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Limelight
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is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering?
#5871032 - 07/17/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive always felt like my mind wanders all the time. even when people are talking ill zone out.. and its ironic because the very zoned out thoughts im having are 'dont zone out.' other times i will be like 'ok concentrate..." and just thinking that will make me zone out. and simply other times ill just zone out and not apply what im hearing. i hear it and it goes in one ear and out the other.
this problem has been at an extreme. for example today it made me very depressed.. i went to see a scanner darkley (movie) with 7 of my buddies. its a confusing conspiracy movie. EVERY other person, EXCEPT ME, understood the movie. when it was done i had no idea what it all meant, i thought i did, but then they explained it and i would have never thought of it. what really happened was completely different than what i thought.
ive tripped maybe 40 times on shrooms and acid once and im wondering if this has to do with it. BASICALLY, i feel like i dont think deeply.. its only on 1 level it seems. i sometimes say random things that i dont htink of the consequences, and i suck at telling stories because halfway through i lose my train of thought.
on the other hand im very very artistic. i dont give a shit about that though because in order to get through f'ing school i have to read thousands of pages this upcoming year (very hard classes) and im freaking out. basically i forget EVERYTHING in lecture and i have to cram 8 hours before exams. i do very well in school, but thats because i dont like doing poorly... thats my only saving grace. so i will never not do an assignment, yet on the other hand, it will take me way longer than the average person.
often times my study guides for tests are like 20 pages long, when everyone else writes 1 page. this is because info just flows in and out and i have to reread shit like 10 times.
Anyway.. do you think this has to do with drugs, or is it just ME?
ps. i use shrooms and other psychedelics very responsibly. ive never had a bad trip, and i always do them in the best environment, with plenty of times between trips.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5871205 - 07/17/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I offer no help, but I have a VERY similar problem.
Any movie I watch, by 5 minutes after the end of it, I can only trell you if it was good or bad, I haven't the foggiest clue what it was about.
When people start talking to me, unless I am looking directly at their lips moving concentrating with all my might, by the 3rd or 4th word in their sentance, I'm already thinking about whatever I was thinking about when they intterupted my internal train of thought, Or I'll even be thinking about how I should be listenting to the person speaking, but their words are just jibberish to me, so i end up staring blankly, and agreeing blindly. If I can't see them speaking, I have horrible horrible difficulties even making out any of their words, and it takes all my willpwoer to make them out, wich causes me to make people repeat things a LOT, wich is very frustrating to me and people I try to chat with.
I lead a very solo life, and am VERY anti-social, in part due to the above problem, and in part due to anxiety problems. I only keep 2 or 3 friends around me, and anyone else that knows me is very distant usually. I don't go out, I just go to work, and home, can't stand being in crowds of people, all the sounds madden me.
I have 0 problems reading short stories, and forums and such, the info sticks to my brain like I have a photographic memory, but if a book doesn't grab me, I start reading the words and thinking about WTF ever instead of remembering the words I'm blankly staring at.
I have these problems weather I'm sober, drunk, stoned, tripping, or all of the non sober ones at once
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Eraserhead]
#5871273 - 07/17/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am a very social person,a nd i have lots of friends, but it still affects me a lot.
AMEN to making people repeat shit. i have to have people repeat stuff ALLT HE FUCKING TIME and i think thats one of my faults.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5871320 - 07/17/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha, I know exactly what you guys are talking about. I don't have it quite as bad as you guys make it sound but I do have people repeat stuff constantly. I zone out from time to time, perhaps more since I started smoking and trippin.. who knows?
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: MorphMan]
#5871415 - 07/17/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is with me, i haft to remember to slow down when talking about things or my train of thought will go all over the place.
I allways had this problem but the more mind expansion i put my self through the more I get idias poping into my head when Im talking and trying to explane something.
I dont realy care though, Its not realy a problem for me, but good luck.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: BlindLemon]
#5872618 - 07/18/06 07:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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you gotta take a drug break so you can start blaming yousrelf instead of the drugs, then you realize "well wait it was the drugs" and you stop blaming yourself, and then you're better!
if that doesn't make sense perhaps it wasn't supposed to
but take a drug break. i felt that way because of weed, i'm not sure if it WAS because of weed, because I only felt truely able to pay great attention when I was stoned the right way, but....
