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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: Basilides]
    #5886410 - 07/22/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

nothings free thow, they will get there money one way or another, "raising taxes" or pulling it automaticly from your check.....one might say hey fuck that....but they will just pass a law and it will be taken behind closed doors then.....

im curious how people feel about older people in nursing homes...people with altimers and dementia who don't know who they are and usually hate life and want to die, or go on day in day out crying or reliving a person close dieing to them......

why do we FORCE them to live? natually if they were in the wild they wouldn't find food and would die.....they say its cruel to put a person down...but whats this bullshit forcing them to live like this is cruel...sick...and all about money and the healthcare monoply that is accoring....anyone notice hospitals are growing faster than micky d's????


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5886422 - 07/22/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

natually if they were in the wild they wouldn't find food and would die

Wouldn't the majority of americans die if they were left in the wild without mickyd's?. They'd be too fat to run after anything  :laugh:


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5886437 - 07/22/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If we all lived in the "wild" the average life expectancy would be 30 years tops.


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: Alex213]
    #5887256 - 07/22/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So your only experience with management is with the engineering field, yet you believe you are able to extrapolate those experiences to management in all other fields?


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: Alex213]
    #5887271 - 07/22/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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In which sectors of private industry have you worked? I personally have worked only in retail sales and in the bar/restaurant business, but I have friends and relatives in the hospitality sector (hotel management). In all of those areas every manager I have ever met works far more hours than do the employees. Sixty-plus hour work weeks are the norm.


Engineering/computing. Skilled jobs rather than service/selling jobs.




But have you been a manager? It's one thing to complain about the managment b/c you don't see everything they are doing and you feel like you are doing all the valuable work at your job. It's totally different to be the one in office fixing and reading reports, making decisions, etc. Maybe the reason all the management you saw come and go was because they were working hard and getting promotions while you complained about them not doing enough so you stayed in the same position.


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: Alex213]
    #5887338 - 07/22/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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natually if they were in the wild they wouldn't find food and would die

Wouldn't the majority of americans die if they were left in the wild without mickyd's?. They'd be too fat to run after anything  :laugh:




"most people in England (58%) are now either fat or obese."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1170787.stm

"According to the report, a phenomenal 61% of US adults are overweight or obese"
http://www.worldhealth.net/p/286,1047.html

Yep, them Limeys are one superfit example for the rest of us dumb fat colonials


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5887447 - 07/22/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

People around here are misguided about the whole issue..

Many seem to think that business owners are making it rich beyond belief.  Truth is that most businesses fail in the first few years and many dont even make it off the ground at all.  Many more only make the owners an average salary of about 100K a year. 

I read allot of shit talk about CEOs and major salaries for executives but their isnt one business in America big and successful enough to have that sort of executive branching that doesnt already offer medical benefits to its thousands of employees.  That argument should be drooped.

Plus, businesses in California already have to pay an average $80 to $100 per employee per month for Workers Compensation Medical Benefits.  Now they want to add another $100 to $180 per employee :thumbdown:

Small businesses effected by this ARE going to get hurt.  Most of all Restaurants and small manufacturing businesses that have high overhead and low profits.  I wouldnt be a bit surprised to see 10% of small businesses to either close down or relocate in the first year alone.


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5889626 - 07/23/06 02:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
In which sectors of private industry have you worked? I personally have worked only in retail sales and in the bar/restaurant business, but I have friends and relatives in the hospitality sector (hotel management). In all of those areas every manager I have ever met works far more hours than do the employees. Sixty-plus hour work weeks are the norm.


Engineering/computing. Skilled jobs rather than service/selling jobs.




But have you been a manager? It's one thing to complain about the managment b/c you don't see everything they are doing and you feel like you are doing all the valuable work at your job. It's totally different to be the one in office fixing and reading reports, making decisions, etc. Maybe the reason all the management you saw come and go was because they were working hard and getting promotions while you complained about them not doing enough so you stayed in the same position.




Have you ever worked a skilled job? You either know the skill and can do something or you're a management leech sitting on your ass in the office drinking coffee. It's very rare you get a skilled worker "promoted" to an executive, executives are usually brought in. They're two very different breeds of people.


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Re: Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5889631 - 07/23/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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GabbaDj said:

Small businesses effected by this ARE going to get hurt. Most of all Restaurants and small manufacturing businesses that have high overhead and low profits. I wouldnt be a bit surprised to see 10% of small businesses to either close down or relocate in the first year alone.




Same argument they used in the UK to try and stop the minimum wage being introduced. Then it was introduced and none of doom laden predictions the managers made ever came true.


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