycle. In fact, according to the cycle, we should be in the cooling stage right now, which is why earlier in the century, people were predicting the next ice age.

BTW, 1860 was about a century after the little ice age ended.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5880802 - 07/20/06 11:42 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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the warming trends are clearly more extreme than the earth's natural warming and cooling cycle.





Do you have a link for that? I would love to see the warming and cooling trends for the last Billion years or so.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5880812 - 07/20/06 11:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you have a link for that? I would love to see the warming and cooling trends for the last Billion years or so.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years

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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5880818 - 07/20/06 11:47 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting Thank You.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5883653 - 07/21/06 06:47 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> In fact, according to the cycle, we should be in the cooling stage right now, which is why earlier in the century, people were predicting the next ice age.

Bzzzt... try again. I assume you are speaking of the glaciation cycle, which lasts approximately 100,000 years. Earth is still recovering from the previous glaciation period, which occurred only 20,000 years ago. (Source NASA)



Note: The y-axis of the graph is rate of change in temperature, not the actual temperature.

> NO credible scientist today actually denies that global warming is occurring.

I would be careful there. Most credible scientists use the words "climate change" rather than "global warming". Most fear mongers use "global warming" rather than "climate change". You can pretty much tell a fear monger from a real researcher based solely on which term they use. This is an observation I have noticed after following both the layman news and the scientific climate journals for the last few years.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5883789 - 07/21/06 09:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Surely the world is warming up at the moment tho? So why isn't it accurate to describe it as "global warming"?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5883850 - 07/21/06 10:14 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

it is accurate, however the term has been hijacked by the fear mongerers to rally support against the evil capitalists and corporations...climate change is what we have to use if you want to have an intelligent civilized discussion on the subject


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5884468 - 07/21/06 03:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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it is accurate, however the term has been hijacked by the fear mongerers to rally support against the evil capitalists and corporations...climate change is what we have to use if you want to have an intelligent civilized discussion on the subject




The trouble is the corporations have a blatant self-interest in pumping as much pollution into the atmosphere as they possibly can and have absolutely no interest in anything but their short-term profit.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5886742 - 07/22/06 07:31 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> The trouble is the corporations have a blatant self-interest

You are claiming that since the corporations ruin the environment, it is fine for everybody else to ruin science in order to "prove" how bad the corporations are? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5886762 - 07/22/06 07:39 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

No, I'm saying that without multi-billion dollar corporations and PR firms behind them the "global warming doesn't exist" rent-a-quotes would be taken as seriously as those who believe the earth is flat.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Silversoul]
    #5886878 - 07/22/06 08:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Just to clear things up: NO credible scientist today actually denies that global warming is occurring.




Bullshit. Its just that scientists who question the multi-billion dollar global warming research industry are immediately attacked by those who profit from it, either through funding or politically.


By RICHARD LINDZEN, professor of atmospheric science, MIT

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So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science? It's my belief that many scientists have been cowed not merely by money but by fear. An example: Earlier this year, Texas Rep. Joe Barton issued letters to paleoclimatologist Michael Mann and some of his co-authors seeking the details behind a taxpayer-funded analysis that claimed the 1990s were likely the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year in the last millennium. Mr. Barton's concern was based on the fact that the IPCC had singled out Mr. Mann's work as a means to encourage policy makers to take action. And they did so before his work could be replicated and tested--a task made difficult because Mr. Mann, a key IPCC author, had refused to release the details for analysis. The scientific community's defense of Mr. Mann was, nonetheless, immediate and harsh. The president of the National Academy of Sciences--as well as the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union--formally protested, saying that Rep. Barton's singling out of a scientist's work smacked of intimidation.




All of which starkly contrasts to the silence of the scientific community when anti-alarmists were in the crosshairs of then-Sen. Al Gore. In 1992, he ran two congressional hearings during which he tried to bully dissenting scientists, including myself, into changing our views and supporting his climate alarmism. Nor did the scientific community complain when Mr. Gore, as vice president, tried to enlist Ted Koppel in a witch hunt to discredit anti-alarmist scientists--a request that Mr. Koppel deemed publicly inappropriate. And they were mum when subsequent articles and books by Ross Gelbspan libelously labeled scientists who differed with Mr. Gore as stooges of the fossil-fuel industry.




Sadly, this is only the tip of a non-melting iceberg. In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions.