I pay better attention now. What I realized is even if you are zoning completely out, part of you is still understanding what is going on.
like someone will tell me about a dream they had and i don't listen at all, and then i realize it and i'm like "man why aren't I listening?" and then I say "sorry I wasn't listening" but then I realize I still heard most of what they said and kind of repeat the dream back to them.
the biggest culprit is living alone and being in isolation. my mind wanders just to stay exercised, and becuase i don't use my body much, or communicate a lot. i'm used to having MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT and not other people's so it's like..... even for just really brief sessions of talking at times I feel like I'm still not "connecting" right.
and i haven't done a lot of drugs....
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: leery11]
#5872667 - 07/18/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a simmalar problem. But for me its that, i cant properly explain myself. For many years even before tripping or drugs, i couldent explain the thoughts i was having. I dont know if its a language barrier or, that i just think of such grand things that i cant rationalize my thought enough to explain it. Im slowly getting better, but ill still get an idea, or realize something, but it will take me an hour to be able to explain it to someone, even though it makes perfect sence to me. Now most of the time i dont even tell people my idea, because i dont feel like trying to explain it to them and butchering the meaning.
Thats also one of the reasons im an anti-social person, because people generally dont understand me and i get really frustrated when talking to them about big concepts.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
#5872684 - 07/18/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well who's mind doesn't wander.
you could say tripping itself is wandering, or following an unnexpected tack or turn, down some associative creative dreamscape or unravelling of extensive reality that might not have been the main thread that you were following a minute ago.
it can be a problem if you really meant to pay attention to something and just could not avoid distraction or side trips, and so you might need training to refocus the mind, or just reduce frequency of psychedellic.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5872718 - 07/18/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have a problem with that. i'll zone out and i wont notice a thing around me, people can talk to me and it will never register that theyve spoken a word. most of the time if i dont catch what someones said and i cant pick it up from whatever it is theyre taking about i just give up. They just get all huffy if i ask them to repeat themselves. people think im ignoring them, but honestly i dont understand how people dont see that im obviously out of it.
( this is sober, stoned, tripping, what have you)
but what really makes me go ??? is sometimes ill go off on a train of thought while zoning out , and i'll suddenly become concious (sp?) of my surroundings basically coming back or whatever, and ill be like WTF was i just thinking about(still thinking this mind you) and i'll have trouble grasping w/e it was and more often then not its some garbled nonsense that probably made more sense when i originally thought it.
i started noticing this after i started tripping
and sometimes it gets me to wonder if there isnt some kind of underlying mental problem going on.
-shrug-
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Limelight
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5872763 - 07/18/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: well who's mind doesn't wander.
you could say tripping itself is wandering, or following an unnexpected tack or turn, down some associative creative dreamscape or unravelling of extensive reality that might not have been the main thread that you were following a minute ago.
it can be a problem if you really meant to pay attention to something and just could not avoid distraction or side trips, and so you might need training to refocus the mind, or just reduce frequency of psychedellic.
how do i refocus the mind? this is the main point of my concern.
I have tried numerous things to help me regain focus and none of them work, or they work only very briefly. these include meditation, reading goal setting books, etc.
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Limelight
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5873269 - 07/18/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well does anyone know how to fix this problem :x whatever it's caused by, i dont know, and that gets under my skin.
i think ill just try and get adderall
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5873366 - 07/18/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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a) don't get uptight relaxation is the base for concentration
b) foster interest in the object of attention. how?
well easy if you explore yoga or meditation, so you could do some meditation on a chakkra or on some part of the body while following the breath in and out,
first by relaxing generally and then by attending the part,(say the tip of the nose, or it could be where your thumb and finger connect- if they are lightly touching - just pick one point of focus and stay with that)
then after a few seconds, a tingle may be noticeable, this can be cultivated gently like the fanning of a tiny flame, mental energy can be fed into it with an openning and soft attitude.
in this way the area of concentration becomes the center of existence (even if it is someone or something else), and the tendency for the mind to wander is lessened.
this is what I might call creating interest, by your own effort. you can even make a teacher or speaker into a source of interest and pour your relaxed concentration into the area that they are speaking from.
this will also increase a sense of empathy as you gently tune into people as objects of attention.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5873413 - 07/18/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do have advice.
