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OfflineLimelight
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Is this true??
    #5872942 - 07/18/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just saw this post a minute ago in the memory loss thread.

I can't really believe this... and I want to make it's own thread about this.

his post---

This idea that acid is like beer and that you can take "massive doses" doesn't really work. With beer 10 pints will always have a bigger effect than 1 pint. Acid isn't like that. There's a maximum dose of something like 500 ug beyond which anymore has no effect other than perhaps lasting a little longer because you've got more floating around in your system. The brain only has so many receptors. Tim Leary did a lot of experimentation on this in the 60's - he would give people 10 times as much as they thought they were getting and it would have no more effect than a small dose. If you tell people they are getting a big dose then it might have an effect but it's purely placebo.

So if the kid took "15 hits" and climbed buildings it was just a placebo effect - he'd told himself he was taking a big dose and would go crazy and believed it.

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how is that possible? how come a thumbprint can basically annhilate someone for a solid day.

I can't see at all how this is possible. I've had 600ug once.. and i was frying really hard, but i wasn't seeing insane visuals like ive been told high high doses of LSD has. Ive been told vines can grow out of the ground and whatnot. i admit my friend had to hold my hand like a balloon so i wouldnt float away (we were at a music fest), and i couldnt speak words, but honestly it wasn't that scary at all.... i cant imagine what I felt was the MOST anyone could ever feel on acid, that seems proposterous.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5872962 - 07/18/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

or how could one have ego loss on LSD (i know its possible)?

I know i was really far gone.. but definitely no ego loss.

i have a hard time believing placebo could ever be that strong...


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5872967 - 07/18/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It is definatly NOT true.

Although Im sure Ill get some argument to the fact. Thumbprints simply wouldnt exist otherwise. Talk to people who have taken doaens and doaens of thumbprints and large doses of acid and theyll tell you otherwise. Its a debated topic though so believe what you want.

Personally I just think in Leary's experiments if someone things they are getting a lower dose they will handle it better because they wont be as stressed out, but there will definatly be more effects.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5873030 - 07/18/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That dude is talking bullshit. Sure there might not be much difference between 1000 mics and 1500 mics, but there is when doing in the amounts of a thumbprint. It is just ridiculous to think otherwise.

Sure you got 600 mics? Did you check that in a lab or is that what someone told you?

I don't think Leary did that, never read of it myself and I read all the Leary I can. Leary might have advocated some controversial stuff, but he was still a human being. Giving someone ten times the dose without telling them is inhuman, IMO.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: mecreateme]
    #5873055 - 07/18/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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mecreateme said:
That dude is talking bullshit. Sure there might not be much difference between 1000 mics and 1500 mics, but there is when doing in the amounts of a thumbprint. It is just ridiculous to think otherwise.

Sure you got 600 mics? Did you check that in a lab or is that what someone told you?

I don't think Leary did that, never read of it myself and I read all the Leary I can. Leary might have advocated some controversial stuff, but he was still a human being. Giving someone ten times the dose without telling them is inhuman, IMO.




he said the blotters were 200-250 each, and I took 3 of them.

The other time i did acid i took 3 and they said they were about 20 each, and that trip sucked.

this one seirously blew my mind. i got THE real acid experience, and iw as ahppy.

why do you ask if it were 600 though? should i have seen extreme visuals at that dose?

btw, can you check out my other thread about mind wandering? thanks :smile:


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5873089 - 07/18/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you probably didn't have ego loss because you were at a show

if you had lied down and put on a blindfold and earplugs i'm sure 300ug or less could even maybe give you ego loss

(this is just random specluation having never done acid)


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: leery11]
    #5873095 - 07/18/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually ive heard this before also that there is maximum in how much lsd your body can "absorb" at once, ive heard in the houndred miligram range but i have no idea how true it is


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: leery11]
    #5873118 - 07/18/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have tripped high doses, and the higher the dose the harder I tripped. Maybe its placebo, I dont know, but placebo or not it works for me.