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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Catalysis]
    #5886964 - 07/22/06 10:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Richard Lindzen is notorious oil company stooge.

Global warming research is in the same state as Tobacco research. All sensible science said smoking was dangerous yet the corporations denied it for decades and produced their own funded research saying smoking was harmless.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5886995 - 07/22/06 10:58 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Richard Lindzen is notorious oil company stooge.




..and Roger Pielke Sr.?

http://climatesci.atmos.colostate.edu/

How about these guys?

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=2


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Catalysis]
    #5887000 - 07/22/06 11:03 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Catalysis]
    #5887042 - 07/22/06 11:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I've never heard of Roger Pielke but "Friendsofscience" are well known for recieving enormous amounts of money from ExxonMobil.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/26/11550/9864


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5887131 - 07/22/06 12:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I found this interesting tidbit of information about Richard Lindzen:

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In November 2004, climate change skeptic Richard Lindzen was quoted saying he'd be willing to bet that the earth's climate will be cooler in 20 years than it is today. When British climate researcher James Annan contacted him, however, Lindzen would only agree to take the bet if Annan offered a 50-to-1 payout. Subsequent offers of a wager were also refused by Pat Michaels, Chip Knappenberger, Piers Corbyn, Myron Ebell, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Sherwood Idso and William Kininmonth. At long last, however, Annan has persuaded Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev to take a $10,000 bet. "There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement," Annan says. "A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension."




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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5887158 - 07/22/06 12:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This is all just pure crap.

Because were going to destroy out planet in sooo many other ways before it ever heats up enough to destroy life.

Instead of global warming we should change the focus to "global destruction". That would be a more accurate title for the same cause and effects{s}.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5887269 - 07/22/06 01:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I've never heard of Roger Pielke but "Friendsofscience" are well known for recieving enormous amounts of money from ExxonMobil.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/26/11550/9864




You get funnier and funnier everyday Alex. First you quote your own term papers as authoritative sources and now some tinfoil hat wearing nitwit at Daily Kos is authoritative. Just for shits and giggles I read the whole paranoid screed and decided to do a little math, wherein this genius investigator tries to document ExxonMobil's coopting, with "vast" amounts of cash, several (and I mean several) policy groups. To cut to the main chase:

Total of all amounts sent from ExxonMObil, as reported by the KosKid, to several organizations in the period from 1998-2005 (eight years, kiddies)........a whopping, huge, gigantic, tentacular global corrupting $6,237,400, or, $780,000 annually.

As to the several organization thing he counts every donation to any organization that anyone in Friends of Science has contact with. I counted 9. Average annual contribution to each foundation that any Friend of Science has collateral ties to, as documented by this KosKid, is a mindblowing $87,000.

The only organization that I can imagine could be corrupted by this amount of money is the UN.

Why do you subject yourself to this Alex?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5887277 - 07/22/06 01:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

where does he quote his own term papers as suthoritative sources!?!?  i gotta check that out  :rofl:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5887311 - 07/22/06 01:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know how to link a post, but it is in the thread entitled
Iraq - a route out of the clusterfuck? and his term paper can first be found in the post made at 2:05 AM on the 8th of July. Continue the thread wherein I accuse and continue to request he provide a link. I caught him at this one other time too, but I forget what that was about.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5889658 - 07/23/06 04:53 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

First you quote your own term papers as authoritative sources

Why are you lying? Is it because know your points are so weak? I've never even written a term paper in my life. So why lie?

Total of all amounts sent from ExxonMObil

So you admit ExxonMobil are sending them money. Can you see any problem in this?

Why do you subject yourself to this Alex?

Subject myself to what? You telling lies? I'm used to that. You confirming ExxonMobil are paying Friendsofscience? That's what I told you in the first place.

and his term paper can first be found in the post made at 2:05 AM on the 8th of July

No it can't. You're lying again. For a start people don't write "term papers" in the UK.

You don't need to lie, just make a good point.

I caught him at this one other time too, but I forget what that was about.


Come again? The only explanation I can think of for this statement is that you are drunk when you post here.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5889673 - 07/23/06 05:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Jeez come on. More Co2 gases are released thru volcanic eruptions per year than all industrial CO2 produced a year.


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    #5889680 - 07/23/06 05:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, that's not true. If it was the CO2 records from the sampling stations would be full of spikes instead of a smooth trend.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5889904 - 07/23/06 10:28 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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First you quote your own term papers as authoritative sources

Why are you lying? Is it because know your points are so weak? I've never even written a term paper in my life. So why lie?