I strongly advise y'all to take a strong multivitamin/mineral supplement every day, as well as more than an ounce of fatty fish (salmon, herring, mackrel etc) daily. If you feel lucky you can add a daily supplement of Ginkgo Biloba. If your shopping kung fu is strong, you can get all this with the fish for way less than 1 dollar a day. I recommend this (ex the Ginkgo) to everyone regardless of their condition, and the people IRL who I recommended this and who followed up on it usually thanked me for the improvements they noticed a few months later.
Forget the nihilist mantras: if you take a high-dosed multivitamin/mineral supplement, it actually will work for you. A good example of such a regimen would be a product such as this, this one's $84 for a year or $42 if you economize. I myself am on a $125/year regimen, but then again I've had a heart attack to wake me up.
Ofcourse you need to optimize your nutrition and fluid intake, exercise and blablabla but popping a powerful multi and taking a bit of fatty fish does a LOT to improve your overall health, and will optimize the groundstate of your brain functioning.
We may debate until we're blue in the face but for all we know these concentration deficits may be the result of a lack of Omega 3 lipids (fish), micronutrient malnutrition (multi) or insufficent bloodsupply to the brain (ginkgo). It will only hurt your wallet if you try this, your body will cheer it.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Asante]
#5873434 - 07/18/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its really interesting that you posted this because my doctor recently recommended omega 3 fish oil .
ive been taking it for a week or so now, (for a different issue) and i have noticed a change regarding my health.
the only thing i dont like is that i have to take about 7 of them each day, and the pills are fucking huge.
i have no idea where to find either a higher concentration or a smaller pill size.
but nonetheless, i still take it. it cant hurt.
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Limelight
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Asante]
#5873464 - 07/18/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I do have advice.
I strongly advise y'all to take a strong multivitamin/mineral supplement every day, as well as more than an ounce of fatty fish (salmon, herring, mackrel etc) daily. If you feel lucky you can add a daily supplement of Ginkgo Biloba. If your shopping kung fu is strong, you can get all this with the fish for way less than 1 dollar a day. I recommend this (ex the Ginkgo) to everyone regardless of their condition, and the people IRL who I recommended this and who followed up on it usually thanked me for the improvements they noticed a few months later.
Forget the nihilist mantras: if you take a high-dosed multivitamin/mineral supplement, it actually will work for you. A good example of such a regimen would be a product such as this, this one's $84 for a year or $42 if you economize. I myself am on a $125/year regimen, but then again I've had a heart attack to wake me up.
Ofcourse you need to optimize your nutrition and fluid intake, exercise and blablabla but popping a powerful multi and taking a bit of fatty fish does a LOT to improve your overall health, and will optimize the groundstate of your brain functioning.
We may debate until we're blue in the face but for all we know these concentration deficits may be the result of a lack of Omega 3 lipids (fish), micronutrient malnutrition (multi) or insufficent bloodsupply to the brain (ginkgo). It will only hurt your wallet if you try this, your body will cheer it.
so if i bought that multi you mentioned in your post, some sort of omega 3 bottle, and ginkgo, it would make a noticable difference?
I mean.. after a week, do you REALLY think it would make me think faster and clearer and deeper?
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5873483 - 07/18/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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is there anything i have to look for when i buy the multi/ginkgo/omega-3?
im going to go to the healthfood store after work, and im sure they prolly have like 10 different kinds of each. im not sure whawt to pick.
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Rhysaboveit]
#5873516 - 07/18/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had these problems. Listening to someone talking then I suddenly realize that despite hearing everything they were saying I still have no idea what they're talking about. I've had the problems with expressing myself, and many more of the problems people have mentioned in this thread. When I first noticed it I thought I was losing my mind which really didn't make things any easier. Regardless, there's a few things I did that I found helped...
