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Invisibleblackdragon999
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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: Panoramix]
    #5871671 - 07/17/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

maybe I created myself and I can't remember because after I created my new body I destroyed my old one.


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OfflinePanoramix
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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5871835 - 07/18/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, I like that. Tasty logic, wraps itself up into a nice bite-sized bundle. I can find no fault with that reasoning.

The thread I resurrected that deals with the origin of god is titled something along the lines of 'Now I KNOW there must be a CREATOR(god)', it's a bit long, but there are some nice posts attempting to refute intelligent design in there, thought they may be up your alley, though certainly they don't skirt quite so close to solipsismie-nihilistic arguments as you were going on that other thread. In fact, some of them presuppose the very spiritual aspect to reality you were refuting in that thread you started. But yeah...


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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5871850 - 07/18/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The most interesting misconception about the Bible, IMO, is the idea of God's omnipotence. The Bible not state that God is omnipotent. That idea comes from Aristotle.


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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: Clean]
    #5872326 - 07/18/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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magine the power and wisedom they would gain through such existence? Wouldn't they be worthy of being called God?




IMO, Not if it is implied that anyone else is NOT an aspect of God - or Prime Source.

Any being, no matter how old and advanced, who claims to be the sole embodiment of Prime Source is committing a very grave act.

Ezekiel described them to us. Enoch had some things to say about them.
Ancient people across the globe have written about them.
Indeed they did come and say "We are Gods, worship us!"

There is no "God" but the Prime Source of creation, which everything is an aspect of. None can tower over nature.




And what is "prime source" ? Who ever said god is the prime source? God is a word we used to describe these beings, and that's the meaning of the original meaning of the word god.


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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: Panoramix]
    #5872328 - 07/18/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"In case we are talking about beings here, before the word God was used to describe these beings, did it have any other meaning? No, therefore if those are aliens, they ARE god."

Um, you're claiming YaWeH was the first God-concept to be thought up? Ha! He should get in line. There's many a deity older than he, and the term 'god' would've had plenty of meaning well before the writing of the source documents for Old Testament, when this hypothetical E.T.-cum-YWH was scampering around flooding things.




Not if you consider that even the early forms of religion worshiped the same set of beings or gods.
The first gods of sun and the more advanced ideas of Jehowah are probably the same god


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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: Silversoul]
    #5872329 - 07/18/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The most interesting misconception about the Bible, IMO, is the idea of God's omnipotence. The Bible not state that God is omnipotent. That idea comes from Aristotle.




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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5872365 - 07/18/06 04:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

there seem to be a lot of angels dancing on pins here but in answer to your question about the origins of hell, here goes.

Like most of these things, it started innocently enough from a misunderstood religious tradtion. The Hebrews believed that when you died you returned to the earth from whence you came - dust to dust. No happy ever after just burial in a pit (sheol) in the ground. This was a hard, pragmatic religion.

People who did not understand their religion thought that sheol was a place rather than grave, and like chinese whispers this place took on all sorts of attributes such as - it is dark and scary, volcanoes are hot so it must be hot down there too. If it is dark and scary and hot and you go there after you die it must be because you've been bad... and conversely if you are good you must go somewhere cool and happy and not scary - one instant dualistic monotheist religion!


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Re: to make a couple of things clearer [Re: Roker]
    #5872472 - 07/18/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

good point

The problem with that is that one of the greatest thing that people complain about christianity is hell and eternal damnation. That's not a fair judgement of this religion because neither did Hebrews nor did Jesus (the source of new testament teachings) ever say that there is an afterlife in form of hell.

The core belief and hope of christianity is to resurrect as Jesus did after death. That's what christians celebrate.
But it is very clearly shown that Jesus has risen from the grave, not as a spirit, but as a man of flesh and blood, he even showed his apostoles his wounds, specifically to show them that he is not a ghost or a vision, but it is really him in flesh.
Then he, with his resurrected body went into the heavens.
Resurrection is a physical thing, it has nothing to do with ghosts.

Now, I know that there is evidence of contrary in the alternative gospels (and other religions). I'm just saying that this evidence is NOT in the Bible, and many christian religions say that they follow the Bible. Well, the idea of hell and heaven (as a place where dead souls live) does not come from Bible in its current edition, but from other philosophies. they just accepted the idea of heaven and hell because it alows them more control over their "flock", and just sounds more promising.
In fact, in the Bible, the word heaven is used to describe sky and everything above, not some alternate dimension or whatever.

This is one important detail that everyone say it clashes with modern science, but that's just not true. Death is death.
Even Jesus said that the dead don't feel anything or know anything.

That doesn't mean the Bible doesn't give hope. It really makes no difference wheather you are conscious when you die, or someone brings you back to life in a thousand years. 1000 years in a dark grave would pass in a second anyway. It's the same thing from the perspective of a dead believer


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