Well then, do tell who's term paper it was. Or do they have another name for it in England. Because here in America you can't get through school without writing dozens if them. I ask yet again, who wrote this paragraph you quoted as authoritative;

"Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."

Your post, 07/08/06 02:05 AM...Iraq-a route out of the clusterfuck.

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Total of all amounts sent from ExxonMObil

So you admit ExxonMobil are sending them money. Can you see any problem in this?




What I admit is that the KosKid is reporting these numbers. I have no real reason to believe they are correct or incorrect What I know to be a fact is that you believe them. So, I'll accept, for the sake of argument, that they are "true." I will stipulate to them and go from there. And what I find is that the numbers are so miniscule and the connections so tenuous and tortured as to be laughable. These are your "authorities." And no, I have no trouble whatsoever with ExxonMobil funding research.
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Why do you subject yourself to this Alex?

Subject myself to what? You telling lies? I'm used to that. You confirming ExxonMobil are paying Friendsofscience? That's what I told you in the first place.




Your sourcing is comedic in a Jerry Lewis way. That is, absurd pratfalls, stumbling about and landing on most of the furniture in the room, with your feet ending up in the air.
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and his term paper can first be found in the post made at 2:05 AM on the 8th of July

No it can't. You're lying again. For a start people don't write "term papers" in the UK.

You don't need to lie, just make a good point.




One of my points is, in case you haven't caught on yet, that your sources suck. You can call them igneboks for all I care. Here we call them term papers and they aint shit.
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I caught him at this one other time too, but I forget what that was about.


Come again? The only explanation I can think of for this statement is that you are drunk when you post here.




I just can't remember what thread it was. Fine. I'll retract that. Now, you tell us all where we can find that brilliant piece of historical revisionism published. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890663 - 07/23/06 04:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

"Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."


What word of this do you claim to be untrue? You need to back up your claim that this isn't true. Please do so.

I know you'd never heard of vietnamisation before I told you about it but presumably you now know it exists as I've quoted you the Nixon speech that says exactly the same as the above statement. Do you need me to quote you Nixon's speech again?

And what I find is that the numbers are so miniscule and the connections so tenuous and tortured as to be laughable

Come off it, compared to the kind of tortured and tenuous connections you regularly come up with this is absolute cast iron fact. If you want laughable connections you need to revisit some of your "Saddam might have given money to a palestinian family once, so that makes him a supporter of terrorism".

Your sourcing is comedic in a Jerry Lewis way. That is, absurd pratfalls, stumbling about and landing on most of the furniture in the room, with your feet ending up in the air.


Is your corset too tight? Slacken it off a couple of notches and point out a single word in the sources that isn't true.

One of my points is, in case you haven't caught on yet, that your sources suck

So you keep saying, but as you must know by now to your immense frustration, they're the truth.

Here we call them term papers and they aint shit.

Are you denying Richard Nixon introduced a policy of Vietnamisation? I've already kicked your ass on this point once. Do you need it kicking again for luck?

Now, you tell us all where we can find that brilliant piece of historical revisionism published.

I have no idea what you are talking about. And neither, I suspect, do you  :laugh:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5890734 - 07/23/06 04:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Didnt the Ice Caps melt BEFORE human existance?


What type of instruments did they use in 1860s to accurately keep records of the temperature?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890770 - 07/23/06 04:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This is the source for Alex213's cut and paste -- http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNvietnamization.htm



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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Phred]
    #5890790 - 07/23/06 04:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Zap already told us where it was.

And here's Nixon saying exactly the same thing:

We have adopted a plan which we have worked out in cooperation with the South Vietnamese for the complete withdrawal of all U.S. combat ground forces, and their replacement by South Vietnamese forces on an orderly scheduled timetable. This withdrawal will be made from strength and not from weakness. As South Vietnamese forces become stronger, the rate of American withdrawal can become greater.

http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc14.html

So what the source says is true. That's a big improvement on your sources Phred. Need I mention the name "ralph peters"?  :smirk:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5890848 - 07/23/06 04:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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"Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."


What word of this do you claim to be untrue? You need to back up your claim that this isn't true. Please do so.




