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storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!?
    #5875675 - 07/18/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hey all, i want to make a large amount of casing mix so that i can experiment with different substrates over a long period of time. i have been using a coir/verm casing with some success but i want to switch to peat/coir/verm mix(the coir colonizes to fast). my question is can i make a large amount of casing mix and store it over time and at the same time keep the Ph up around 7. i am thinking that the buffer i use may run thin over time if i store it for to long. i am not sure what i will use as a buffer yet, something that will last over a long period most likely. i will be mixing the casing material and sterilize it with a pressure cooker in quart canning jars. so again how long is to long to keep a casing mixture???


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: acidbuba]
    #5875685 - 07/18/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You can keep it however long,

why risk contamination that way?

It's best to use newely sterilized supplies.

But if you want to store some, here is a start:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5669077/an/0/page/0

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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: toole]
    #5875703 - 07/18/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you're using coir, it's good to add organic blood meal to raise the nitrogen content, for a buffer add some oyster shell flour.


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: toole]
    #5875715 - 07/18/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

why would you ever want nitrogen in your casing mix EVER. Remember, coir is already nutrient rich, adding nitrogen would just turn your coir casing into a bulk substrate even faster. never add nutrients to your casing layer, it defeats the purpose of a casing layer all together.


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: toole]
    #5875716 - 07/18/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Don't try to store it. You can only store peat or coir long term while dry. Make up a fresh batch of casing each time you case.
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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5875790 - 07/18/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i usually PC all my casing mix at one time, like as much as i can do in one PC run. it sometimes takes a few weeks to use it up, but i have NEVER had a problem with this. i keep it sealed in the bag, and i wear gloves when i have to reach in and get some mix.

the moisture content is still right on at the end of the bag, and ive never seen it lead to contams IME.


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5875977 - 07/18/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Don't try to store it.  You can only store peat or coir long term while dry.  Make up a fresh batch of casing each time you case.
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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5876111 - 07/19/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

always listen to roger!

but my experience is no less valid...


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5876185 - 07/19/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

CERTAINLY:

(however)

I think the point is that if you mix up a casing mix, hydrate & store it.

You are adding the element of moisture.

Nutrient, air, temperature & MOISTURE is required for spores to germinate.

Casing mixes are not supposed to have nutrients.

But, there might be some minuscule amount, in the mix - somewhere.

Which could give a contam, what it needs to germinate, lurk  :seeya: & wait for more nutrients.
As - when you cover a substrate with that mix  :eek: :mad2:

EDIT TO ADD:
EVERY substrate will contaminate.
The KEY factor, is WHEN.
After the second, possibly 3rd flush, I don't care.


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5877667 - 07/19/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the reason that i wanted to store a large amout of casing is because at the moment my PC will only fit 4 quart jars. i just wanted to get the casing mix out of the way up front. but i guess that i could whip up a new batch as needed. i was thinking of using a mix as follows

1 part coir
1 part peat moss
1/2 part verm
? oyster shell

what do ya think?? and how mutch oyster shell is normally used??


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: acidbuba]
    #5878107 - 07/19/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Casing mix should not be sterilized. Casing should be pasteurized for best results.
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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5878243 - 07/19/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Don't try to store it. You can only store peat or coir long term while dry. Make up a fresh batch of casing each time you case.
RR




Exactly

i had a big ziploc full of the verm peat and water already sterilized for about 2 weeks on my shelf

opened it up to use it and it fuckin made my room smell like rotten eggs


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: acidbuba]
    #5878269 - 07/19/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: Roadkill]
    #5878396 - 07/19/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok guys good looking, i have been growing for 3/4 of a year and i now feel like a newb again. i used just coir/verm on my last grow with good results but i had to pay constant attention and patch all the time to get good results. do you all think that using coir is esential at all or should i just stick to peat moss/verm? BTW what is the best type of peat to use for casing?


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Re: storing large amounts of casing mix ?!?!?!? [Re: acidbuba]
    #5878451 - 07/19/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ive never had a bag of casing contaminate, but now that i think about it, i used to have typically mediocre pinsets.
Ill have to try it RR way.


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