I have a friend that never gets visuals of any kind from any psychedelic, no matter the dose. Then there is me, I can eat 1 gram of shrooms, or half a hit and be tripping nuts with extreme hallucinations. Maybe I have a more vivid imagination, or maybe we just manifest or imaginations in different ways. Dont expect anything on a trip though, visuals or otherwise, because they will never be what you expect.

As for ego loss...a drug doesnt cause ego loss, it helps allow ego loss easier. You can achieve ego loss without drugs even. Personally, I find ego loss extremely simple, although psychologically rough sometimes, on LSD even in relatively small doses. When on a drug like LSD I have more of a "just let go" mindset that probably helps alot. I have even had ego-loss forced upon me by a high dose candyflip at a music festival...it is alot more difficult when you dont have a choice lol.

Whether or not higher doses have more of a physical effect on the brain, I have no clue...but it doesnt really matter to me because the drug is in my own mind. If I can really believe its gives me more, my mind will lead the way to the "more" anyways.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5873144 - 07/18/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Limelight said:
he said the blotters were 200-250 each, and I took 3 of them.

The other time i did acid i took 3 and they said they were about 20 each, and that trip sucked.

this one seirously blew my mind. i got THE real acid experience, and iw as ahppy.

why do you ask if it were 600 though? should i have seen extreme visuals at that dose?

btw, can you check out my other thread about mind wandering? thanks :smile:




I'm glad you had a good trip, but I doubt each blotter was 200-250 micrograms.  Read the "LSD - Crystal to Blotter" thread (in the "Other Drugs Discussion" section).  Even back in the day the standard formula was 70 - 100 micrograms a hit (depending on purity).

I haven't had the oppurtunity to try acid yet, but from what I've read and heard 600 micrograms would leave a pretty big impression on you, and you'd be pretty far gone.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: va_shroomer]
    #5873181 - 07/18/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

there's no telling how many micrograms are on your blotter unless you have it analysed in a lab or something.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5873586 - 07/18/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

600 mics is alot of acid. You wouldn't be questioning about visuals. They were probably close to 100 mics, which they could be more but the person would have to lay an extra gram of LSD crystal into it, therefore making it twice as expensive. In other words, it is not too common.

Honestly though a single 200-250 mic dose would have gotten you off. There would be no need to eat three with doses that strong.

People toss around alot of numbers, especially on the lot. Never trust what people tell you, especially if they say anything above 100 mics on the blotter. That is just tactics of selling effectively. Most people on the lot don't know anything and they are marks to dealers who always hype thier product to the extreme. Even people who know acid will tell you crazy microgramage and act like they are totally certain.

There really is no way to know unless you have your stuff analyzed in a lab. Plus the amounts laid are so small that they are not weighed out individually but rather they are estimated, that is if a sheet is laid.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: mecreateme]
    #5873695 - 07/18/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ahh, good point.

well considering my trip, do you think i had about 300ug then?

i know i was unable to speak except single words. and people had to hold my hand so i wouldnt wander away. i remember too that i had to tell myself like every 3 seconds 'its ok its just a drug' because my mind was going so fast and every single situation would have like 1000x the impact on me. just this one chick talking to her friend on the phone saying they couldnt find her (not a big deal in the least) made me feel crushed and i had to go lie down because it freaked me out so much.

but i held it together and had a fucking lifechanging trip :smile:


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Limelight]
    #5873731 - 07/18/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

(600 mics is alot of acid. You wouldn't be questioning about visuals.)

Exactly


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: MauiGanjaMonster]
    #5873864 - 07/18/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

there defiantly level off points but believe me, you eat enough you will get higher. 10 hits verse 15 not really, 10 hits verse 40 you can ell a big difference. ask people who have actually taken high doses not some kid who heard some shit.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #5874265 - 07/18/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think with LSD you reach certian pleatues/thresholds. Sure, the diff between 500 and 600 may not be that big. Hell, even 500 and 700 - but going from 500 to 1000, then 1000 to 2000 are probably much bigger jumps.

My current batch of LSD, no idea how strong each hit is. But 3 hits took me further then I ever thought possible on LSD.