It was a surrender, there was no hope of anything, everybody knew it was a cover.  Declare victory and watch the S. Vietnamese be slaughtered.  Typical crap one might read from a text book and turn into a term paper or, in Limeyland, an inglenook.  So, who wrote it?????
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I know you'd never heard of vietnamisation before I told you about it but presumably you now know it exists as I've quoted you the Nixon speech that says exactly the same as the above statement. Do you need me to quote you Nixon's speech again?




Not at all.  Funny that you quote one of the world's most famous liars, but then again, he goes right along with most of your sourcing.  When you know something is a farce from the get go you kind of dismiss it immediately.  But when you get your history from R. Crumb comics you can almost be excused.  Vietnamization was a lie by a consummate liar.  And you bought it.  So, who wrote that paragraph?
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And what I find is that the numbers are so miniscule and the connections so tenuous and tortured as to be laughable

Come off it, compared to the kind of tortured and tenuous connections you regularly come up with this is absolute cast iron fact. If you want laughable connections you need to revisit some of your "Saddam might have given money to a palestinian family once, so that makes him a supporter of terrorism".




I never wrote that.  Once again very sloppy, and, in fact, downright creative, as in fallacious and lazy, sourcing.  I never said that.  I said he definitely gave money.  And backed it up.  With a real news article.  Find a quote of mine that you don't like instead of making one up.  Lazy, lazy, lazy.  Like a hot Georgia night.
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Your sourcing is comedic in a Jerry Lewis way. That is, absurd pratfalls, stumbling about and landing on most of the furniture in the room, with your feet ending up in the air.


Is your corset too tight? Slacken it off a couple of notches and point out a single word in the sources that isn't true.




If you're referring to the KosKid's rant, the untruth is the implication that this amounts to anything improper or corrupting.  Rather comical.  In a feet in the air kind of way.  You thought you had something but it was nothing.  Not only did I  impugn your source, I impugned the whole premise, which is that 9 different scientific organizations could be bought off with approximately $80,000 apiece per annum.  Buffoonery, of the highest sort.
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One of my points is, in case you haven't caught on yet, that your sources suck

So you keep saying, but as you must know by now to your immense frustration, they're the truth.




Your Vietnam thing is nonsense and so is the Koskid's.  To the KosKid's credit, I will accept his numbers, because they are laughably unindicative of his premise, which is that these people have been bought off.  Apparently for peanuts.  What incredible (and downright cheap) whores these prominent and well respected scientists are!!!!!!  Who knew?

So, "Who wrote the paragraph?"  Whowho who who, to quote The Who, Oh I really wanna know.
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Here we call them term papers and they aint shit.

Are you denying Richard Nixon introduced a policy of Vietnamisation? I've already kicked your ass on this point once. Do you need it kicking again for luck?




Vietnamization was a fictional bit of bullshit and only an utter idiot would have thought it meant that we were setting the S Viets up for success.  We in fact abandoned them and condemned them to death, which bludgeon I hammered you with in the thread we are currently discussing.  Vietnamization having any hope attached to it is a fiction.  There was no hope or plan involved.
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Now, you tell us all where we can find that brilliant piece of historical revisionism published.

I have no idea what you are talking about. And neither, I suspect, do you  :laugh:




The paragraph.  You know the one.  It's this one.

"Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Phred]
    #5890862 - 07/23/06 04:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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This is the source for Alex213's cut and paste -- http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNvietnamization.htm



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Bwahahaha. How the fuck did you find that? No wonder he was embarrassed.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890973 - 07/23/06 05:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It was a surrender, there was no hope of anything, everybody knew it was a cover. Declare victory and watch the S. Vietnamese be slaughtered. Typical crap one might read from a text book and turn into a term paper or, in Limeyland, an inglenook. So, who wrote it?????

WTF are you talking about? It is a simple statement of what Nixon said. Nothing more, nothing less. Are you too embarrassed to admit this?

Vietnamization was a lie by a consummate liar. And you bought it. So, who wrote that paragraph?

But you accept the statement is an accurate representation of what Nixon said? Who wrote it? Someone who was telling the truth.

You thought you had something but it was nothing

What I have is ExxonMobil giving money to a group who then deny global warming. That should set the alarm bells ringing.

Your Vietnam thing is nonsense

Are you denying Nixon said it and the source accurately described Nixon's vietnamisation plan?

Or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual?

So, "Who wrote the paragraph?" Whowho who who, to quote The Who, Oh I really wanna know.

Someone who clearly knew more the history of Vietnam than you. And who'se facts are verifiable and sound.

