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egodeathparade
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: CherryBom]
#5894726 - 07/24/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am unsure if this has been addressed, as i really don't want to read through the tens of pages of replies...
the center for cognitive liberty and ethics has a legal network which appears to be a wonderful resource for drug laws and the like, and its founder is a drug expert and lawyer with a particular interest in such cases. i am unsure what the monetary situation will bring, but you can contact his office directly for free and they will take a look to see if they can help.
go to richard glen boire's website at http://www.convictionfree.com/ and find the pdf or word document to fill out and fax/email it to his office. if nothing else, it indicates that he can act as a consultant, maybe bring up a few points your trial lawyer may have overlooked.
best wishes.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5895106 - 07/24/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: will all the information that has been released here in the forum reguarding this guy and his situation...isn't anyone the least bit worried that someone could put two and two together, and then start looking back at posts for incriminating evidence if there is any? any and all comments on here would not be good.
i mean dam we all know these forums get looked up and down, i know that i could put the puzzle together really easy sitting from MY CHAIR.
actually the information posted on these forums are practically inadmissable. it's all circumstantial and nebulous, you see. the burden is on prosecution to prove that it was actually Yosch that was the one who typed the words and that he wasn't just fucking around and blah blah blah. really, it's next to impossible to prove something with internet forum posts. not impossible, mind you.
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simtap
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: debianlinux]
#5897390 - 07/25/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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debianlinux said:
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makaveli8x8 said: will all the information that has been released here in the forum reguarding this guy and his situation...isn't anyone the least bit worried that someone could put two and two together, and then start looking back at posts for incriminating evidence if there is any? any and all comments on here would not be good.
i mean dam we all know these forums get looked up and down, i know that i could put the puzzle together really easy sitting from MY CHAIR.
actually the information posted on these forums are practically inadmissable. it's all circumstantial and nebulous, you see. the burden is on prosecution to prove that it was actually Yosch that was the one who typed the words and that he wasn't just fucking around and blah blah blah. really, it's next to impossible to prove something with internet forum posts. not impossible, mind you.
When the cops seized his computer they will have asked whether or not anyone else had access to it. If he said "No" then everything written is obviously written by him. They'll use every last post against him, if not as proof as court then certainly as evidence given to the judge to maximise his sentence.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: simtap]
#5897437 - 07/25/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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They never seized his computer.
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missargyle
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: simtap]
#5897578 - 07/25/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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simtap said: When the cops seized his computer they will have asked whether or not anyone else had access to it. If he said "No" then everything written is obviously written by him. They'll use every last post against him, if not as proof as court then certainly as evidence given to the judge to maximise his sentence.
his computer is sitting on the desk in our apt - so don't worry, the cops don't have it.
even if they did get his computer, how will that prove anything? maybe if you track by IP address, but he posts on the shroomery from any number of people's computers [mine, friends, internet cafes...] and anyone could have written those! i know for a fact that his latest trip report was from my computer!
and on top of it all, he steals wireless from someone in his building, so he doesn't even have an IP address that can be directly linked back to him!
so stop your stressing about his posts on this board!
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! *DELETED* [Re: missargyle]
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wang_chung00
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: missargyle]
#5897740 - 07/25/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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just saw this thread, i dont know how many yoschie's there are in this country but can someone tell me if this is the yoschie i know from bklyn?
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CherryBom
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: wang_chung00]
#5897766 - 07/25/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I doubt there is more then one Yoschie in Brooklyn...so yes. Probably.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: wang_chung00]
#5897801 - 07/25/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yoschie, i hope this somehow gets to you. ive been busted before, many times. truth of the situation is... if you didnt have anything on you, and you didnt sell the drugs to the cop... pay your lawyer well, dont say anohter fuckin word. keep a stiff upper lip, dont cry... cuz its gonna be ok buddy. i feel for you, i know the fear of loosing your freedom. its all the pigs have over you. they know its the only thing they can actually take. if you know that they have your freedom right now but they cant keep it long because your not guilty of the charges brought up, you will make it out alive with no ulcers. above all, remember, no matter what the pigs say to you... do not say a fuckin word. not to your cellmate not to your lover on the fone, talk to no one except your lawyer about anything. this includes snitching. us dopers have a code of honor that only works if we all stick to it. the cops know this and they will say anything to break you. dont be our week link. fuck the police, real people are stronger than them.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: X24]
#5898824 - 07/25/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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missargyle writes: "and on top of it all, he steals wireless from someone in his building, so he doesn't even have an IP address that can be directly linked back to him!"