I remeber sitting near a stream with lush tree's all around me. I curled up and clutched my legs as I became aware of /every/ nerve ending and cell in my body - like conciously aware and able to acknowlege each one. As this happened, I felt an increasing vibration through my body as the world around me disolved into a blaze of white. No visuals, no patterns - just the most amazing brillaint white. Then it felt like I was like, dont know - made of glass that was compressing, and compressing and compressing. Eventually I 'shattered' and every particle in my being was blasted into this nebulous gas - I exploded and was connected to/flowing through everything. There was no begining, no end. Its like all the energy in the world was a river and I was blasted into millions of bits flowing through it.

Once I came back from this place, the visuals were /insane/ -- I never knew my mind could create so much beauty before me. But at the same time, the visuals were just a sideline to the trip -- there was so much more going on.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: kaniz]
    #5874321 - 07/18/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

THAT, sounds like grand fun....!    :thumbup:


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5874588 - 07/18/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

no.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: why_not_me]
    #5879288 - 07/19/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD has a ceiling, I doubt 600 ugs is the right amount though. I have read this a few places before, I'll try to post a link. You have to remember. I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference between 100 hits and 150.


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5880163 - 07/20/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm think that most times ppl exaggerate the potency of their blotters based on what is expected of certain doses based on erowid etc..

I have right now the most potent blotter I've ever had and an experienced friend(hes over 50 right now) and hes been using acid since it was as easy to find as water and he believes these blotters are 75mics

every single person(most experienced with cid) whos had these blotters is VERY impressed with the potency(and so am I obviously) and I honestly thought he was gonna tell me he thought they were over 200mics...so I dunno maybe he just had a weaker hit...but the only other explanation is exaggerated #'s


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Re: Is this true?? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5880437 - 07/20/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I came across the below on another forum....
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LSD *estimates only* -- *Set/Setting dependant*

~50ug- mild energy shift, coming on almost unnoticably at 1.5 hours. Tracers become apparent at 3+ hours, last for another 3-4. Slow come on.

~100ug- more tracers, little bit of swelling, total effect last 6-7 hours, with afterglow even, some mind morphing, no fractals, effects start at 1 hour. CEV's.

~200-300ug- effects start in 45 min - 1hr, swelling and morphing of objects, definate clear defined peak, maybe some fractal/unexplainable visuals, shimmering, total effects ~8-10 hours, visuals waring off last. Nice CEV's, [edit: and depending on circumstances some of the traits from below as well.]

~500-800ug+ - Effects are coming on within the first half hour, very noticable tryptamine shakes/body rush, some confusion at onset, plastered stupid grin, bodily sensation, total trip out, colors, massive swelling, fractal patterns over EVERYthing, impossible to see in the dark, actual hallucinations about what is seen (ie: poles poking up from the water, swirling around), some near freakouts, beautiful CEV's, bodily/time/self distortions, music appreciation, ideas of self coming and going, insight into one's situations, strong emotions (happy, sad, scared, relieved, unsure, ecstatic), strange ideas and behavior/persecptions. Insane novel ideas. Etc etc etc. Total effects lasting for at least 12-15 hours, light visual tint for about a days worth of time. Some tiredness next day.

~1mg- All of above with longer duration, more intense peak, insanely fast come up (20-30min.?), and exaustion. Eyes feel all jacked up, and maybe a little sleepy the next day. Definately more thoughtful for weeks or for ever, could be either good or bad.





I kinda use that as my guideline -- however, not sure how accurate it is. But from what I can gather, seems pretty close.

And going by that, I'd say my current blotter is probably around 150-200 a hit. 3 hits put me /solidly/ into what is described at the 500-800 range. And, for the first few hours of the trip I simply couldnt move - once it peaked it was like "I *MUST* SIT DOWN NOW", found a little nook where I was walking and dont think I left that nook for a few hours :smile:

Then, comparing to previous batches I've had, I'd guess most stuff I was getting was maybe in the 50-75ug range, and it'd take atleast 3-4 hits to get near 1 hit of my current stuff.


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