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iago
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possible p. atl?
#5875458 - 07/18/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive been looking around the web for info on p. atlantis but havnt been able to find any good pics. i found one that is commonly used on many sites that looks like it matches what i found today. i live in the correct area of GA and they were growing in the right environment.
growing in wet grass that regularly is watered caps are off white about size of bottle cap. gills are light-med. brown attached spore print dark brown stem about 3-4 inches long white and flexable bruise blue grow in clusters of about 3-5 in a 3 foot square area this matches most of the info ive found already on them the pictures are about 1 hour after picking a little brused and soggy from the bike ride i found them on.



o and caps turned from off white to brown couldnt get a fresh pic
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: iago]
#5875479 - 07/18/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are some rotten inedibles (Can't eat them). And the stipe (stem) is obviously NOT brusing blue.
Throw those away. Good luck, in the future.
I would say those are some sort of conocybe. Not sure though.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: psiclops]
#5875501 - 07/18/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd say Conocybe lactea. All over the south (and north and west and everywhere) right now it seems.
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iago
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: psiclops]
#5875503 - 07/18/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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a little white after the photos the majority of the stems turned blue. it took a white for them to start brusing
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: iago]
#5875509 - 07/18/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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iago said: a little white after the photos the majority of the stems turned blue. it took a white for them to start brusing
Sorry but you imagined this.
Keep looking and learning though. Soon you'll spot conocybes from a mile away.
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iago
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: iago]
#5875533 - 07/18/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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cool cool thanks for your help
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Re: possible p. atl? *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: iago]
#5875581 - 07/18/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: iago]
#5875628 - 07/18/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are a very common panaeolus lawn mushroom, not active, taste like shit, mildly toxic. You're right in the middle of all the action for Psilocybe Weilii in a couple months though!
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: Mead]
#5875661 - 07/18/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I noticed that green looking coloration on the stem.
They totally look like Conocybes.. but that blue/green or green patch on a couple stems threw me off.
Conocybes have a cinnamon brown to sometimes almost reddish spore print. it's not exactly considered "dark brown", but the original poster could just have called it the way he saw it. The way people describe colors can vary so this also leads to confusion.
As far as the way they look, they look a lot like conocybe lactea and similar species. If that was the case how would one explain the green looking marks on the stem... I've heard of blue staining conocybes, but I don't want to get your hopes up. The color could have gotten there in other possible ways.
I2ancid - they don't really look like any Panaeolus to me.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: eris]
#5875682 - 07/18/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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eris, you feeling ok? I don't see the slightest blue/green on the stems at all. I think you've been ID'ing a little too much today
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: I2ancid]
#5875697 - 07/18/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you? Click on the first pic
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: eris]
#5875719 - 07/18/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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pieces of grass?

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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: Mead]
#5875736 - 07/18/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I clicked on that first pic, after seeing this discussion unfold, and noticed some green markings on two of the stems. "How can someone explain it?" I don't know. He wanted to know if those are P. atl. NO, they are not. And they are not any Psilocybe mushroom. They could very well be Conocybe lactea, which is a poisonous species.
Good luck on your future hunts, though. You just have to keep trying and learn as much as you can by reading books, and looking at lots and lots of pics and stuff.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: Mead]
#5875813 - 07/18/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oops, I see it too on the stems of the bottom couple of mushrooms. I stand corrected and I humbly apologize for saying you imagined the bluing! Although I think it is just a weird coincidence, cuz those sure look like conocybes.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: spores]
#5875926 - 07/18/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought it was grass too at first lol. After looking really closely it's hard to tell...
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: I2ancid]
#5875932 - 07/18/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone not see the blue/green? Here it is:

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I2ancid said: Those are a very common panaeolus lawn mushroom, not active, taste like shit, mildly toxic. You're right in the middle of all the action for Psilocybe Weilii in a couple months though!
The mushrooms in the photos above do not resemble any Panaeolus nor Panaeolina mushrooms in their fresh or dried form. Those are most obviously Conocybes, another common lawn mushroom. Where did you learn that Panaeolus mushrooms were toxic??? They are mildly active, and in some people, they can cause stomach upsets, but they are not toxic.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: CureCat]
#5877275 - 07/19/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A stomach upset would be caused by mild toxins...right?
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: psiclops]
#5877931 - 07/19/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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psiclops said: A stomach upset would be caused by mild toxins...right?
Not necessarily. Digestive upset due to an inability to digest material would not be considered being due to a toxin of anykind. But at some point you start getting into the semantics of defining a toxin or toxicant and the argument becomes meaningless. What Cure is saying is that no actual toxic compound has been isolated from a Panaeolus species that has a mechanism that produces digestive symptoms.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: xmush]
#5878369 - 07/19/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's just a strand of grass personally, plus I've picked p. atlantis or some other very closely related skinny long weilii variety and I can't imagine the cap being so flimsy at all.


these pictures were taken by me of what I believe to be p-atlantis or a whole new species on it's own. It's highly highly potent.
and heres an extra pic of weilii I found which are what atlantis closely resemble, only skinnier.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
Edited by I2ancid (07/19/06 04:46 PM)
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: xmush]
#5878414 - 07/19/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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But if toxicity is based on a conflict between the body and an outside substance, then an inability to properly digest a mushroom would be considered toxic right? So are you saying the actual physical flesh causes the discomfort which should be made up mostly of water and protein.
And if it is mildly active that proves it does contain some form of a chemical make-up which could cause the discomfort as the body struggles to eliminate it.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: I2ancid]
#5878537 - 07/19/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some people experience stomach upsets from digesting vegetables, which are high in fiber. The body is not able digest fiber and in excess fiber can cause stomach upsets. So if you want to define a toxic substance by "...a conflict between the body and an outside substance, then an inability to properly digest...", then fiber is mildly toxic. Do you really want to argue definitions? Cause this will go 'round in circles. Futhermore, Mushrooms are made up of mostly water, fiber and carbohydrate, not protein.
Now, if you wish to consider Psilocybin toxic, then again, yes Panaeolus mushrooms are mildy toxic... including Psilocybes, Copelandia, Gymnopilus, any mushroom containing the active chemical psilocybin. But most here make a distinction between psilocybin and other "toxic" chemicals, because the mix up that could easily occurr if we start referring to Galerina autumnalis as a toxic mushroom along with Psilocybe cubensis as a toxic mushroom. It might be mistook that toxic entails active, thus psilocybin.
I would not consider Panaeolus species toxic.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: CureCat]
#5878795 - 07/19/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gotcha CureCat, it is pointless. Anyways notice the bruising on my previous pictures, thats within 1 min after picking. They turn completely blue/green and eventually just flat out black. I'm not seeing any appreciable sense of that in his finds. Anyways, im sure he already knows its not atlantis now anyways so ill let this post drop.
Oh, and fuck me, that is infact no way a pan, dunno what I was thinking last night.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: spores]
#5879331 - 07/19/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
DH said: pieces of grass?

DH
Exactly what I was thinking. They are 100% Conocybe. P. atlantis has viscid caps and really looks nothing like that.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: Gumby]
#5879494 - 07/19/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree that they are Conocybes but bluing/active conocybes are not unknown. It seems unlikely, but it is possible. It might be worth a closer examination.
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Re: possible p. atl? [Re: Gumby]
#5879531 - 07/19/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some parts of it don't look like grass when zoomed in on. The quality is not that great though.

I agree that it's unlikely to be one of the bluing conocybes... maybe it got there some other way... some kind of dye getting on it from something that it touched..  I don't know, it's hard to say much of anything without actually having them or talking directly with the poster that found the specimens.
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