Vietnamization was a fictional bit of bullshit

I'm sorry but you either know you are owned and are trying to wriggle out of it or you are drunk. The source described exactly Nixon's policy of Vietnamisation. I've linked you to Nixon's speech.

Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."

As I asked you before, what word of this is untrue? I have linked you to Nixon saying the same thing in his speech.

Bwahahaha. How the fuck did you find that? No wonder he was embarrassed.


You honestly don't know? Phred typed the words into google and then hit the search button.

BTW, the truth isn't embarrassing. What's embarrassing is you refusing to admit the source is perfectly true when you clearly know it is.


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    #5891079 - 07/23/06 05:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

And what's really embarrassing is you bragging in the other thread about how much you knew about Vietnam because you were "alive at the same time"(!) and then a student showing up your complete ignorance of vietnamisation and you refusing to accept it.



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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5891298 - 07/23/06 06:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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the glaciation cycle




Sorry, Suess, I've gotta call you on this one. On their own, each of the three astronomical cycles vary an enormous amount. Combined, they don't look pretty. There have been a lot of advances and retreats that fall in line with 100,000 years. Glacial geologists tend to use that number because it looks nice and because the larger events tend to follow the eccentricity. The thing is, if you get a better graph and really look at it, you'll notice that there are a huge number of climate events that don't follow a hundred year schedule.

My blathering aside, Silversoul is still sorta in the right, because if you find an even better graph, you'll notice that in a typical 100,000 year cycle, about 15-20ky is spent going up, the rest is a downward roller coaster.

One thing that is very predictable, based on all the information we have, is that in the last 3 million years (ie, since the plates and ocean currents have had this exact arrangement), when it gets this hot, it drops off very quickly. This leads people to speculate that in the 1400s, the temp should have dropped and kept on dropping.
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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5891770 - 07/23/06 08:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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It was a surrender, there was no hope of anything, everybody knew it was a cover. Declare victory and watch the S. Vietnamese be slaughtered. Typical crap one might read from a text book and turn into a term paper or, in Limeyland, an inglenook. So, who wrote it?????

WTF are you talking about? It is a simple statement of what Nixon said. Nothing more, nothing less. Are you too embarrassed to admit this?




As a reminder to all, that is a lie. The paragraph in question is this;
Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."

I don't see a single Nixon quote in it. What I see is utter nonsense and revisionist history. To reiterate, there may have been some cuckoo's nest denizens who believed there was any hope that S. Vietnam could take over the fight but there certainly weren't any S. Vietnamese who believed that. Or Americans. Vietnamization=surrender. That's it. Nobody believed otherwise.
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Vietnamization was a lie by a consummate liar. And you bought it. So, who wrote that paragraph?

But you accept the statement is an accurate representation of what Nixon said? Who wrote it? Someone who was telling the truth.




There was nothing there that was accurate except the phrase "President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". Everything else is bullshit. There was no plan or hope. It was a surrender, plain and simple.
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You thought you had something but it was nothing

What I have is ExxonMobil giving money to a group who then deny global warming. That should set the alarm bells ringing.




Causality should demand a few more greenbacks, unless you are predisposed to believe in anthropogenic global warming. Then my $5 contribution would be enough to prove a conspiracy between me and the oil companies and scientists. Once again, utter peanuts. If that tiny amount of money sets your alarm bells off, then you're a bit paranoid, forgive me for saying.
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Your Vietnam thing is nonsense

Are you denying Nixon said it and the source accurately described Nixon's vietnamisation plan?

Or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual?




As I have said repeatedly, quoting an arch liar on something everybody knew to be nonsense is par for you.
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So, "Who wrote the paragraph?" Whowho who who, to quote The Who, Oh I really wanna know.

Someone who clearly knew more the history of Vietnam than you. And who'se facts are verifiable and sound.

Vietnamization was a fictional bit of bullshit

I'm sorry but you either know you are owned and are trying to wriggle out of it or you are drunk. The source described exactly Nixon's policy of Vietnamisation. I've linked you to Nixon's speech.




Yes you did. and it isn't what you quote below, is it. It is absolutely hilarious that you now take the word of an arch liar (when it suits you). Feet up in the air
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Soon after taking office. President Richard Nixon introduced his policy of "vietnamization". The plan was to encourage the South Vietnamese to take more responsibility for fighting the war. It was hoped that this policy would eventually enable the United States to withdraw gradually all their soldiers from Vietnam."