Niiice.
"they are in the process of seperating yos's case from the other 3 guys and then getting the false charges drop and trying to get a deal for the legitimate charges [pretty minor]. the lawyer is also going to try and get bail reduced as soon as the case becomes seperate so that he can get out of there. i don't forsee him avoiding doing some time, but nothing major [6mo - 1yr]."
That's awesome to hear. Thanks for keeping us updated, missargyle. While this doesn't sound good, this sounds as good as it's gonna get under the circumstances.
If you talk to Yos, please let him know we're all pulling for him. If he winds up doing some time, I'll be happy to Amazon some books to him.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: splifner180]
#5900248 - 07/25/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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since a lot of you are yos freinds, and he posted that he was looking for a ride to the allgood, why don't one of you see if him and his lawyer needs a witness to say that he asked you for a ride so it doesnt look like what he did was premeditated. if they can prove that he was just part of some unfortunate circumstances, then he may get off with only the charges of possession or whatever.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: BobDole]
#5902175 - 07/26/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yep. He definitely needs a lawyer. most of em wants $7500. Maybe you can find one just out of school who wants or likes the case to do it cheaper. I would think youd be lucky to retain a lawyer for $2500. Its FEDERAL? DEA? Damn. Dont they have bigger fish to fry? Preying on harmless hippies whilst armed gangsters and international smugglers run rampant. Even with a lawyer it will amount to a plea agreement. Trials are expensive. Outcome depends on his points. Good Luck! I'm sending a contribution...
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Mitchnast
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those werent "helpless hippies" he was caught with. but it's good to here that they may be able to establish that he wasn't involved. wouldn't it be sweet if they threw out the minors too for all the false charges
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: missargyle]
#5904422 - 07/27/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just as a note when they look at your computer, what they attempt to do is see logins to the shroomery, around or about the same time you logged into your own email account,credit card account,bank account etc. Then they tie the to together. I took a computer forensics class with the head of one of the 3 largests labs in the US teaching it.
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: Ramlaen]
#5908331 - 07/28/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, Yos is a cool as kid.
I was talking to a buddy about going to see him, we kinda figgered it was abd idea.
Anything at all that can tie him to this site and more importantly yhe network of revoultionaries would be extremely useful to the DA.
They have a habit of recording conversations between inamtes and non inmates, especially during an invetstigation.
Please exercise great caution.
I need the pay pal stuff,
Agqain exercise great caution.
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any updates on this??
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yeah im curious as well......
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! *DELETED* [Re: ZippoZ]
#5921361 - 08/01/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: missargyle]
#5921366 - 08/01/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well that sounds a lot better than i had expected. Good Luck!
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Re: Yoschie is in jail. Help! [Re: missargyle]
#5921475 - 08/01/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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missargyle said: we are still waiting i spoke with his lawyer last week and he seems to think that it shouldn't be a problem to get yos's case separated from the other guys and only get a minor possession charge. he's in the process now of moving up the arraignment date and getting yos's bail dropped to something reasonable. he also doesn't expect that yos should get more than 30 days - 14 of which he has already served.
i'm still just waiting at this point and it's terrible! i know that the lawyer spoke with yos yesterday, but i don't know what transpired...hopefully yos can give me some good news tonight when we speak on the phone.
i'll continue to send your well wishes to him!
<3moira
thats fucking awesome!
im glad to hear that there is some good hope for things working out! 
much love Zip
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