As mentioned, try taking a daily multi-vitamin... There's also many "brain power" style vitamins for memory and mental alertness. This didn't seem to solve the problem but I noticed a decrease in frequency and severity, I also take vitamin B complex supplements.
Other than that I noticed that anxiety, stress, or overloading of the senses seem to trigger it. When people talk to you you have to listen to what they're saying, hear it, interpret it, and if they've been talking for awhile or about something complicated your brain starts to get a little lost, jumbled, and just gradually stops following what they're saying. Look at your life, try to find what might be causing you to be so sensitive to overstimulation and stress, try to work it off by taking some time to just walk through nature and stare at the clouds or something...
Regardless, I know it's frustrating, especially that thinking on 1 level thing you mentioned... It's as if all your thoughts are incased in a big slippery glass ball. You can crawl around on the outside, and you can see inside, you just can't go into them and then you lose your footing trying to get in and fall off...
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Limelight
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: StickyWater]
#5873551 - 07/18/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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StickyWater said: I've had these problems. Listening to someone talking then I suddenly realize that despite hearing everything they were saying I still have no idea what they're talking about. I've had the problems with expressing myself, and many more of the problems people have mentioned in this thread. When I first noticed it I thought I was losing my mind which really didn't make things any easier. Regardless, there's a few things I did that I found helped...
As mentioned, try taking a daily multi-vitamin... There's also many "brain power" style vitamins for memory and mental alertness. This didn't seem to solve the problem but I noticed a decrease in frequency and severity, I also take vitamin B complex supplements.
Other than that I noticed that anxiety, stress, or overloading of the senses seem to trigger it. When people talk to you you have to listen to what they're saying, hear it, interpret it, and if they've been talking for awhile or about something complicated your brain starts to get a little lost, jumbled, and just gradually stops following what they're saying. Look at your life, try to find what might be causing you to be so sensitive to overstimulation and stress, try to work it off by taking some time to just walk through nature and stare at the clouds or something...
Regardless, I know it's frustrating, especially that thinking on 1 level thing you mentioned... It's as if all your thoughts are incased in a big slippery glass ball. You can crawl around on the outside, and you can see inside, you just can't go into them and then you lose your footing trying to get in and fall off...
thats great adviec. im glad im not alone. i wish i knew what originally caused it though thats been haunting me for a long time. i know it oculd be many things, or one thing, or maybe even just nothing really at all.. but it bothers me that i dont know HOW i originally got this in my past. ive always tried tot hink of what event caused it. the only thing i can come up with is going from private school to public school and having that be a shock.
what sorts of brain power vitamins work best?
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: Limelight]
#5875478 - 07/18/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, personally I think it's caused by just an overload of the senses through stress or otherwise. For me I figure it was the first large dose trip I took. it went well but regardless, being in control of 2 physical forms, one being your physical self and another being a manifestation of your own conciousness inside yourself and just suddenly looking around you and seeing that things look more like abstract shapes and constantly moving patterns of colour really does throw you off a bit. Afterwards I'd start spacing out whenever I tried doing anything that required much mental work (listening to lectures, reading, etc) And occasionally I'd just randomly get spaced out moments that would only last a few seconds.
I used Canadian Ginko Biloba and that seemed to work. I also spent a lot of time walking around outside and listening to music, just to give myself an opportunity to slow down and just forget about everything and just get lost in the amazement of all the edges, lines, shapes and patterns in plants, animals, clouds, etc). Just don't stress about it and know that it wont get worse unless you foccus on it, just accept it for the moment...
By the way, just saw A Scanner Darkley today as well, what did you think of it?
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Re: is there a connection with lsd/shrooms and mind wandering? [Re: StickyWater]
#5876276 - 07/19/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well personally i loved the movie WHILE i was watching it, it was really funny - but as mentioned before i was the only one out of like 7 people who didnt udnerstand it, so i felt stupid after it was over 
but yea, some parts were hilarious. i like the rotoscoping effect. the only thing i didnt like was some parts were hard to hear, and it was hard to differentiate between the quotes that you had to remember and just the ramblign nonsense.
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