As I asked you before, what word of this is untrue? I have linked you to Nixon saying the same thing in his speech.

Bwahahaha. How the fuck did you find that? No wonder he was embarrassed.


The truth isn't embarrassing. What's embarrassing is you refusing to admit the source is perfectly true when you clearly know it is.




And the above is a little bit of Alex's creative cut and pasting of quotes. No wonder he seems to have such an affinity for Nixon. You're perfect, never change. If you didn't exist I'd invent you.

No, what your schoolboy scholastic is saying is nonsense, as is what the arch liar Nixon said. Vietnamization was a fiction and everybody knew it. It was a euphemism for "we quit." Totally unrelated to anything happening in Iraq (remember that? It's why you brought this fiction up in the first place). So, if you weren't ashamed of your source why didn't you link it earlier?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5891948 - 07/23/06 09:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thats enough from both of you about what or was not cited from what may or may not have been a credible source. If you feel like continuing to on about this completely worthless subject, feel free to take advantage of the Shroomery's wonderful private message feature.

Back on topic, people.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Redstorm]
    #5892055 - 07/23/06 09:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Four days in a row well over 90F in Seattle this week, and it got to 98F just 10 miles east of Seattle yesterday. It ain't just England that's heating up. It's killin' us here. At least in hot weather climates people have air conditioning. Hardly anybody here in Seattle does.
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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Redstorm]
    #5892924 - 07/24/06 02:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats enough from both of you about what or was not cited from what may or may not have been a credible source. If you feel like continuing to on about this completely worthless subject, feel free to take advantage of the Shroomery's wonderful private message feature.

Back on topic, people.




Never been moderation as fair as this in the forum before. Good work storm.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5893652 - 07/24/06 08:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> are well known for recieving enormous amounts of money from ExxonMobil.

I once worked in a lab that was funded by a very large grant from BP to do research on solar based alternative energy when I was in college. I don't understand why you feel that the source of funding has any bearing on the outcome of the research? About the only time money/greed will influence research is when politicians start to meddle with science, hoping the research will support some political platform. If you want to discredit the research done by the anti global warming crowd, then focus on the research and not on the funding.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5893804 - 07/24/06 10:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You dont think the source of funding ever has any influence on scientific research? That appears naive in the extreme to me.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5894028 - 07/24/06 01:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand why you feel that the source of funding has any bearing on the outcome of the research?

Doesn't it make sense that oil companies arn't going to fund scientists who say global warming is down to oil companies?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5894034 - 07/24/06 01:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Do you know anything about BP's CEO? He's probably the most environmentally progressive oil executive out there. The CEO of Exxon-Mobil, on the other hand, is a total reactionary who's tried to fight the environmental movement whenever possible, and has been quite critical of his counterpart in BP.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: GazzBut]
    #5894331 - 07/24/06 03:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> You dont think the source of funding ever has any influence on scientific research? That appears naive in the extreme to me.

It depends upon what you mean by influence. As I said, "About the only time money/greed will influence research is when politicians start to meddle with science, hoping the research will support some political platform."


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Seuss]
    #5897244 - 07/25/06 08:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So are oil companies likely to fund scientists who say oil companies are to blame?


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5898757 - 07/25/06 06:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Alex's default position.......
Aughhhhhh OIL COMPANY, LIAR LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

The amount of money in the Kostards "term paper" was laughable.
A crackhead could probaby be corrupted by that amount of money but I don't think anybody else could.


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5900969 - 07/26/06 04:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Alex's default position.......
Aughhhhhh OIL COMPANY, LIAR LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. 

The amount of money in the Kostards "term paper" was laughable. 
A crackhead could probaby be corrupted by that amount of money but I don't think anybody else could.




Then you'll have no problem finding me examples of oil companies funding scientists who say global warming exists and is caused by fossil fuels.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find that oil company funding  :smirk:


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Re: Britain bakes as global warming kicks in [Re: Alex213]
    #5901331 - 07/26/06 10:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Then you'll have no problem finding me examples of oil companies funding scientists who say global warming exists and is caused by fossil fuels.




Talk about loading a challenge.  If he accepts the challenge, then he accepts your faulty assertation on the existence of global warming.  If he denies your challenge, then he accepts your faulty assertation that oil companies corrupt science. 

Lets flip a coin.  If it lands tails, then global warming exists.  If it lands heads, then the people that say there isn't any global warming are wrong.  :rolleyes:


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